Obama has sold out American Air Defense

Machjo

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You know what. If other countries just relied on the almost-new military equipment the US considered to be junk, our military forces would be no more than five years behind the US' militarily, but at a fraction of the cost owing to the bargains we'd get as the US sells off perfectly good equipment at bargain rates on at the world garage sale.

Seriously, if you could have a military force only five years behind the US one technologically but at a fraction of the price, that would be a damn good deal.
 
ironsides

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Machjo said:
Ah, yes, materialism at its best. I'm sue we all know a neighbour or two who'll sell his computer off every year for the newest, most up to date model available. I know one who's gone through at least thirty motorcycles in his life so far, at his own admission. We can only imagine how much debt these guys carry.


But when you apply that to a government, God help the nation it governs.You think computers and motorcycles are expensive?imagine scrapping perfectly functional fighter aircraft bought just a few years earlier because some newer better model just came out.

Ah, fiscal conservatism, an unknown concept in the US it would seem. And that will soon be your wort enemy. How would the US Marine Corps dig the US government out of a Greek-style crisis? What? Plunder and pillage another country? Well, if an army is all you have left, and it's the most powerful army in the world, you can imagine how dangerous such a government could be. Why go though all the austerity measures when you can just conquer another country and get them to pay. Let's hope it never gets to that, and that's why I'd be all for Canada slapping some economic sense into the US' head ASAP, for our own good as well as theirs.
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From what I have been reading lately, the U.S.M.C. just might be the last defense the American people will have. Funny you mentioned them. But back to topic, the U.S. will never be in fiscal position that Greece is, for one we do not guarantee anyone except congress the right to retire at age 55 with a full salary and health benefits. The 1000 point market drop was just a BIG whoops, teach someone not to put a "B" instead of a "M" after selling stocks. Secondly we have a much more diverse economy, we will be just fine. I would be more concerned with the E.U. that Europe put together, that is folding like a deck of cards. Germany the only smart country over there wants out now. 600 billion Eruos is a lot of money to save Greece, is it worth it?
 
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ironsides said:
From what I have been reading lately, the U.S.M.C. just might be the last defense the American people will have. Funny you mentioned them. But back to topic, the U.S. will never be in fiscal position that Greece is, for one we do not guarantee anyone except congress the right to retire at age 55 with a full salary and health benefits. The 1000 point market drop was just a BIG whoops, teach someone not to put a "B" instead of a "M" after selling stocks. Secondly we have a much more diverse economy, we will be just fine. I would be more concerned with the E.U. that Europe put together, that is folding like a deck of cards. Germany the only smart country over there wants out now. 600 billion Eruos is a lot of money to save Greece, is it worth it?
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:lol:

You're kidding right?
 
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No, he's right; despite the mile-high piles of bs in the US system, its infrastructure is vastly superior to every other country on Earth (even the combined economies of the central EU states are barely a rival)--comparing it to Greece is naive. The case of Greece is one of a broken state trying to build itself up using non-existent wealth, via a delusional neo-liberal method that regimes like that of the US insist on but do not apply to themselves.

"From what I have been reading lately, the U.S.M.C. just might be the last defense the American people will have."

Now he's kidding...right?
 
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barney said:
No, he's right; despite the mile-high piles of bs in the US system, its infrastructure is vastly superior to every other country on Earth (even the combined economies of the central EU states are barely a rival)--comparing it to Greece is naive. The case of Greece is one of a broken state trying to build itself up using non-existent wealth, via a delusional neo-liberal method that regimes like that of the US insist on but do not apply to themselves.

"From what I have been reading lately, the U.S.M.C. just might be the last defense the American people will have."

Now he's kidding...right?
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Now you're kidding.:roll:
 
DurkaDurka

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ironsides said:
Drones are pretty good and cheap for surprise ground work. Wonder when the drone fighter will become active?
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I don't think the US air superiority is going to be challenged anytime soon. Even if you relied on F16-F18's until "drone fighters" became reality, you would still have a formidable air force.
 
Liberalman

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At least the Obama government is honest where they told the world exactly how many nuclear weapons America has and where they are located.
 
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Guess Obama screwed us again by selling us a bill of goods that the F-35 would be almost as good as the F-22. By cutting the F-22 budget and substituting it for the F-35 which is an inferior plane all around, Obama has put America's future in jeopardy.
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Obama screwed you again on the F 35? Who was the commander in 2001?

The only way he is screwing you is by not over riding the Pentagon and cancelling it.




Time to Cancel the F 35


The DOD’s Director of Operational Test and Evaluation (OTE), J. Michael Gilmore, has recently released his assessment of the F-35 JSF, and the DOD has also released the marks given to the plane by its test pilots. These are all F grades.

In the plane’s cockpit, visibility to the rear is poor (practically nonexistent), visibility with the JSF’s HMD helmet is also disastrously poor, and just recently, the engine suffered a turbine crack.

The DOTE and test pilots have written that as a result, the F-35 will be outclassed in air combat everytime because of poor visibility for the pilot (i.e. the pilot will have good visibility only straight ahead). Even vision to the sides will be poor. As a result, the plane will succumb in air to air combat (at least in Within Visual Range combat) everytime, for all-around vision is a non-negotiable requirement for this regime of combat. In simple English, F-35 pilots won’t be able to see what’s around them, only what’s in front of them.

This adds to the F-35′s many other design flaws:

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Time to cancel the F-35





October 31, 2001, Wednesday


The Pentagon's decision to buy a new generation of stealthy fighters from Lockheed Martin can be a good deal for the military and taxpayers alike, even though total costs could run to $200 billion over the next few decades. Economies of scale and design are concepts not usually associated with mammoth Pentagon purchases. The joint strike fighter program, intended to produce more than 3,000 planes at the relatively modest price of $38 million each, may turn out to be a happy exception.


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Smart Shopping by the Pentagon - NYTimes.com



The contract for SDD was awarded on 26 October 2001 to Lockheed Martin, whose X-35 beat the Boeing X-32. Although both aircraft met or exceeded requirements, the X-35 design was considered to have less risk and more growth potential.The designation of the new fighter as "F-35" is out-of-sequence with standard DoD aircraft numbering, by which it should have been "F-24". It came as a surprise even to Lockheed, which had been referring to the aircraft in-house by this expected designation.


Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



 
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