Car smoking ban carrying children

[CDNBear]

By the time I was 18, I had to turn my head to hear properly. My right ear is so scarred from ruptured ear drums that I have significant troubles hearing. The infections that caused it stopped finally when I was 16 years old and mom made Dad stop smoking in the house. Research has since proven that smoking in the presence of children inflames Eustachian tubes and increases infections.

Smoking in the presence of children is a very direct violation of their right to health. I find it distressing that our provinces have recognized that fact as it applies to waitresses and strangers in a public building, but, not when it comes to our children.

That's great Karrie, neither one of my sons ever experienced that. That's not to negate the reality of the matter. It's to highlight that not every child is adversely affected.

both. so why pretend one issue should remain if the other can't be dealt with?

I'm not, I'm saying that you can not focus on one group, without balance. You are acting in breach of the charter in so doing, hence and I'll say it again, this charge is easily beaten. Therefore making it a waste of time and money to the taxpayers.

Then why not just change the law for minors? We already prevent them from smoking unitl they are 16 why not do the same for second hand smoke?

Go ahead. While you're at it, make sure that anything taught to minors is not adversely negative towards society.

Am I the only one that can get past emotion, rhetoric and easily manipulated stats, and sees the slippery slope here?

Avro, what do you think of the Patriot Act?

 

[earth_as_one]

You can't ban tobacco completely. Prohibition failed. Get a grip. They are doing a great job banning BC Bud.

Those who want a Final Solution here on the tobacco issue seem a litlle too close to the real Nazis. Less and less people smoke, but that is not good enough for them.

They should pull an NRA and lay off a few people to show how successful they are and show they are still based in reality. And it is a historical fact that the top Nazis like Hitler and company were obssessed about their health and bodies.

I support an individual adult's right to soft recreational drugs as long as they aren't harming anyone else directly. Feel free to drink alcohol, but don't drink and drive. Marijauna should be controlled/taxed like alcohol.

While tobacco products don't affect judgement like marijuana and alcohol, they are addictive and carcinogenic. Feel free to smoke your brains out, just don't force others to share your bad habits involuntarily because its an inconvenience for you.

 

[CDNBear]

I own three restaurants.....I never spent a dime on all that crap. I saw it coming and just banned smoking in all of them.

That's you. How many restaurants were told they could install these special rooms, only to have them made illegal within a year?

All that fear mongering by my peers about it being the end of their buisness was BS....buisness didn't change and the places are cleaner for it.

That doesn't change the fact that they were out of pocket. And many businesses did suffer, at the onset.

Now you can't even smoke under an awning. This is just getting ridiculous.

 

[karrie]

While tobacco products don't affect judgement like marijuana and alcohol, they are addictive and carcinogenic. Feel free to smoke your brains out, just don't force others to share your bad habits involuntarily because its an inconvenience for you.

Oh yes tobacco most certainly does affect judgement. Any addiction affects the rationality of our decisions. Just watch any family in a financial crunch spend money cigarettes, and it becomes VERY clear.

 

[Avro]

Go ahead. While you're at it, make sure that anything taught to minors is not adversely negative towards society.

Am I the only one that can get past emotion, rhetoric and easily manipulated stats, and sees the slippery slope here?

Avro, what do you think of the Patriot Act?

Are you trying to tell me that hot boxing a car with tobacco smoke won't affect a childs health?

You know how I feel about the patriot act....;-) I'm sure a point is coming.

 

[earth_as_one]

BS, many resaurants spent hundreds of thousands of dollars installing state of the art air purifiers and ventilation systems, only to have them made redundant by over zealous bureaucrats, buying the vote of people like yourself that have no idea what you're talking about.

If I fart in one of these state of the art restaurants, can anyone else smell them?

BTW, swimming pools have purifiers and filtration systems. Does that mean you support peeing in public pools as long as its in just one section of the pool?

IMO, people who smoke should be responsible about it. That means respecting the rights of others to a smoke free environment.

Forcing others to share your bad habit is rude and obnoxious. I'm not surprised by your position on this topic or your inability to see this from the viewpoint of a non-smoker.

 

[earth_as_one]

Oh yes tobacco most certainly does affect judgement. Any addiction affects the rationality of our decisions. Just watch any family in a financial crunch spend money cigarettes, and it becomes VERY clear.

My point was that smoking doesn't impair your ability to operate a vehicle like alcohol and marijuana. Driving while under the influence of nicotine is not a problem.

 

[Avro]

That's you. How many restaurants were told they could install these special rooms, only to have them made illegal within a year?

That doesn't change the fact that they were out of pocket. And many businesses did suffer, at the onset.

Now you can't even smoke under an awning. This is just getting ridiculous.

To bad they didn't choose otherwise....not my problem.

Mine didn't, I saw a new brand of customer and they brought kids with them. Bars suffered the most but they always suffer and often fail especially the big ones.

It is getting a little rediculous...ban them...get it over with already.:roll:

 

[CDNBear]

Are you trying to tell me that hot boxing a car with tobacco smoke won't affect a childs health?

That's been asked and answered. Although at no point have I even considered hotboxing a car full of kids even remotely appropriate, ever.

There is a major difference between driving with the windows down and hotboxing.

And I will admit, I'm skeptical of the science behind the claim that smoking in a car is tantamount to a smokey bar.

You know how I feel about the patriot act....;-) I'm sure a point is coming.[/quote]You bet...

This law is along the same lines as the Patriot act, and that is not an extreme comparison either. Both infringe on the rights of some, under the guise of protecting others. I don't not believe for a second that this law was passed to protect kids. I fully believe that kids were used, so the emotional types would get on board...

