None is more merciful than God Most Gracious

[MHz]

Haven't seen it, and won't, doesn't interest me. It bills itself as "This Series Explores the Revelations in World Religions Regarding the Arrivals of the Antichrist Dajjal, Imam Al-Mahdi, and The Second Coming of The Christ. " I've seen enough stuff like that, and studied enough other things, to know it's all made up.

Then why comment at all? You should keep up with the changes. the USSR is not the Anti-Christ now , all Muslims are according to the vid 'Waiting for Armageddon'. Your personal view doesn't mean very much but somebody speaking that represents 50M North American Christians and is promoting the pre-emptive strike, that God would want all Christians to participate in, against Muslim dominated countries that surround Israel. Those kinds of speeches should be kept up with. Especially since many say the German people were asleep at the wheel in the 30's.

Before the coming of some important prophet or apostle like Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and Al-Mahdi ... there will be many predictions and expectations and narrations and what some call it prophecies about the expected one.

In the Bible there is an escalation in war (the most obvious sign) , when it comes to accepting the Bible's version of the days just prior to Christ arriving as the Messiah with the power of a King rather than the power of high Priest. Step one is killing all opposition in the world. Since war was predicted there is no way to tell which escalation is the final one without accepting some things the Bible points to, including angelic beings as part of those last days.

There will be mixture of lies and truths of course: some fabrication +imagination ..etc.

That would have to be better than the lies that are being promoted today, the promotion of Islam as being the new enemy isn't something the Bible promotes, it promotes a world-wide deception so that could be the demonizing of Muslims that is the Christian blindness. (in that 'they' would promote war instead of promoting a peaceful solution that ends up benefiting both parties, like liberating $500 trillion from the Rothschild coffers. Please notice that without their willingness to fund war projects they would not happen. Until the real angelic beings start being the #1 curse on mankind we have one that we do have the power to confront openly, but since we don't and we are nothing but mice to them, i wouldn't hold my breath that awe are going to be any smarter when things get to be at there next to as bad as it can possibly get.

So when Jesus was about to come (I mean his first coming), John Baptist his cousin the son of Prophet Zachariah started to invite people to repent and follow the Commandments of God.

At that time, people were expecting three persons the Christ, Prophet Mohammed and the Al-Mahdi: Elia of the last days whose coming was expected through narrations and prophecies;

so they came to John and said: "You are speaking with authority! So are you the Messieh (the Christ)?"
He said: No.
They said: "Are you the Prophet?"
He said: No.
They said: "Are you Elia (who had died some thousand years ago?)"
He said: "No"
They said: "What are you then?"
He said: "I am a cry in the wilderness inviting you to repent, and I prepare the way for the Christ: the Messieh"

So there were many prophecies about Jesus: some truths mixed with many lies; and when he came some proved to be true and others false. But Jesus himself proved to be true.

According to which Book? I know the Bible has much to say about the last few years before Christ returns (on which there is a lot said) The Church is in a mess as to what is promoted and what the texts actually say. Two of the 3 vids I mentioned I can comment on with a degree of confidence that I can find Scriptural support for my view. I don't know the inner words of the Quran, but I have you and I have a starting point (the Arrivals vid)

The same about Prophet Mohammed and his sign: the "seal of prophecy" on his right shoulder. So many things proved true and other prophecies predicting his coming were proved false. But Prophet Mohammed himself proved to be true.

From vid 35 and on there are some that cover the future and how that should unfold.
Parts 46 & 47 in particular.

Now Al-Mahdi also: there are many "prophecies" concerning his advent and the advent of the Messieh; certainly some are true and some are fabricated, but none can assert that the Mahdi is a fabrication according to the much many prohecies telling about him.

I can't say I was impressed with the part on Jesus (pt 35). True there is the old Horus story but when it went into the 'real story' of Jesus it didn't cover the story the way the NT describes it which leaves the door wide open for me to challenge which version is the more 'accurate'. Perhaps some other time as this is mostly about the various versions of the future.

I have not understood your question, MHz. Better explain it in summary

Just above I mentioned two parts as be 'versions' of the end days, are they accurate to how you see things playing out? Christian versions are many and varied so already they are questionable as to which one is the accurate one, and there can only be one correct version.

 

[eanassir]

In the Bible there is an escalation in war (the most obvious sign)

Do you know the rosary and its beads: the beads are silked through a thread; then when this thread is cut: the beads will fall rapidly one after the other: this is the escalation of signs: the signs come rapidly one after another; and people will be alert to the advent of the concerned prophet or apostle.

It means the signs will succeed each other in a systematized way: one after another like the beads of the rosary.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/103411844/Muslim_Rosary/showimage.html

This is only to beautify the post; I don't confirm the rosary; it may be sometimes a kind of show and hypocrisy.​

According to which Book?

