Anti-Vale graffiti scribbled on rock cuts

[Machjo]

Here's another way of looking at this:

Since resources on crown lands are crown property, the government should sell them off to companies at the highest price possible so that the entire community can benefit from what is after all a community resource.

As for labour-management relations, just introduce co-determination legislation like in Germany so that they can discuss common goals peaceably rather than thugging around town.

 

[petros]

Sit tight, good things are coming for Sudbury. Now they can get wage parity with western and northern miners. Settling is coming.

If trends seen through the London Metal Exchange are to be believed, the price of nickel will sit at $9 a pound by 2011, and sink down further to $7.50 by 2015. However, Goldie said he isn't convinced prices will drop to that extent as he doesn't believe the world will find enough new deposits to resolve the growing shortages by then.

Here's another way of looking at this:

Since resources on crown lands are crown property, the government should sell them off to companies at the highest price possible so that the entire community can benefit from what is after all a community resource.

As for labour-management relations, just introduce co-determination legislation like in Germany so that they can discuss common goals peaceably rather than thugging around town.

They already do. The problem is royalty structures and reinvestment back into Canada from foreign operations.

 

[lone wolf]

Inco/CVRD/Vale is going to move operations to Brazil eventually. That's pretty well known. Nobody ever said Vale was a knight in shining armour. The mess they leave behind will be their legacy. Somewhere up above, I also claim one might think Vale workers would want to keep their jobs. It's not the Union's market any more. Vale is exempt from any Canadian contracts once it moves beyond the borders. I still have a hunch Vale was the brains behind the Steelworkers' Hall fire.

Ever seen what happens to a jumbo operator after a collapse?

Shyte happens, right? What is the risk?

 

[petros]

Inco/CVRD/Vale is going to move operations to Brazil eventually. That's pretty well known. Nobody ever said Vale was a knight in shining armour. The mess they leave behind will be their legacy. Somewhere up above, I also claim one might think Vale workers would want to keep their jobs. It's not the Union's market any more. Vale is exempt from any Canadian contracts once it moves beyond the borders. I still have a hunch Vale was the brains behind the Steelworkers' Hall fire.

Move to Brazil? And what? Deal with the strikers with guns that use them?

Unions and miners are global. USW 6500 Brazil fully supports the Sudbury strikers

 

[lone wolf]

Move to Brazil? And what? Deal with the strikers with guns that use them?

Unions and miners are global. USW 6500 Brazil fully supports the Sudbury strikers

...so are hired guns.

 

[Johnnny]

If unions would remember that a strike is a dispute between labour and the employer, not against the employer's customers, non union employees, or the general publlic, they might garner a lot more public support.

thats my biggest issue

It occurs to me that illnesses associated with the working environment in mines is wholly different than the illnesses associated with chronic alcoholism.

the air in the mines are cleaner than the air i breathe on the surface.... Thats what the mines boast.... You know how common cancer is in the population of sudbury that doesnt go underground? I bet its about the same as the miners, and it dont help that these guys drink like hell... Those arent eggs i smell thats the sulphur from the smelter......

quit bitching 6500 a geo tech cutting ore containing galena/sphalerite is tougher than you thugs, and they most of the time dont have the luxury of unions.... They breathe that air thats thick **** in the core shack, the mine air is not nearly anywhere as thick as the air in a core shack....

I think Johnny said his brother works for an electrical company and is contracted to Vale, or did I miss something. In any case, if he is not protected by the union, not a union member, and not doing replacement work for striking union members, doing the same job he was before, and recieves no benefit or protection by the union, he cannot be called a scab.

thats what im saying but these union thugs feel are so full of entitlement that when they dont get things there way they lash out at the community

i also think its funny that leo gerrard the USW 6500 leader is still living the good life, he only goes to camp once a week :lol:, only once :lol:.... Thats alot more than the dogs he is leading around :lol:

petros is talking about wages this and wages that, fact of the matter is vale ALREADY OFFERED better wages and better pension bonuses, and the UNION DECLINED IT TWICE...

That should tell you that this is more of a ego problem for the union, everyone in sudbury knows this

 

[petros]

petros is talking about wages this and wages that, fact of the matter is vale ALREADY OFFERED better wages and better pension bonuses, and the UNION DECLINED IT TWICE...

$50,000 difference between western cdn miners is a huge difference. It's about parity but I guess you don't seem to understand that. If Vale paid as much as other mines then there would be no issue would there?

quit bitching 6500 a geo tech cutting ore containing galena/sphalerite is tougher than you thugs, and they most of the time dont have the luxury of unions.... They breathe that air thats thick **** in the core shack, the mine air is not nearly anywhere as thick as the air in a core shack....

You have no clue....

 

[lone wolf]

I see union-busting.... What has Vale got to lose? In Brazil they have carbon credits - if oil in the Gulf takes a back seat - and they still own mineral rights in a country that most likely would call it a write-off. Clements pretty gave it all away. 6500? Do you want fries with that?

 

[Johnnny]

I want to see a link that shows the lung cancer rate of miners in sudbury compared to the people of the city of sudbury...

Times are changing, unions arent......

There were presents under the tree last christmas for the peopel who run the USW not the strikers though, talk about sheeple

petros your a crack head dont talk about what i dont know....

