Arizona's Immigration Law

[JLM]

Just in case no on in this thread has posted it yet, I will.

"The crime rate in Arizona in 2008 was the lowest it has been in four decades. In the past decade, as the number of illegal immigrants in the state grew rapidly, the violent crime rate dropped by 23 percent, the property crime rate by 28 percent. (You can check out the DoJ figures here.)"


Misguided Fears of Crime Fuel Arizona Immigration Law | Cato @ Liberty

That is not at all surprising given the drastic changes to the Phoenix prison system over the past few years. I just wish all jurisdictions would adopt the same policy.

Joe Arpaio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[gopher]

Terry Goddard Leads Jan Brewer In Arizona Gov's Race: Hispanic Voters Flocking To Democratic Candidate

' Terry Goddard Leads Jan Brewer In Arizona Gov's Race: Hispanic Voters Flocking To Democratic Candidate



State Attorney General Terry Goddard (D) leads Republican incumbent Gov. Jan Brewer in Arizona's 2010 gubernatorial election, according to a new survey from Public Policy Polling released on Tuesday.
The poll finds Goddard ahead of Brewer 47 percent to 44 percent in what is becoming an increasingly competitive match-up. An earlier poll from several weeks ago found the candidates to be locked in a tight contest, highlighting a dramatic shift in the race since last fall when the Arizona governor held a 10-point lead over her Democratic challenger.

Hispanic voters also appear to be flocking to Goddard -- his support among that group has more than doubled since September. Hispanics prefer Goddard over Brewer by a 71 percent to 25 percent margin, according to the poll.
The new poll comes in the aftermath of Brewer's decision to enact a controversial immigration bill into state law making it a crime to be in the country illegally. An excerpt from the poll analysis provided by PPP:

Where Brewer was getting only 59% of the Republican vote in our last poll, she's now at 73%. But Goddard has seen a similar improvement in his own party, improving from 77% of the Democratic vote to 88%. The main reason for the overall tightening is that where Brewer trailed Goddard by 12 points with independents previously, that's now just a 2 point deficit.
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On the bright side for Brewer, the latest polling data suggests that the Governor's handling of immigration issues has given her a much-needed boost among Republican voters amid a crowded primary race for the GOP nomination for Arizona governor.

 

[Icarus27k]

That is not at all surprising given the drastic changes to the Phoenix prison system over the past few years. I just wish all jurisdictions would adopt the same policy.

Joe Arpaio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That's just Maricopa County, Arizona. It's one county in one state. And yet crime in Arizona and other border states, California, New Mexico, and Texas, are also down even at a time when illigeal immigration increased.

I don't see much of Maricopa County's prison system having an influence.

 

[JLM]

That's just Maricopa County, Arizona. It's one county in one state. And yet crime in Arizona and other border states, California, New Mexico, and Texas, are also down even at a time when illigeal immigration increased.

I don't see much of Maricopa County's prison system having an influence.

Except that Maricopa County has almost 2/3 of the population of the entire state.

 

[Icarus27k]

It's more like 60% of the population of Arizona. Still, my point is there. I don't see that much of an influence from the Maricopa County's prison system on the decreased crime rates, both statewide and in the border states.

 

[JLM]

It's more like 60% of the population of Arizona. Still, my point is there. I don't see that much of an influence from the Maricopa County's prison system on the decreased crime rates, both statewide and in the border states.

OK, if you want to split hairs.

 

[CDNBear]

I don't think we have such a law in Canada.

Wouldn't matter if we did, we're talking about Arizona.

 

[JLM]

Wouldn't matter if we did, we're talking about Arizona.

Yeah, not all countries have exactly the same laws............:smile::smile:

 

[CDNBear]

Yeah, not all countries have exactly the same laws............:smile::smile:

Or politicians. Canadian Conservatives are Democrats, which is why the US will never invade Canada. They have no need of another state filled with 33 million Democrats, lol.

 

[ironsides]

Canada wouldn't stand a chance with the border problems we have. You would be a Spanish speaking country within two years.

Here ya go, knock yourself out become a expert on immigration.

What is a Green Card?
Before the September 11 terrorist attacks, the requirement to carry one's Green Card at all times was not strictly enforced when traveling within the United ...
www.usimmigrationsupport.org/what-is-a-green-card.html



What is a Permanent Resident Card? Before the terrorist attacks of September 11 2001, the requirement to carry the Permanent Resident Card at all times was not strictly enforced. ...
www.usimmigrationsupport.org/permanent-resident-card.html



What is an Alien Registration Card? Unlike United States citizens who are not required to carry an identification ... residents must carry their Alien Registration Card with them at all times. ...
www.usimmigrationsupport.org/alienregistration-card.html

 

[Liberalman]

We have to remember that Arizona needs the illegals because they provide cheap homecare to the large population of seniors that settle that state on a yearly bases.

No American citizen would lower themselves to those type of jobs.

Years back when they gave amnesty to the illegals who became legal citizens they all quit their jobs to get a better job because they could.

With the minimum wage laws the senior can't afford homecare to pay for a legal citizen

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Looks to me like law-abiding Arizonans should be in favour of even more immigration. A few hundred thousand more illegals should drop the crime rate to zero.

But I am sure you know how prejudice, racism works, Bar. If a white man commits crime, a criminal has committed a crime. If an illegal commits crime, an illegal has committed crime, and that proves that most illegals are criminals.

 

[CDNBear]

But I am sure you know how prejudice, racism works, Bar. If a white man commits crime, a criminal has committed a crime. If an illegal commits crime, an illegal has committed crime, and that proves that most illegals are criminals.

Do you have any idea how absurd that statement is?

An illegal by definition is a criminal. Hence all illegals ARE criminals...

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Canada wouldn't stand a chance with the border problems we have. You would be a Spanish speaking country within two years.

There is no doubt you have a huge illegal immigration problem, ironsides. I have said before this that USA should do something about it, I think you people are crazy to let in so many illegal aliens. If businesses cannot survive without the labour provided by the illegals, then the employers must be given some legal means to import workers. But it is crazy to admit millions of illegals to your country.

However, what Arizona is doing is not going to stop the flow of illegals. All Arizona has done is it has made the legal Hispanics mad at Arizona and at Republican Party big time. Republicans party already had bad relationship with Hispanics; there is plenty of bad blood between them. This is going to make it worse. It wouldn’t surprise me if this legislation increases the chances of people like Harry Reid to get reelected (I understand Reid has a large Hispanic constituency).

I think this was a stupid move from immigration point of view and from politics point of view. The cure here is worse than the disease.

 

[CDNBear]

While garnering 70% of the populations support!

Who the hell cares what the legal Immigrants think...oh wait...some of them are among that 70%!!!

 

[Ron in Regina]

OK....nobody else seems to have asked this question, so I'm going to.

For those that oppose Arizona's new law to curb illegal immigration,
do you have an alternate suggestion to the problem?

Keep in mind that if the Federal Government (whom apparently holds
the responsibility for this issue) had a working alternative already, then
this new law in Arizona would never have come into play.

The border in question between the USA & Mexico is 3,169 km (1,969 miles),
in length, making 12-20ft walls manned 24/7/365 impractical at best. In some
of the heavier traffic areas these walls exist (like this Beach in Tijuana):

.....but the cost of building, maintaining, and manning these walls with observers
makes them impractical beyond being placed in some of the heavier trafficked
areas. The following paragraph (& picture above) I've pulled from the following
Link: Mexico ? United States border - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The U.S.–Mexico border has the highest number of both legal and illegal crossings
of any land border in the world except for the Canada – United States border. The
border is guarded by more than seventeen thousand border patrol agents, however
they only have "effective control" of less than 700 miles of the 1,954 miles of total
border. So again.....

For those that oppose Arizona's new law to curb illegal immigration,
do you have an alternate suggestion to the problem? 8O

 

[ironsides]

But I am sure you know how prejudice, racism works, Bar. If a white man commits crime, a criminal has committed a crime. If an illegal commits crime, an illegal has committed crime, and that proves that most illegals are criminals.

You were wrong about the law. and now you bring up race. That is a Liberal tactic when their backs are to the wall, especially when the hispanics are the fastest growing ethnic group in Arizona.

 

[CDNBear]

do you have an alternate suggestion to the problem?

How about a more simpler question, like a basis in law to oppose it?

 

[gerryh]

why not just borrow or buy some of those cool sniper rifles that the brits have and take out anyone that "looks" like they don't belong. Won't be like yer killin mericans, and if ya happen to get the odd citizen, no biggie, collateral damage.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You were wrong about the law. and now you bring up race. That is a Liberal tactic when their backs are to the wall, especially when the hispanics are the fastest growing ethnic group in Arizona.

Liberal back is against the wall? Surely you jest. Republicans have given a gift to Democrats; they have made Hispanics mad all over the nation. This law may just rile up Hispanics enough to come out and vote in the November election (which they otherwise wouldn’t have).

I suspect this is going to help many Democrats nationwide, those who have a large Hispanic constituency (like Harry Reid). McCain himself may have some difficulty winning his seat (assuming he doesn’t lose in the primary to the teabagger). As gopher pointed out, the Arizona Republican governor is behind in polls, the Democrat opponent is leading.

If you think Democrats are worried as a result of this law, you are seriously mistaken. It is the Republicans who are worried; many national Republican figures have already distanced themselves from this law.

For a change, Republicans are not united on the issue, they are not all reading from the official copybook.