This is in John's Gospel MoNoon edition, chapter 1: 19-25
(19 This is John's testimony, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?"
20 He confessed, and didn't deny, but he confessed, "I am not the Christ."
21 They asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" He answered, "No."
22 They said therefore to him, "Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?"
23 He said, "I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, 'Make straight the way of the Lord,' as Isaiah the prophet said."
24 The ones who had been sent were from the Pharisees.
25 They asked him, "Why then do you baptize, if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?" ) ​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

...some fabrication +imagination...

I think that covers all of it.

Then why comment at all?

To make the point that it's all made up.

You should keep up with the changes.

I'm well aware of the loons among us. I don't need to know all the details of what they're all thinking to know they're dangerous and deluded fools.

 

[eanassir]

I think that covers all of it.

You may think as you like; but certainly not all of such prophecies are fabrications.

 

[AnnaG]

Oh, I don’t know talloola. Sure he talks nonsense, he blindly believes in what Koran says and he dogmatically ignores any other viewpoint.

But he is polite, he doesn’t call anybody names, does not resort to personal insults and he never loses his temper. He talks his nonsense in a civil, polite manner, which is more than can be said about some posters here.

Funny that you'd be the one saying that. lmao
The "some posters", I guess, would be the rabid extremist religious right-wing conservatives? roflmao

So that one might die innocent before we are consumed with sin. IN a world where we have created the disease of cancer (our sinful construct) it is merrily the affliction. Cancer is your own body killing you, ask yourself.

So this merciful god subjects innocent people to a life of sickness just to save them from being sinners? That's pretty twisted.

Cancer is actually the unchecked reproduction of abnormal cells in your body. Your body cannot deal with them. Did you get your medical information from the Bible?

God-fearing is the basis of wisdom.
God's mercy and grace is tremendous: He makes His sun shine for the believer and the disbeliever --> this is in the life of the World.

God's mercy [or God's love as you call it; and I shall use this word from now on according to your language expression; we call it God's mercy and it is also God's love] in the afterlife is exclusive for the monotheists: the devoted to God alone; His mercy will not reach the idolaters and associaters who assign equals or peers or sons to God.

From what I have seen so far, I'll choose Aphrodite or Brighid for a merciful, kind god over Allah or Jehovah.

Anyone wanting a decent, clear, and straightforward guide to life might want to read "The Four Hills of Life" by Peacock and Wisuri.

You may think as you like; but certainly not all of such prophecies are fabrications.

Well, they can't be based upon fact. To be a fact, something has to exist. Prophecies are products of imagination and projection, not fact.

 

[Spade]

F Prophecies are products of imagination and projection, not fact.

I knew you were going to say that!

 

[AnnaG]

I knew you were going to say that!

Is that a fact?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You may think as you like; but certainly not all of such prophecies are fabrications.

You think not? Prophecy's record of accuracy is pretty dismal, around 0% right. Prophecies are always ambiguous, enigmatic statements that can be interpreted many ways. They get torqued around to point to some event only after it's happened, before that their meaning was unknown. That's not very useful as a guide to the future, and it's fundamentally dishonest.

 

[Cliffy]

You think not? Prophecy's record of accuracy is pretty dismal, around 0% right. Prophecies are always ambiguous, enigmatic statements that can be interpreted many ways. They get torqued around to point to some event only after it's happened, before that their meaning was unknown. That's not very useful as a guide to the future, and it's fundamentally dishonest.

I predict that you will wake up tomorrow (with a .0005% change of dying before.)
How accurate do you think that might be?;-)

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I predict that you will wake up tomorrow (with a .0005% change of dying before.)
How accurate do you think that might be?;-)

If I never post here again, you'll know you were wrong. :smile:

 

[AnnaG]

Anyway, there are definitely more merciful gods around than Allah; like the 3 I mentioned.

 

[eanassir]

You think not? Prophecy's record of accuracy is pretty dismal, around 0% right. Prophecies are always ambiguous, enigmatic statements that can be interpreted many ways. They get torqued around to point to some event only after it's happened, before that their meaning was unknown. That's not very useful as a guide to the future, and it's fundamentally dishonest.

You incline to accept falsehood rather than the truth.

This is indicated because you left all my post and clinged to a phrase: "there is some fabrication and lies" and you said this is to all.

Of course there is ambiguity in some prophecies; but there are prophecies and some of them turn to be true and fulfilled.

Like what: the seal of prophecy on the right shoulder of Prophet Mohammed: Salman Farisi came and wanted to see this, and the prophet show his shoulder to Salman Farisi.

