Liberal phobia and the cause….

AnnaG

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You know SJP, there are very few people on this site who cannot get themselves a drink of water without looking for some self gratification and acceptance by others. Europe and Canada are not doing fine. Canada maybe doing a little better than most, but are still tied to what ever happens here in the U.S. I will grant you that Canada has a fairly safe banking system, but it is not that safe to be immune to whatever happens here in the U.S..
As for Europe, they will be in extreme trouble unless they also start make the cutbacks that Greece is facing. The free ride is over for the liberals, even Obama is starting to understand it a little. List of 10 countries in major debt: Austria, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, Ireland, Netherlands, France, Germany and the United Kingdom.

http://www.aneki.com/countries.php?t=Countries_with_the_Highest_External_Debts_in_Europe&table=fb176&places=*&unit=*&order=desc&dependency=independent&number=5&cntdn=y&r=-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19&c=europe&measures=Country--External Debt (US Dollars)&units=*--$&decimals=*--*&file=europe_external_debt

You ought to stop trying to deflect others faults to the U.S., we know our debt and will take care of it. You may not like all our policies, but you have accepted enough. Now as to your expertise about how we function and policies, it takes more than a few years as a college student to learn that. By the way, we are pretty much bigger in population than all of Europe (Russia excluded), so all of European countries (Russia excluded) are pretty small also.
Um, debt is relative. Here's a list of the net worth per capita of countries as of 2000:


http://www.wider.unu.edu/research/

I'm looking for a newer version.
 

SirJosephPorter

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But it's not wrong for you personally to take that money and keep it, knowing where it comes from.
As you have said.

If I am benefiting by the legal actions of somebody else (in this instance Harper), I am under no obligation to return the money to anybody. If a fool gives me money and I take it, you can't blame me for that, you must blame the fool.
 

SirJosephPorter

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"No it is not. Transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich is always wrong."

EUREKA- That is the stupidest statement for this week so far. The poor don't have wealth.

Stupidest? You sell yourself short, JLM. You have outdone that statement by miles many times. It is not true to say that poor have nothing, the poor don't have much.

But while I benefit form Harper's Ponzi swindle, that single mother on minimum wage may have to pay more for food, rent etc. (as a result of high inflation caused by astronomical deficit). She may lose her job (as a result fo high unemployment caused by out of control deficit) she may have to go without food sometimes to keep her child fed, she may neglect her dental hygiene, she may feed her child cheap, high calorie food (cookies, French fries ) to keep the child's belly full etc.

As a result, both she and her child suffers while I get richer. That is transfer of wealth from her to me. That is what Harper is doing, with his huge deficit and giveaway to the rich (and to people like you).
 

AnnaG

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Stupidest? You sell yourself short, JLM. You have outdone that statement by miles many times.
Ditto.
It is not true to say that poor have nothing, the poor don't have much.
:tard: Yup, but that's not what he said anyway. He said the poor don't have wealth, not that the poor have nothing. You are equating wealth with nothing. roflmao
 

SirJosephPorter

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"Europe is doing fine, ironsides. So is Canada."

You should quit talking out of both sides of your mouth and decide which way you want it. I would suggest going by what you said originally Harper should be praised and lauded for the fine economic shape we are in. When it suits you we are doing fine and when it otherwise suits you Harper has us drowned in debt that will take 20 generations of our descendends 3000 years to pay. Which way is it S.J.? Are we like Germany or are we like Greece? Make up your mind.

We are like Germany, no doubt about it. Currently we are doing fine. But we are storing trouble for ourselves for future. And Harper is responsible for that with his borrow and spend philosophy. Greece is in immediate trouble, we are not. It may take 10 or 20 years of such astronomical deficit before Canada has to declare bankruptcy, but it will inevitably happen. I assume the same applies to Germany. And USA is in a much worse situation.

So yes, we are like Germany, we are in no immediate trouble. But if we have the borrow and spend conservative government for a few more years, we will definitely go the way of Greece. It is just that USA will get there before we do.
 

