Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

[CDNBear]

Funny isn't it? Palestine got their "reaction" out of Israel and rather than man-up on the issue, they hide behind the skirts of women and children and behind teh guise of "humanitarian aid.

Yep, then they cry when they get exactly what they asked for.

It is nothing short of a miracle that Israel hasn't bombed Palestine back into the stone-age where their culture desires to exist.

It's called restraint, but tell that to the mouth breathers, they'll start throwing all sorts of small events at you.

Completely ignoring more brutal humanitarian crisis's around the globe.

 

[captain morgan]

Yep, then they cry when they get exactly what they asked for.

It defies logic doesn't it? The masses of people pissing and moaning about a reaction to a provocation by a gaggle of idiots.

It's called restraint, but tell that to the mouth breathers, they'll start throwing all sorts of small events at you. Completely ignoring more brutal humanitarian crisis's around the globe.

I notice that Selin and MHz are conspicuously silent on the thousands of missiles that are randomly shot into Israel by Hamas.

In my mind, maybe it's time that Israel lifted their naval blockade with a promise that for every missile that is shot from Palestine will be returned (at random) one-for-one by Israel.

 

[CDNBear]

It defies logic doesn't it? The masses of people pissing and moaning about a reaction to a provocation by a gaggle of idiots.

Couldn't say it better myself.

I notice that Selin and MHz are conspicuously silent on the thousands of missiles that are randomly shot into Israel by Hamas.

As are several others, that usually dismiss it as the Israeli's attacking themselves to justify attacking Palestine, lol.

In my mind, maybe it's time that Israel lifted their naval blockade with a promise that for every missile that is shot from Palestine will be returned (at random) one-for-one by Israel.

They pretty much already do that, other then the lifted blockade.

I'd support them lifting the blockade, but indiscriminate retaliation ends in civilian deaths. Not the deaths of those that launch the rockets.

I say lift the blockades, allow free flow of goods into Gaza, although I have no idea what kind of punitive measures Israel should take, if they are attacked at this point. Every thing they do seems to be wrong.

 

[MHz]

It was declared upon them. Look, I really don't think you should be commenting on things you obviously have limited knowledge about.

The more I get to know you the easier that task gets, if you promote it as a fact it needs to be triple checked to verify the truthfulness of the statements.

Hold on, didn't you just allude to no defacto state of war?

Well, let me count the days. Israel opens it's checkpoint to more aid to Gaza for a few days before the expiration of a 'cease-fire agreement' that was for a period of 6 months. Before Israel would commit to any continuation the unloaded on Gaza for about 22 days in a operation called 'cast lead'. Killing some 1400 police and civilians, maiming many 1,000's more and terrifying the whole 1.5 million who were locked in.

With two ceasefires in place it would seem the war was before that time. Going back further bring us to May of 1948 when Israel declared itself a Nation with a name after a brutal campaign to rid the area that was to be called Israel of Arabs. Some 400 villages and close to 750,000 people were either killed of made into refugees. Something Germans did in WWII and they were hung from the necks until dead and that treatment was made into a promise for anybody who would do the same.
During those early stages there were Israeli forces that came in the middle of the night and rather than use firearms inside a house about 10 very big guys with pickax handles (same as the ship had in that recent boarding, odd how it changed over the years from being a defensive tool to being a weapon) would enter and beat the people inside, if they lived they ran away. That is how they met their new Arab neighbors'.

 

[captain morgan]

I'd support them lifting the blockade, but indiscriminate retaliation ends in civilian deaths. Not the deaths of those that launch the rockets. I say lift the blockades, allow free flow of goods into Gaza, although I have no idea what kind of punitive measures Israel should take, if they are attacked at this point. Every thing they do seems to be wrong.

Make no mistake, I am not promoting the wanton destruction of property and life, however, Hamas is riding on both sides of the fence in pretending to be a peace-loving authority and later promoting and organizing the terrorist activities that they deny any part of (despite their documented policy of eradicating Jews from the face of the Earth).

Regardless, this conflict will press on ad infinitum until such time that the actual citizens of Palestine and Israel force their respective gvts to respond accordingly.

The message here is that outside intervention rarely works - the change must come from within.

 

[MHz]

I say lift the blockades, allow free flow of goods into Gaza, although I have no idea what kind of punitive measures Israel should take, if they are attacked at this point. Every thing they do seems to be wrong.

After they have already been lifted, what a FT you are.

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I notice that Selin and MHz are conspicuously silent on the thousands of missiles that are randomly shot into Israel by Hamas.heir naval blockade with a promise that for every missile that is shot from Palestine will be returned (at random) one-for-one by

Ask and you shall receive.
YouTube - Israel admits: "No Hamas rockets were fired during ceasefire"

 

[CDNBear]

The more I get to know you the easier that task gets, if you promote it as a fact it needs to be triple checked to verify the truthfulness of the statements.

But of course, you've been so bombarded by BS for so long, both willfully and by association, everything factual completely flies in the face of your ideology. Which you must find odd, confusing and so on. Hence why you have argued the origins of the Bible and the Quran, what the Israeli had for weapons at the beginning of all this and so on.

You have a convoluted sense of history, you're fully immersed in rhetoric, BS and lies, you likely wouldn't recognize the truth if it fell from the sky, landed on your face and started to wiggle.

I don't communicate with you to try and educate you, that is blatantly obvious to anyone, to be a complete impossibility.

I converse with you here, because your ignorance, stupidity and naive BS is entertaining, full stop.

Well, let me count the days. Israel opens it's checkpoint to more aid to Gaza for a few days before the expiration of a 'cease-fire agreement' that was for a period of 6 months. Before Israel would commit to any continuation the unloaded on Gaza for about 22 days in a operation called 'cast lead'. Killing some 1400 police and civilians, maiming many 1,000's more and terrifying the whole 1.5 million who were locked in.

With two ceasefires in place it would seem the war was before that time. Going back further bring us to May of 1948 when Israel declared itself a Nation with a name after a brutal campaign to rid the area that was to be called Israel of Arabs. Some 400 villages and close to 750,000 people were either killed of made into refugees. Something Germans did in WWII and they were hung from the necks until dead and that treatment was made into a promise for anybody who would do the same.
During those early stages there were Israeli forces that came in the middle of the night and rather than use firearms inside a house about 10 very big guys with pickax handles (same as the ship had in that recent boarding, odd how it changed over the years from being a defensive tool to being a weapon) would enter and beat the people inside, if they lived they ran away. That is how they met their new Arab neighbors'.

More BS meant to obfuscate the topic...

Can you cite the laws that Israel supposedly broke yet?

 

[MHz]

..... eradicating Jews from the face of the Earth).

You mean like having teams wandering the globe offing important Jewish people. I wonder where they would get the forged Israeli passports from?

 

[Avro]

Make no mistake, I am not promoting the wanton destruction of property and life, however, Hamas is riding on both sides of the fence in pretending to be a peace-loving authority and later promoting and organizing the terrorist activities that they deny any part of (despite their documented policy of eradicating Jews from the face of the Earth).

Regardless, this conflict will press on ad infinitum until such time that the actual citizens of Palestine and Israel force their respective gvts to respond accordingly.

The message here is that outside intervention rarely works - the change must come from within.

Well said....blame lays at the feet of both parties.

More of this sort of balanced talk would do the issue well in Isreal and Gaza.

A success for non-violence in Gaza?

 

[CDNBear]

Make no mistake, I am not promoting the wanton destruction of property and life, however, Hamas is riding on both sides of the fence in pretending to be a peace-loving authority and later promoting and organizing the terrorist activities that they deny any part of (despite their documented policy of eradicating Jews from the face of the Earth).

I knew you weren't promoting that, sorry if my post made it seem that way.

Regardless, this conflict will press on ad infinitum until such time that the actual citizens of Palestine and Israel force their respective gvts to respond accordingly.

Agreed.

The message here is that outside intervention rarely works - the change must come from within.

Agreed.

After they have already been lifted, what a FT you are.

The only fukktards are ones that don't know the difference between lifting and eased. The blockade is physically still there. They've eased their restriction, moron.

Not to mention, a fukktard that can take a comment out of context and try and do something stupid with it and end up looking like the fukktard they really are...

Good work mhz.

Ask and you shall receive.
YouTube - Israel admits: "No Hamas rockets were fired during ceasefire"

More BS to obfuscate the topic, still can't cite the laws Israel supposedly broke eh?

 

[captain morgan]

Well said....blame lays at the feet of both parties.

More of this sort of balanced talk would do the issue well in Isreal and Gaza.