Like the mole on the right cheek of Abu Abd- Allah; I was surprised why he inserted his picture exposing his right cheek (while he did not like to boast or to be plauded);
المتشابه من القرآن 1

(See the picture after the list of Contents)

then I knew it was to show his mark: the mole on his right cheek, in addition to some 16 or 17 other sings written in the old books about the interpreter of the Quran: his broad smooth forehead (without defect), the shape like Israeli figure but the complexion is Arabic, the nose straight ...etc in addition to other marks: not short not tall but medium, his way of talking, and other sings of his dress and his title : Abu Abd- Allah; so all these and other signs are fulfilled.

And Abu Abd-Allah said to me: "I have the mole on my right shoulder and the mole on my right thigh; do you want to see that?"

I was ashamed and said: "No, Abu Abd-Allah; no need; I am convinced that you are the promised interpreter."

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You incline to accept falsehood rather than the truth.

Bull****. You believe you know the truth based on your understanding of a 1400-year old book that has almost nothing to do with reality. You are seriously deluded, there is no evidence at all that justifies your position, it is justified instead by a lack of evidence and a presumption of the virtue of belief in the absence of evidence. I believe you to be entirely, totally, and utterly indefensibly wrong, and I don't take any of your pronouncements seriously. You have no comprehension at all of what's demonstrably true and what's not.

 

[MHz]

If I never post here again, you'll know you were wrong. :smile:

Wouldn't that make the 'long-shot' correct? Remaining alive and not posting is not a very scientific way to prove that you are still alive.

 

[MHz]

You think not? Prophecy's record of accuracy is pretty dismal, around 0% right. Prophecies are always ambiguous, enigmatic statements that can be interpreted many ways. They get torqued around to point to some event only after it's happened, before that their meaning was unknown. That's not very useful as a guide to the future, and it's fundamentally dishonest.

I could give you a link to a site that will list 100 prophecies in the OT that were fulfilled. Some being more important than others. It it is true the OT is vague about some, with good reason. The Messiah coming to establish 'who His people are' was not real blatant' and only become clear once the NT was written. Not being able to tell the ending because some pages are missing is not the same as being clueless about the message once all the pages are there. That comes from being lazy, the doctrine settled on is based on 'being close' rather than being 'perfect'.

 

[MHz]

Do you know the rosary and its beads: the beads are silked through a thread; then when this thread is cut: the beads will fall rapidly one after the other: this is the escalation of signs: the signs come rapidly one after another; and people will be alert to the advent of the concerned prophet or apostle.

It means the signs will succeed each other in a systematized way: one after another like the beads of the rosary.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/103411844/Muslim_Rosary/showimage.html

This is only to beautify the post; I don't confirm the rosary; it may be sometimes a kind of show and hypocrisy.​

A rosary is an icon, not a part of worship as described in the NT but not something by itself that would bring much condemnation, Combined with many other 'objects' it is something that will displease God. That 30,000 children that die daily from hunger while the 'Christian Nations' throw away much food as waste is going to make God more than a little angry just because it is that way by choices the rich Christians have consciously made. If that is how closely God will 'filter' His people then the rest of the Gentiles will also come under judgment in a similar fashion. All Gentiles, Atheists and all Religions are judged as individuals, a Muslim (or whoever) is doing Jesus's Laws naturally will be rewarded as if they were doing then out of obedience to Him so their 'faith' is shown by their works, faith in Christ will increase the same as it does for the Christians who are obedient because of their faith, they will be given physical proof.
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[L Gilbert]

How do you get mercy out of something that doesn't even exist? All this crap about gods was born inside people's superstitious little heads. Anything else about them is already on paper, and those scribblings on paper are your real gods.

 

[Hawkins]

If you break the Law, you'll be sentenced, whether you understand Law or not, whether you read it or not, whether you ever study law itself or not. That's the case.

Similarly God's Law is embedded in your heart and soul. If you offended His Law, you'll be judged and put to jail. If you sinned you'll be driven out of His kingdom, the same as how Adam sinned and being driven out of Eden, and same as how Lucifer the archangel sinned and being driven out of heaven.

God is to save souls instead of bodies here on earth. Here on earth humans are basically not in His Kingdom. That's why the myseries (you die once anyway). And everyone requires to pass the final judgment in order to return to God and His kingdom in heaven. And God foresaw that you won't stand a chance in the judgment. Jesus Christ is thus sent and a new covenant is in place which allows you to escape from the Judgment by Law.

If you refuse to take the new covenant, and when you are judged to be sinful, a permanent separation from God will be called. It is said that His sheep will take the new covenant. It is also said that those who aren't His sheep will continue to sin against His Law without repentance.

Moreover, it is said in the Book of Revelation that Satan (who is said to be an ex-archangel) is an accuser accussing people of sinning in order to keep them in jail with him. So good luck, either to find yourself a good lawyer or prepare yourself for the defense.

