Obama reforms USA's nuclear weapons policy

[EagleSmack]

I think if you tried to get an answer out of Obama about whether he agrees or disagrees with the US atomic bombings, he would probably be evasive at first, but then eventually admit that he wouldn't of done it if he were in the same situation as Truman.

Yes, he would have invaded and cost tens of thousands of more US lives and millions more Japanese. But at least it wouldn't have been a BIG AZZ BANG.

More fire bombing, flying steel, bayonets, artillery and flamethrowers would have been so much more humane.

 

[lone wolf]

Yes, he would have invaded and cost tens of thousands of more US lives and millions more Japanese. But at least it wouldn't have been a BIG AZZ BANG.

More fire bombing, flying steel, bayonets, artillery and flamethrowers would have been so much more humane.

Saipan and Okinawa are proof enough of that....

 

[theconqueror]

I think you better read the pamphlets that the Nuclear Power plants at San Onefre sends you again.

Please tell me you are now pulling my leg.

I'm serious.. very basic technology. The confusion is how do you get a larger explosion with a nuclear warhead if it's just a battery? Or did the governement screw up the truth about nuclear warheads when they are really atomic warheads in hiding?

 

[lone wolf]

I'm serious.. very basic technology. The confusion is how do you get a larger explosion with a nuclear warhead if it's just a battery? Or did the governement screw up the truth about nuclear warheads when they are really atomic warheads in hiding?

...just a battery.... :roll: O-ookay

 

[theconqueror]

...just a battery.... :roll: O-ookay

Think about it... If they were anything of an explosive, I would be sitting in another Okinawa waiting to get set off. Now, multiply it times every major city in the world which have them... We could literly crack the earth if we all decided to set them off as explosives. But they are not, they are just batteries.

 

[Icarus27k]

Yes, he would have invaded and cost tens of thousands of more US lives and millions more Japanese. But at least it wouldn't have been a BIG AZZ BANG.

More fire bombing, flying steel, bayonets, artillery and flamethrowers would have been so much more humane.

No ground invasion would have been necessary. I agree with people like Hoover and MacArthur who say the Japanese would've have surrendered without any atom bombs.

Or they wouldn't have surrendered at all...whatever. Then the fighting probably would've ended, but there just wouldn't have been a treaty signing.

In other words, I'm not at all convinced that there was an either/or situation: Atom bombs or ground invasion. That always struck me as an attempt at a justification.

 

[lone wolf]

Think about it... If they were anything of an explosive, I would be sitting in another Okinawa waiting to get set off. Now, multiply it times every major city in the world which have them... We could literly crack the earth if we all decided to set them off as explosives. But they are not, they are just batteries.

Okinawa? And you tried to pass yourself off as a Commander?

 

[theconqueror]

No ground invasion would have been necessary. I agree with people like Hoover and MacArthur who say the Japanese would've have surrendered without any atom bombs.

Or they wouldn't have surrendered at all...whatever. Then the fighting probably would've ended, but there just wouldn't have been a treaty signing.

In other words, I'm not at all convinced that there was an either/or situation: Atom bombs or ground invasion. That always struck me as an attempt at a justification.

Yes. Sorry it happened. I learn't in Science at High School how it happened with the powdered version of it. Was kinda neat-o how you can throw this powder in a puddle of water and it makes a big flash and bang you get a minature mushroom cloud explosion.

 

[theconqueror]

Okinawa? And you tried to pass yourself off as a Commander?

Woah buddy, left field.. What's wrong with Okinawa?

 

[lone wolf]

Woah buddy, left field.. What's wrong with Okinawa?

Left field my arse.... It should be zooming past Pluto any time now.

 

[theconqueror]

Left field my arse.... It should be zooming past Pluto any time now.

lol! No wonder you are looking at me funny, I mean't Hiroshima! :lol:

 

[lone wolf]

lol! No wonder you are looking at me funny, I mean't Hiroshima! :lol:

...and/or Nagasaki

 

[theconqueror]

...and/or Nagasaki

Yes.. big error on my part. Sorry about that. I'm embarassed.

 

[EagleSmack]

No ground invasion would have been necessary. I agree with people like Hoover and MacArthur who say the Japanese would've have surrendered without any atom bombs.

McArthur! He wanted to use a whole bunch of them on the Chinese 5 years later!

Your facts are a mess.

 

[Icarus27k]

McArthur! He wanted to use a whole bunch of them on the Chinese 5 years later!

Your facts are a mess.

I know that about MacArthur. That's why I'm talking about WWII MacArthur (i.e. the good MacArthur), and not his crazy, evil twin from years later.

 

[Icarus27k]

Also, embarrassing fact: I get EagleSmack and theconqueror confused. Yous guys' avatars look similar to me.


Sorry you guys.

 

[EagleSmack]

No ground invasion would have been necessary.

Oh. They just would have surrendered? Do you know they were already asked to surrender twice before they got the first bomb dropped on them?

Did you know that after the first bomb they still refused to surrender and members of the Japanese Diet convinced the Emperor that the Americans could not possibly have another A-Bomb? With that the Japanese refused to surrender.

Only after the second bomb coupled with the Soviet entry into the war did the Japanese finally get it.

I agree with people like Hoover and MacArthur who say the Japanese would've have surrendered without any atom bombs.

What did Hoover say?

I am sure they would have surrendered after a full scale invasion and all of their cities and population laid waste.

Or they wouldn't have surrendered at all...whatever. Then the fighting probably would've ended, but there just wouldn't have been a treaty signing.

:roll:

In other words, I'm not at all convinced that there was an either/or situation: Atom bombs or ground invasion. That always struck me as an attempt at a justification.

Were you convinced at all that we were at war?

 

[theconqueror]

No ground invasion would have been necessary. I agree with people like Hoover and MacArthur who say the Japanese would've have surrendered without any atom bombs.

Nope. Not with their Bushido in effect which he soon learned that with the Kamikaze they were never going to surrender. It was the honor untill death of the Bushido that makes me wonder if they even surrendered at all, or did they just claim exhaustion of military resources? Hmm... would have to ask an old jap.

 

[EagleSmack]

Think about it... If they were anything of an explosive, I would be sitting in another Okinawa waiting to get set off. Now, multiply it times every major city in the world which have them... We could literly crack the earth if we all decided to set them off as explosives. But they are not, they are just batteries.

I think you are having a tough time distinguishing a nuclear bomb from a nuclear reaction.

A nuclear warhead is built different and when the fission starts it is, let's say, less controlled. There is a dramatic split of atoms and BANG... you have a nuclear explosion.

If a nuclear reactor core is not cooled properly and allowed to heat it begins to melt everything around it and you have a nuclear disaster on your hands...not a simple battery acid leak.

Have you ever heard of Chernobyl?

Chernobyl was a city in the Soviet Union and also was powered by a nuclear reactor. The nuclear reactor had a total meltdown and it killed 56 people outright and wrecked the environment. A city of 336,000 people had to be evacuated and remains abandoned to this very day. A modern ghost town. 800,000 Soviets were exposed to radiation and there have been about 4000 deaths attributed to the meltdown.




Thats some battery leak!

 

[EagleSmack]

Nope. Not with their Bushido in effect which he soon learned that with the Kamikaze they were never going to surrender. It was the honor untill death of the Bushido that makes me wonder if they even surrendered at all, or did they just claim exhaustion of military resources? Hmm... would have to ask an old jap.

Oh they surrendered alright. After the second bomb the Emperor said enough and accepted the allied Potsdam Accord.