A success for non-violence in Gaza?

Well put Avro.... The people (read: those losing their lives and living in the war zones) have to affect the change.

Sadly, politics are getting in the way of any form of resolution or progress and in the meantime, lives are either lost or irrevocably damaged for ever... F*ckin' politicos, eh?

Pathetic

 

[AnnaG]

Well put Avro.... The people (read: those losing their lives and living in the war zones) have to affect the change.

Sadly, politics are getting in the way of any form of resolution or progress and in the meantime, lives are either lost or irrevocably damaged for ever... F*ckin' politicos, eh?

Pathetic

That's exactly what it is. Les says that they get too much sun in the ME and that's why they're all screwloose there. He has a point, I think.

 

[selin]

"Turkish TV pictures taken on board the Turkish ship leading the flotilla appeared to show Israeli soldiers fighting to control passengers.
GAZA AID CONVOY

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• Consists of three cargo ships and three passenger ships
• Casualties reported on the Mavi Marmara passenger ferry
• Mavi Marmara is one of three ships provided by Insani Yardim Vakfi (IHH), a Turkish aid organisation with links to the Turkish government
• Other ships are organised by the Free Gaza Movement, an international coalition of activist groups
• Up to 600 mostly Turkish passengers, tonnes of cement and at least two journalists on board the Mavi Marmara

In pictures: Aid ship stormedReaction to Gaza aid ship deathsGuide: Gaza under blockadeHague 'deplores Gaza ship deaths'
The footage showed a number of people, apparently injured, lying on the ground. A woman was seen holding a blood-stained stretcher.
Al-Jazeera TV reported from the same ship that Israeli navy forces had opened fire and boarded the vessel, wounding the captain.
The Al-Jazeera broadcast ended with a voice shouting in Hebrew, saying: "Everybody shut up!"
Israel's deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said his country "regrets any loss of life and did everything to avoid this outcome".
He accused the convoy of a "premeditated and outrageous provocation", describing the flotilla as an "armada of hate".
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas condemned Israel's actions, saying it had committed a massacre, while Hamas said Israel had committed a "great crime and a huge violation of international law".
Turkey, whose nationals comprised the majority of those on board, accused Israel of "targeting innocent civilians".
Turkey was Israel's closest Muslim ally but relations have deteriorated over the past few years.


In Turkey, thousands of protesters demonstrated against Israel in Istanbul, while several countries have summoned Israeli ambassadors to seek an explanation as to what happened.
Greece has withdrawn from joint military exercises with Israel in protest at the raid on the flotilla.
Israel had repeatedly said it would stop the boats, calling the campaign a "provocation intended to delegitimise Israel".
Israel says it allows about 15,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid into Gaza every week.
But the UN says this is less than a quarter of what is needed."

 

[CDNBear]

Well put Avro.... The people (read: those losing their lives and living in the war zones) have to affect the change.

Sadly, politics are getting in the way of any form of resolution or progress and in the meantime, lives are either lost or irrevocably damaged for ever... F*ckin' politicos, eh?

Pathetic

This is also compounded by the defacto support those that would perpetuate the violence get from useful idiots like the ones that defend the stupidity here, or board flotilla's simply designed to incite a negative reaction.

 

[MHz]

That's exactly what it is. Les says that they get too much sun in the ME and that's why they're all screwloose there. He has a point, I think.

Do you have a medical study that says Vitamin D is bad for you?

 

[Avro]

Well put Avro.... The people (read: those losing their lives and living in the war zones) have to affect the change.

Sadly, politics are getting in the way of any form of resolution or progress and in the meantime, lives are either lost or irrevocably damaged for ever... F*ckin' politicos, eh?

Pathetic

Politics and religion....both get in the way fo pure logic and science.

I hate them both.:angryfire:.....politics and religion that is.;-)

 

[selin]

Statement from the Turkish foreign ministry
The interception on the convoy is unacceptable ... Israel will have to bear the consequences of its actions.
We strongly condemn it and await an immediate explanation.
By targeting innocent civilians, Israel has once again clearly displayed that does not value human lives and peaceful initiatives.

We forcefully condemn these inhumane activities by Israel.

The incident that occurred in open sea which is a gross breach of international law, could cause irrevocable consequences for our relations.

