Obama has sold out American Air Defense
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They actually say that the F-35 still would have been the most superior plane in the US arsenal...save for the F-22.
Obama probably had friends/Democrat congressmen involved in the F-35 Program and it would be a benefit to their districts.
He's got to join the US Navy to try to become a Navy SEAL. Then if he gets washed out he'll be just another Squid in a bar telling everyone he's a Navy Seal.
Do you mean arm all our borders with S-500 air defense sheild and then go on vacation for the next 20 years?
That sort of Russian hardware. The good news for Canada is if the threat is more than 500K from our border we ain't coming to help NATO
BTW you can probably buy 20 high powered drones for long range attacks. First strike from the US will come from ICBM's with a small yeild steerable warheads. So why but manned aircraft that are first line fighters when cargo craft could launch drones near the actual battleground. Seems like it;s trying to get rid of old school inventory more than 'helping modernize our forces'.
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Only by doing what I mentioned, unless the Canadian Military requests your admission to the program.
So in a war between Canada and the US who would he be fight for and if the US is the answer shouldn't he supply his family as hostages to the US Gov as a sign of faith that he is not a 'spy'? Leaving them here would make them be rounded up for soup kitchen duty in Baffin Island.
At least they are affordable up here, you are a living example of a test subject of the drugs that never made it to market. Another Agent Orange Popsicle or did you prefer the DDT fog? Stupid question I agree. The US Military would just drop him in the ocean before that event made the news. Worse yet, more friendly fire incidents involving only Canadians.
Russia is a mess and China is still quite backward (by the time it can even count as real competition to the US--assuming it ever gets there--both the F-35 and the F-22 will likely have been superseded by something even more advanced). Some of Russia's new fighters are pretty advanced especially in thrust-vectoring, but missile and stealth tech make this somewhat irrelevant compared to the latest US fighters. The Eurofighter is the closest rival to the F-22 and the EU theoretically represents the closest competitor to the US, but a confrontation is just not realistic for what should be obvious reasons.
Suffice to say that if there were ever to be a confrontation between US/Russia/China (unlikely considering all their economic inter-dependency), it's not all going to come down to those 200 F-22s or the F-35s or even the thousands of other still highly effective aircraft the US has at its disposal (putting aside that only the US can effectively maintain and arm such a huge air force). If it's some kind of coalition between major states to contain US aggression or something, then either the US sphere will just collapse taking the US economy with it or it's time to the say hello to Dr. Strangelove. (Not to mention that the Russians/Chinese/whatever would have to be insanely suicidal to even consider a move like that.)
Just ask yourself: when was the last time the US made war on a developed state?
As for pinning it on Obama; it doesn't really matter that much who's in office, as these programs are at the behest of the defence industry--which carries more than just a substantial amount of weight in the US--and it's really just a matter of signing off on it at a politically appropriate time.
Oh and of course the program's inefficient. But then so was the F-22 program and the Comanche and so on and so forth--all major defence industries are (nature of the beast). The point is that it's feeding America's top industry, and the F-35 is next on the menu. So unless you want to debate the legitimacy of pouring billions into defence for the sake of impoverished enemies while millions of Americans live in poverty, then I really don't see that this is that big a deal worth all the attention.
So many people are directly or indirectly invested in the aerospace/defence industry that specific people benefiting from it isn't saying much; this is pretty much always the case in every defence budget--but not limited to defence--under every administration. The F-35 program was massive and employed thousands all over the US, so of course it's going to be a big political deal in affected districts.
From what little I know of aeronautical engineering, the separate mechanical lift fan may cause problems down the line and makes it potentially unreliable in the conflict zone (i.e. one lacking adequate airfields where the F-35's V/STOL capability would supposedly be indispensable, as a supersonic replacement for the Harrier in that role). The Boeing prototype seemed sturdier...regardless of the Basking shark look.
Maybe the CF will buy the thing; we aren't as finicky about appearance as you yanks...you know, in preparation for the next 1812 and all that lol....oh right, I forgot we spent all our money buying those Globemasters from you at top dollar. :roll:
Yup. Another thread on how he failed the military even though his defense budget is over $600 billion.
Pathetic, as usual.
Pathetic, as usual.
Overwhelmed? In what theatre of combat? Does the US have plans to invade China or Russia? These nations certainly have no plans to attack the US. Opposition to the cancellation of the F22 program probably has much more to do with military-industrial complex maintaining its share of the tax dollar than any real threat. You have to realize that so far as defence spending is concerned the US outspends China and Russia by more than five to one.
Oh don't get me worng. Awarding contracts to districts that support you is part of the game. I am not faulting Obama for reviving the F-35. The F-35 Program was squashed under the Bush Administration when it was beat out by the F-22. Even though it was beat out by the superior fighter, the F-35 still out performs every other aircraft except the F-22.
So to have F-35's in the aresenal isn't neccessarily a bad thing.
Nobody said he's failed the military. He's actually been pretty good to the military thus far.
Quit your whinning.
Exactly. They had the F-14, F-15, F-16, and F-18 all in operation at one time.
And one of the other posters was right...having an advanced VSTOL fighter may not be a bad thing to have.
Those were the good days. I am still trying to figure out why the A-10 contract was terminated, that still is the best ground attack aircraft we have. Noisy sucker though. Wish we had them altogether again now that it looks like N. Korea may start something.
Wish we had them altogether again now that it looks like N. Korea may start something.
Those were the good days. I am still trying to figure out why the A-10 contract was terminated, that still is the best ground attack aircraft we have. Noisy sucker though.
Because of the increased role and armament of attack helicopters like the Apache and newer Cobras. That's why the A-10 was scrubbed eventually.
They still have A-10 reserve units.