Revelation 12:10
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down."

Alternatively, take the Second Covenant as a gift such that the final Judgment by Law can be avoided.

I base my belief on both faith and evidence God gives me. Others may base their beliefs (yes beliefs) on the lack of evidence. Yet the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. They thus base their beliefs on a fallacy.

Finally, even when I have truly met with God, there's not any efficient way for such a kind of truth to be conveyed among humans. Humans still need faith to either believe or to disbelieve the existence of God. The more scientific answer for God's existence is "I don't know", instead of "He doesn't exist" (this latter answer requires faith).

 

[eanassir]

Bull****. You believe you know the truth based on your understanding of a 1400-year old book that has almost nothing to do with reality. You are seriously deluded, there is no evidence at all that justifies your position, it is justified instead by a lack of evidence and a presumption of the virtue of belief in the absence of evidence. I believe you to be entirely, totally, and utterly indefensibly wrong, and I don't take any of your pronouncements seriously. You have no comprehension at all of what's demonstrably true and what's not.

All this is non-sense and only some decoration of words. It is useless to speak with you about any similar subjects, because will repeat your insisting words incessantly.

All you say: a book of 1400 years, lack of evidence, ...etc.

I have to say to you: all your words are only fallacy and deviation from the truth to falsehood, and I think you will not be guided unless God Himself wants that. It is something of pride and insisting on position not more and has no relation to science or logic.

How do you get mercy out of something that doesn't even exist? All this crap about gods was born inside people's superstitious little heads. Anything else about them is already on paper, and those scribblings on paper are your real gods.

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If it was to me: I would take from you every blessing and grace: your health, your happiness, your power, your daily provision, your mind and thinking, your hearing and sight, your walking and movement, …etc. and cast you into every sort of punishment, immediately without hesitation: but that is not up to me; it is up to the Most Gracious Whose design is to give his blessings to all people including the disbelievers in this World.​

As God said in the Quran 2: 15​

اللّهُ يَسْتَهْزِئُ بِهِمْ وَيَمُدُّهُمْ فِي طُغْيَانِهِمْ يَعْمَهُونَ ..الخ​

The explanation:
(God [Himself] does mock them, offering them [wealth] to let them wander on blindly with their arrogance.​

Such are they who exchange error instead of guidance, so their commerce does not prosper, neither are they guided.)​

www.quran-ayat.com​

If that is how closely God will 'filter' His people then the rest of the Gentiles will also come under judgment in a similar fashion. All Gentiles, Atheists and all Religions are judged as individuals, a Muslim (or whoever) is doing Jesus's Laws naturally will be rewarded as if they were doing then out of obedience to Him so their 'faith' is shown by their works, faith in Christ will increase the same as it does for the Christians who are obedient because of their faith, they will be given physical proof.
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The difference between me and you (in doctrines) is that you consider everything in relation to Jesus, while I should consider everything in relation to God Almighty.

You have the enthusiasm about Jesus: this is the fatal mistake: If it was not Jesus, God could send anyone else: but you think Jesus is a must and a very essential part of the universe and life: this is wrong: God is the Essential and the Must.

If God makes Jesus and his mother and all who are on earth to die, who can prevent Him from killing them all? and infact He killed them all and spare no man alive on earth.

As in the Quran 5: 17

لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَآلُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ قُلْ فَمَن يَمْلِكُ مِنَ اللّهِ شَيْئًا إِنْ أَرَادَ أَن يُهْلِكَ الْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَأُمَّهُ وَمَن فِي الأَرْضِ جَمِيعًا وَلِلّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَاء وَاللّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ​

The explanation:
(They have disbelieved, those who say: "God is [Jesus] Christ, son of Mary"; ​

Say [Mohammed to them]: "Who, then, can prevent God [from doing any harm] should He will to kill [Jesus] Christ, son of Mary and his mother and those in the earth altogether!?" ​

The sovereignty, of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them belongs to God; He creates whatever He likes [: Jesus and others]; ​

surely, God is All-Able to do anything.)​

www.quran-ayat.com​

So you will not be saved by exaggerating about Jesus: because Jesus design is that people be servants of God not servants of the Christ.

If God please, I may translate "The Gospel and the Quran" written in Arabic by Abu Abd-Allah - salam be to him.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

It is useless to speak with you ...

Well, you're finally right about something, though for the wrong reasons. There are few things in this life that I find as offensive as the arrogant judgmental certainty of the proselytizing true believer. You cannot even conceive of the possibility that you might be wrong, it's just deny, deny, deny, in the face of all evidence and reason, and you can offer nothing in support of your position but the presumed authority of a text from a superstitious, pre-scientific and largely pre-literate age. You will continue to understand less than nothing as long as you believe the Quran's claims trump science and reason.