We wish to express our condolences to the bereaved families of the deceased, and swift recovery to the wounded.
Statement from the White House
US President Barack Obama "expressed deep regret at the loss of life in today's incident, and concern for the wounded" in a phone call to Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister.
"The president also expressed the importance of learning all the facts and circumstances around this morning's tragic events as soon as possible."
Ismail Haniya, Hamas leader in Gaza
The government of Hamas call on Palestinians to carry out a total strike in Gaza and West Bank to show solidarity and protest the Israeli crimes.

We request emergency session for the UN Security Council, Arab League and Islamic Conference and we demand the Palestinian Authority to stop all forms of negotiations.

The government decided to grant those on board Freedom ships the medal of honour.

We appeal to the UN to withdraw from the Quartet.

The government has decided to name the May 31 "the freedom day". We demand the Arab League to carry out all decisions to stop the siege of Gaza.

We say to those heroes that the essence of your honourable blood has reached us before the aids you are carrying to us.

We salute everyone on board the Freedom ships.
Salam Fayad, Palestinian prime minister
Israel went beyond all that could be expected.

This [attack] is a transgression against all international covenants and norms and it must be confronted by all international forums.
Statement from the Palestinian presidency
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas condemns the crime perpetrated by the occupation authorities against international solidarity activists aboard the Freedom Flotilla.

The Palestinian leadership is closely following the developments and the President calls on the United Nations to confront Israel, which is disregarding all international laws and norms.

The attack on the Flotilla is an attack against humanity.

This incident will have grave consequences in the region and the world.
Statement from the Arab League
Secretary General Amr Moussa has called for an emergency meeting at the League's headquarters in Cairo on June 1.

The attack clearly shows Israel's aggressive nature and its disrespect to international and humanitarian rules and laws.

We call on the international community to take immediate steps against Israel, a rogue state that practices all forms of terrorism and piracy, and instigates tension and instability in the region and in the middle of the Mediterranean sea.
Statement from Chinese foreign ministry
China condemned the raid and urged a "quick response" from the UN Security Council.
"We were shocked by the Israeli naval attack on the Turkish flotilla carrying humanitarian goods to Gaza which led to severe casualties and condemn it," Ma Zhaoxu, a foreign ministry spokesman, said.
In New York, a Chinese diplomat said Beijing was prepared to back quick council action on the raid, and urged that Israel's blockade on Gaza be lifted.
"We support a quick response by the security council," the diplomat, Yang Tao, was quoted as saying by China's state Xinhua news agency.
Jens Stoltenberg, Norwegian prime minister
A military attack against civilian activists is totally unacceptable.

We are shocked at the news that Israeli naval forces have attacked ships bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza.

An independent international investigation into what has taken place, must be opened as soon as possible.

Norway's Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre will raise this issue with the UN Secretary General today.
Statement from Brazil's foreign ministry
Brazil condemns, in vehement terms, the Israeli action, given that there was no justification for a military intervention on a peaceful convoy of a strictly humanitarian character.
Brazil considers that the incident should be the object of an independent investigation that should fully elucidate the facts in the light of human rights and international law.
Saad Hariri, Lebanese prime minister
The Israeli attack on the aid convoy is a dangerous and crazy step that will exacerbate tensions in the region.

Lebanon firmly denounces this attack and calls on the international community, notably major powers ... to take action in order to end this continued violation of human rights and threat to international peace.
Spokesperson for EU's foreign policy chief
High Representative Catherine Ashton expresses her deep regret at the news of loss of life and violence and extends her sympathies to families of the dead and wounded.

On behalf of the European Union she demands a full enquiry about the circumstances in which this happened.

The continued policy of closure is unacceptable and politically counter-productive. She calls for an immediate, sustained and unconditional opening of the crossing for the flow of humanitarian aid, commercial goods and persons to and from Gaza.
Ambassadors from the 27 EU countries
The EU condemns the use of violence that has produced a high number of victims among the members of the flottilla and demands an immediate, full and impartial inquiry into the events and the circumstances surrounding it.
EU does not accept the continued policy of closure, it is unacceptable and politically counterproductive, we need to urgently achieve a durable solution to the situation in Gaza.
Guido Westerwelle, German foreign minister
I am deeply concerned about the events last night in the waters off Gaza ... These are disconcerting initial reports.

The foreign ministry is now working to establish the full facts of what happened.
Diego Lopez Garrido, Spain's secretary of state for EU affairs
The Israeli storming of a flotilla of activist ships heading for Gaza is unacceptable and very serious event.