You think my brother is a scab which he isnt, hes just doing his job...
You thought creighton flin flon was in sudbury in a previous discussion which its not...

check out the blogs in the northern life and sudbury star, MY city hates this union bull****

You have no clue....

yea i know people who work in more dangerous work conditions that are non unionized. Those people are way tougher than these miners who made alot of money in the first place and want more more more, gimmie gimmie gimmie....

Your miner friends cant save a dime if there life depended on it........ They make alot in the first place but blow it all the time....

Dont use that if were done the city is done... They have been on strike for a year and the city is still operating

i have a super high chance of dieing in my job and im not unionized. I guess im tougher than unionized people......

 

[Risus]

I asked before is it the miners and the unions fauilt Indonesian pig nickle has flooded the market?
Yes or no?

You don't get it do you? Blame the unions for the high prices of local nickel (learn how to spell it...) because of their outrageous demands. If Indonesia or anyone else can supply it cheaper, look at the locals and blame them.

 

[TenPenny]

Vale isn't going to leave Canada. They might scale back Sudbury, but they sure aren't leaving Canada.

 

[lone wolf]

Vale isn't about nickel. Vale is about profit. Unions are not profitable. Environment is not profitable. Vale isn't going to leave Canada without leaving a huge mess behind them.

 

[petros]

You don't get it do you? Blame the unions for the high prices of local nickel (learn how to spell it...) because of their outrageous demands. If Indonesia or anyone else can supply it cheaper, look at the locals and blame them.

Another with no clue......

Vale isn't about nickel. Vale is about profit. Unions are not profitable. Environment is not profitable. Vale isn't going to leave Canada without leaving a huge mess behind them.

One more time. Would you have prefered lay offs doled out by Vale?

Yes or ****ing no?

 

[lone wolf]

Another with no clue......

One more time. Would you have prefered lay offs doled out by Vale?

Yes or ****ing no?

Lay-off means no wannabe gangster tactics ... and happen seasonally anyhow.

If you're so damned smart, why do you need a union?

 

[petros]

Lay-off means no wannabe gangster tactics ... and happen seasonally anyhow.

If you're so damned smart, why do you need a union?

No no no. This wouldn't have been seasonsal retrofit shut down lay offs. Would it have been better if Vale gave out lay off because of low market prices?

Yes or No?

 

[lone wolf]

No no no. This wouldn't have been seasonsal retrofit shut down lay offs. Would it have been better if Vale gave out lay off because of low market prices?

Yes or No?

For Vale? Yes

For the USW people who still have jobs? Yes

For security reasons? Yes

For the community? Yes

For 6500? No. (fewer pockets to live from)

Do you see a lot of thug behaviour about the closure of Xstrada's Kidd Met site?

 

[petros]

For Vale? Yes

For the USW people who still have jobs? Yes

For security reasons? Yes

For the community? Yes

For 6500? No. (fewer pockets to live from)

Do you see a lot of thug behaviour about the closure of Xstrada's Kidd Met site?

And those are the exact reasons Vale took advantage of the situation and won't give the ON miners parity with other provinces unit the pig nickel problem goes away. Even if the Union took a settlement that was already tabled nobody is going back to work anytime soon.


Why is it hard to understand that market is the problem during a recession?

 

[lone wolf]

And those are the exact reasons Vale took advantage of the situation and won't give the ON miners parity with other provinces unit the pig nickel problem goes away. Even if the Union took a settlement that was already tabled nobody is going back to work anytime soon.


Why is it hard to understand that market is the problem during a recession?

Pig nickel isn't the problem. You still need pure stuff to make it to spec. 6500 wants parity in a time when the markets are down. They refused concessions to keep their jobs - based on the fact Vale settled with its Brazilian workforce without concessions. Vale isn't going to budge either. They'd like things here to be the same as in Brazil. They would prefer to have all contract workers. Would 6500 people work for what a Brazilian worker earns? Neither of them can have it both ways. Vale can survive without Sudbury. The Sudbury Local can't survive without Vale.

Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[petros]

Pig nickel isn't the problem. You still need pure stuff to make it to spec. 6500 wants parity in a time when the markets are down. They refused concessions to keep their jobs - based on the fact Vale settled with its Brazilian workforce without concessions. Vale isn't going to budge either. They'd like things here to be the same as in Brazil. They would prefer to have all contract workers. Would 6500 people work for what a Brazilian worker earns? Neither of them can have it both ways. Vale can survive without Sudbury. The Sudbury Local can't survive without Vale.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Now you agree markets go down. Good to see you were paying attention yesterday. Now hopefully you'll catch on to how Vale is using the down turn as an excuse to shut down and blame the union by not giving parity.

Very smart. Vale's PR spin team did very well.

 

[lone wolf]

Now you agree markets go down. Good to see you were paying attention yesterday. Now hopefully you'll catch on to how Vale is using the down turn as an excuse to shut down and blame the union by not giving parity.

Very smart. Vale's PR spin team did very well.

When did I say markets didn't fluctuate? My bad for assuming it was common knowledge.

Like I said: If you're so damned smart, why do you need a union?

Do you know anything at all about Sudbury specifically ... or just all mine unions in general?