YouTube - Children

 

[Avro]

Oh yes tobacco most certainly does affect judgement. Any addiction affects the rationality of our decisions. Just watch any family in a financial crunch spend money cigarettes, and it becomes VERY clear.

You're right, smokers are filthy pigs, I love it when they just toss the butt ends out the window after they are finished....pigs.:roll:

Btw...I use to smoke so I know.;-)

 

[Avro]

That's been asked and answered. Although at no point have I even considered hotboxing a car full of kids even remotely appropriate, ever.

There is a major difference between driving with the windows down and hotboxing.

And I will admit, I'm skeptical of the science behind the claim that smoking in a car is tantamount to a smokey bar.

You know how I feel about the patriot act....;-) I'm sure a point is coming.

You bet...

This law is along the same lines as the Patriot act, and that is not an extreme comparison either. Both infringe on the rights of some, under the guise of protecting others. I don't not believe for a second that this law was passed to protect kids. I fully believe that kids were used, so the emotional types would get on board...

YouTube - Children [/quote/]

So you think it was a.....

Sorry, don't believe in them.:lol:

 

[CDNBear]

If I fart in one of these state of the art restaurants, can anyone else smell them?

Maybe.

BTW, swimming pools have purifiers and filtration systems. Does that mean you support peeing in public pools as long as its in just one section of the pool?

Ya.

IMO, people who smoke should be responsible about it. That means respecting the rights of others to a smoke free environment.

Do you suffer from some form of autism, or comprehension issue? If an establishemnt install a smoking room, complete with state of the art ventilation or purification systems, how is that infringing on the rights of others?

Forcing others to share your bad habit is rude and obnoxious. I'm not surprised by your position on this topic or your inability to see this from the viewpoint of a non-smoker.

I am a non smoker moron.

Why am I not surprised you want to force your belief, in defiance of the Charter on others. It goes hand in hand with the Nazi ideology of the terrorists you support.

It is getting a little rediculous...ban them...get it over with already.:roll:

Agreed. That just means I can jack up my prices.

 

[CDNBear]

So you think it was a.....

Sorry, don't believe in them.:lol:

No, I don't believe in conspiracies either. There is however a difference between a conspiracy and pure manipulation to have your ideology thrust upon others. Which is what we see here.

 

[TenPenny]

I would assume that the idea is to ban smoking in houses where children live, as well.

 

[Avro]

No, I don't believe in conspiracies either. There is however a difference between a conspiracy and pure manipulation to have your ideology thrust upon others. Which is what we see here.

So smoke can be thrust upon someone?

You of course can think whatever you want but to me...it is about protecting kids from the harmful effects of cigarrete smoke.

You said earlier you doubt the affects of second hand smoke when the windows are open....so should we have a law saying you can only smoke in a car with children when the windows are open?

Wanna pull your hair out? Have you heard about third hand smoke yet?:lol:

 

[Avro]

I would assume that the idea is to ban smoking in houses where children live, as well.

When the kids have no choice, what else would you like to do?

 

[Praxius]

Are the rights of the children not being violated as per the constitution as well?

I know who's side I'd take.....

 

[CDNBear]

So smoke can be thrust upon someone?

Not sure I understand the context of that question.

You of course can think whatever you want but to me...it is about protecting kids from the harmful effects of cigarrete smoke.

And you're free to do so, if you wouldn't mind abstaining from abusing the law and the Charter of rights while you do, I would be much appreciative.

You said earlier you doubt the affects of second hand smoke when the windows are open....so should we have a law saying you can only smoke in a car with children when the windows are open?

No, I said I doubt that a car with the windows open isn't like to have the same toxic levels as a "smokey bar" as the article would have us believe.

Wanna pull your hair out?

I shaved my head yesterday morning.

Have you heard about third hand smoke yet?:lol:

:lol:

When the kids have no choice, what else would you like to do?

I'd like you to afford smokers the same rights you afford religious groups, who teach their children damaging ideologies. Then you can stop telling people how to raise their kids if we aren't braking any laws. Then I'd like you and the state to stay the fu!k out of my house.

 

[Avro]

Not sure I understand the context of that question.

Sorry, you said you wouldn't have an ideology forced upon you well isn't that what we are doing to kids?

And you're free to do so, if you wouldn't mind abstaining from abusing the law and the Charter of rights while you do, I would be much appreciative.

....again, what about the rights of the kids? Do they have none.

A libertarian creedo..."I should be able to do anything I want as long as it doesn't affect others."

No, I said I doubt that a car with the windows open isn't like to have the same toxic levels as a "smokey bar" as the article would have us believe.

What's the point? I've seen plenty of closed windows or the old opened just a crack with smokers puffing away.

Do we have a law for that or not? Otherwise your point is moot.

I shaved my head yesterday morning.

Somehow I knew you were going to say that.;-)

I'd like you to afford smokers the same rights you afford religious groups, who teach their children damaging ideologies., and not tell us how to raise our kids if we aren't in breach of the law for starters. Then I'd like you and the state to stay the fu!k out of my house.

Back to that eh? I'll refer you to Karrie's post and.....

Should I be able to beat my kids for their "own good"? Should I be able to make child porn with them?

No, of course not....we have laws for that.....let's make some more.

Ever seen those super fat babies on shows like Oprah? Ever see the crap that is fed to them? Is that legal? Nope, usually the state intervenes and I'm glad they do as well as any other form of child abuse.

Take care dude....got to go.:canada:

Go Habs!

 

[Avro]

Don't worry...I will Mrs. Lovejoy.:lol: