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petros

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Canadian mines are already very safe and there are very very very very very very very very few deaths from mining in sudbury over the last few years
What are the comparative cancer rates for Sudbury miners and then the rest of the city then compared to the national average?

Where do Vale profits go? What does Vale reinvest back into Canada for mining R&D?
 

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What are the comparative cancer rates for Sudbury miners and then the rest of the city then compared to the national average?
the majority are also cronic drinkers, if they cut down on that stuff cancer rates would go down....

Id say its not much different than people working in machine shops,
 

petros

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It sounds more like a jealousy issue than anything else.

Is it the union's fault you never pushed yourself harder through life to achieve more where you can see that being a miner is deserving of what they make in the world's most lucrative industry?

the majority are also cronic drinkers, if they cut down on that stuff cancer rates would go down....

Id say its not much different than people working in machine shops,
passing the buck are we? What are the rates? Show some facts.

Are machinists chronic drinkers too?
 

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petros no offence but last time i talked about sudbury mining operations you thought creighton flin flon was in sudbury

Your not here you dont know whats going on, you just here pro union stuff

they do nothing and make money

yes i am jealous i wish i could work 2 hrs a day and get paid for 8 really i wish i could.

My job as a geophysist is way more dangerous
 

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If workers were serious about equity in the workplace, they'd push for more work legislation for all rather than pit themselves against management all the time. Confrontationalism solves little if anything and merely poisons the work environment.
 

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If workers were serious about equity in the workplace, they'd push for more work legislation for all rather than pit themselves against management all the time. Confrontationalism solves little if anything and merely poisons the work environment.

damn right how the hell do you think i feel when they are harrsssing/threatening my family:angryfire::angryfire::angryfire:

petros seems to think my family should not do their jobs becuase a union is on strike...

You know how many friend i had at atlas copco that got laid off because of the strike. One of them has 3 kids and a house, he has had no work since last year and lives at his parents now with his family. Local 6500 doesnt care about people like them
 

petros

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those miners muck for 2 hours and hide in the lunch room, they brag about it
I take it you've never worked udergoround? If they mucked all day for less money when would the geologist, drillers and blasters have time before shift end? If you can't feel the ground shaking when walking through the parking lot 1/2 hr before your shift start you know there will be hell to pay from management.
 

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And Johnny does ahve a point about the alcohol. I'd like to see statistics on teetotaler miner death rates compared to drinking minor death rates, and then compare those to teetotalers among the rest of the population and drinkers among the rest of the population to be fair.

You can blame your work environment for certain medical ailments indeed, in which case the solution is not higher income but more safety gear to protect against those elements in the first place. If the only interest is raising wages, then clearly they're not serious about their health.

But you certainly cannot blame the environment for the worker's drinking, unless of course the employer tolerates alcohol consumption on the job?
 

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ive been undergound only once to check of the sublayer

ask the contractors who work there, the union culture has overriden anything else.... Sudbury operations arent your typical mining operation,

ask lonewolf he knows more than me and were on the same page

And Johnny does ahve a point about the alcohol. I'd like to see statistics on teetotaler miner death rates compared to drinking minor death rates, and then compare those to teetotalers among the rest of the population and drinkers among the rest of the population to be fair.

You can blame your work environment for certain medical ailments indeed, in which case the solution is not higher income but more safety gear to protect against those elements in the first place. If the only interest is raising wages, then clearly they're not serious about their health.

But you certainly cannot blame the environment for the worker's drinking, unless of course the employer tolerates alcohol consumption on the job?

the miners who brought me to the sublayer had beer guts the size of beach balls

i may sound like a punk sometimes but id never threaten you and your family, thats going to far
 

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damn right how the hell do you think i feel when they are harrsssing/threatening my family:angryfire::angryfire::angryfire:

petros seems to think my family should not do their jobs becuase a union is on strike...

You know how many friend i had at atlas copco that got laid off because of the strike. One of them has 3 kids and a house, he has had no work since last year and lives at his parents now with his family. Local 6500 doesnt care about people like them

Now if a union came up with a petition for me to sing to give to the government, I'd read that petition, consider it, and if it's fair I'd sing it, no problem.

But if that same union decides to declare war on the community, how am I supposed to believe that it's really looking out for the best interests of the community? Actions speak louder than words. As you said about your friend, and yourself. If you supported the strike, would they compensate you?It seems the union wants the community to support it, but it won't support the community. A little one-way, no?

Again, I'm all for improved legislation to promote more justice in the workplace. You won't hear any objection form me there. But from what you're describing, that union is out for its own interests only, essentially making it just as capitalist as management, ironically enough.
 

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damn right how the hell do you think i feel when they are harrsssing/threatening my family:angryfire::angryfire::angryfire:

petros seems to think my family should not do their jobs becuase a union is on strike...

You know how many friend i had at atlas copco that got laid off because of the strike. One of them has 3 kids and a house, he has had no work since last year and lives at his parents now with his family. Local 6500 doesnt care about people like them
A scab is a scab. If your debt load is too much that you can't afford to take it on the chin for a year then you've really got to think your life through because an injury can and will do that to all of us at anytime. Then what? Blame the unuion too?
 

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But from what you're describing, that union is out for its own interests only, essentially making it just as capitalist as management, ironically enough.

read the blogs on the northern life about the strike, you will see the community is fed up with union 6500
 

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Why should contractors be forced out of work so some above-ground miner can have his nickel bonus? It's not about what Inco/Vale gives back to the community - it's about big babies and their toyboxes.
 

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i may sound like a punk sometimes but id never threaten you and your family, thats going to far

Agreed. There is a civilized way to express one's ideas. This makes them come across like savages.

By the way, Johnny, have you considered calling the police, and see if they could trace the harassing calls? If so, you might have some legal grounds there. You might be able to make their lives very miserable without actually having to lift so much as one fist. Sometimes the best revenge is to let the law grill them while you smile at them and wish them the best of luck.
 

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ive been undergound only once to check of the sublayer

ask the contractors who work there, the union culture has overriden anything else.... Sudbury operations arent your typical mining operation,

ask lonewolf he knows more than me and were on the same page



the miners who brought me to the sublayer had beer guts the size of beach balls

i may sound like a punk sometimes but id never threaten you and your family, thats going to far
So you admit to having no real direct experience just hearsay from non-union subs like TMCC and the likes?

Your family member never realized he would be called a scab for being a scab? That wasn't well thought out was it?
 

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Agreed. There is a civilized way to express one's ideas. This makes them come across like savages.

imagine how i feel, im on the other side of the continent and i am afriad my little brother could be jumped by union thugs at any time. Hes a big kid, and you know how mobs like ganging up on the big boys.....If anyone hurts my family id throw my life away to get rrevenge
 

Machjo

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A scab is a scab. If your debt load is too much that you can't afford to take it on the chin for a year then you've really got to think your life through because an injury can and will do that to all of us at anytime. Then what? Blame the unuion too?

What would be wrong for the union to propose legislation to the government that would ensure workplace equity rather than terrorize the town?
 

petros

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Agreed. There is a civilized way to express one's ideas. This makes them come across like savages.

By the way, Johnny, have you considered calling the police, and see if they could trace the harassing calls? If so, you might have some legal grounds there. You might be able to make their lives very miserable without actually having to lift so much as one fist. Sometimes the best revenge is to let the law grill them while you smile at them and wish them the best of luck.
Good luck with going to union cops who may have personal issues against the scabs too.

They aren't called brotherhoods for nothing. Stabbing your brothers in the back is not a good thing in a small city.