We have have summoned the Israeli ambassador [to Spain] to give us explanations and, of course, we will investigate and will start handling this matter immediately.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iranian president
[The attack was an] inhuman Zionist regime action against Gazans.
Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, Emir of Qatar
The Israeli act of piracy against Arab and foreign activists who tried to break an non humanitarian unjust siege imposed on our fellow citizens in Gaza Strip, for no reason but they exercised their democratic right of choice.

The crimes purportrated this morning against the civilians supporting the Palestinians remind us of the unjust siege the open bleeding wound in the Strip; and all those who preach freedom, justice and democracy are required now to move and act to break this siege so the bloods of those free men do not go down the drains.

This is also message addressed to the Arab states who were brought to the moment of justice by those free men on board.
Micheal Martin, Irish foreign minister
I am gravely concerned at the reports emerging of the storming of a Turkish ship this morning by Israeli commandos.

My department is seeking to establish the full facts of what has occurred and confirm the safety of the eight Irish nationals who sailed with the
Turkish-led flotilla.

The reports of up to 15 people killed and 50 injured, if confirmed, would constitute a totally unacceptable response by the Israeli military to what was a humanitarian mission attempting to deliver much needed supplies to the people of Gaza.
Statement from Britain's Stop The War Coalition
The action should see Israel condemned under international law.

Israel has repeatedly flouted law and public opinion worldwide in its treatment of the Palestinians.

The decision by Israel to attack the flotilla with such loss of human life shows it is arrogant and deadly intent in opposing any aid to the Palestinians.
Navi Pillay, UN high commissioner for human rights
I am shocked by reports that humanitarian aid was met with violence early this morning reportedly causing death and injury as the boat convoy approached the Gaza coast.

The blockade keeps undermining human rights on a daily basis.

The current situation falls far short of what is necessary for the population to lead normal and dignified lives.

I condemn once again the indiscriminate firing of rockets from Gaza into Israel.
Franco Frattini, Italian foreign minister
Italy deplores the loss of civilian life in Israel's raid on a flotilla of aid ships bound for Gaza.
Statement from the UN Relief and Works Agency
We are shocked by reports of killings and injuries of people on board boats carrying supplies for Gaza, apparently in international waters.
Such tragedies are entirely avoidable if Israel heeds the repeated calls of the international community to end its counterproductive and unacceptable blockade of Gaza.
William Hague, British foreign minister
I deplore the loss of life during the interception of the Gaza Flotilla. Our embassy is in urgent contact with the Israeli government.

We are asking for more information and urgent access to any UK nationals involved.
We have consistently advised against attempting to access Gaza in this way, because of the risks involved.

But at the same time, there is a clear need for Israel to act with restraint and in line with international obligations.

It will be important to establish the facts about this incident, and especially whether enough was done to prevent deaths and injuries.
This news underlines the need to lift the restrictions on access to Gaza, in line with UN Security Council resolution (UNSCR) 1860. The closure is unacceptable and counter-productive.
There can be no better response from the international community to this tragedy than to achieve urgently a durable resolution to the Gaza crisis.
I call on the government of Israel to open the crossings to allow unfettered access for aid to Gaza, and address the serious concerns about the deterioration in the humanitarian and economic situation and about the effect on a generation of young Palestinians.

 

[AnnaG]

Do you have a medical study that says Vitamin D is bad for you?

Here's a site that tells you the mild effects of Vit. D toxicity:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vitamin-d-toxicity/AN02008
The nasty version of the effects is much worse.

 

[captain morgan]

This is also compounded by the defacto support those that would perpetuate the violence get from useful idiots like the ones that defend the stupidity here, or board flotilla's simply designed to incite a negative reaction.

Yep... These blind idiots don't have enough grey matter upstairs to understand that they are nothing more than gas on a fire. But ofcourse, they are fighting the good fight.

There's probably a reasonable argument to be made that these folks will never be fulfilled or enjoy a sense of personal satisfaction unless there is a cause to be ignited... Even if they have to fabricate the cause.

 

[sombraa110]

Here's a site that tells you the mild effects of Vit. D toxicity:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vitamin-d-toxicity/AN02008
The nasty version of the effects is much worse.

Mmmm i think you need to keep the posts related to the original topic