DaSleeper

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But it's not wrong for you personally to take that money and keep it, knowing where it comes from.
As you have said.

From another thread
=DaSleeper
Yup..... pension income splitting for seniors is benefiting the rich, and so is municipal tax rebate of up to 500$ by Mcguinty for seniors...
=SPA
Quite. Harper is borrowing more than 1000 $ each, every year from your kids and your grandkids and he is giving some of it back to you. How generous of him. Your kids and grandkids will have to pay for it. But hey, that is in the future, why worry about that now, right? Let us enjoy, have a party with the borrowed money.
Tenpenny: Can you now see the hypocrisy of what he's saying here ..A conservative is stealing from his grand kids but a Liberal is entitled to his entitlements .......What a crock of shyte and what a "Troll"
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If I am benefiting by the legal actions of somebody else (in this instance Harper), I am under no obligation to return the money to anybody. If a fool gives me money and I take it, you can't blame me for that, you must blame the fool.
 

SirJosephPorter

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You know SJP, there are very few people on this site who cannot get themselves a drink of water without looking for some self gratification and acceptance by others. Europe and Canada are not doing fine. Canada maybe doing a little better than most, but are still tied to what ever happens here in the U.S. I will grant you that Canada has a fairly safe banking system, but it is not that safe to be immune to whatever happens here in the U.S..
As for Europe, they will be in extreme trouble unless they also start make the cutbacks that Greece is facing. The free ride is over for the liberals, even Obama is starting to understand it a little. List of 10 countries in major debt: Austria, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, Ireland, Netherlands, France, Germany and the United Kingdom.

http://www.aneki.com/countries.php?t=Countries_with_the_Highest_External_Debts_in_Europe&table=fb176&places=*&unit=*&order=desc&dependency=independent&number=5&cntdn=y&r=-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19&c=europe&measures=Country--External Debt (US Dollars)&units=*--$&decimals=*--*&file=europe_external_debt

You ought to stop trying to deflect others faults to the U.S., we know our debt and will take care of it. You may not like all our policies, but you have accepted enough. Now as to your expertise about how we function and policies, it takes more than a few years as a college student to learn that. By the way, we are pretty much bigger in population than all of Europe (Russia excluded), so all of European countries (Russia excluded) are pretty small also.


I was just referring to Europe, and there they are right behind the U.S. all in a row,

Top Countries with the Highest External Debts 2010. Pretty close to now's figures.

http://www.aneki.com/countries.php?t=Countries_with_the_Highest_External_Debts_in_Europe&table=fb176&places=*=*&order=desc&decimals=&dependency=independent&number=all&cntdn=asc&r=-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19&c=&measures=Country--External&file=

That is pretty much what I expected. So before you throw stones at Europe, shouldn't you get your own house in order first?

Incidentally, you are wrong about population of Europe. It is 631 million according to 2009 numbers.

Demographics of Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russia is 142 million.

Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Subtract that and the population of Europe is 489 million, way more than the population of USA.
 

ironsides

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And some wonder why I think Liberals are going to far. "Liberal phobia and the cause…." could this be a main reason why most have a phobia against them. Do we allow to much freedom?
Washington – A father of a Marine killed in Iraq says he won't pay the legal fees of a protest group who picketed at his son's funeral in 2006 – at least not until he hears from the US Supreme Court on the matter.
Albert Snyder, whose son, Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, was killed in Iraq, learned Friday that a federal appeals court is requiring him to pay more than $16,000 in legal fees to the Westboro Baptist Church, a Christian fundamentalist group that demonstrates during military funerals to gain attention for its antigovernment, antihomosexual message. The group rallied at Matthew Snyder’s funeral in March 2006 in Westminster, Md., chanting antigay slogans and carrying signs such as “Thank God for dead soldiers,” says Albert Snyder’s attorney, Sean Summers.
The group was protesting about 30 feet from the church’s main entrance, and Mr. Snyder had to enter through a separate entrance, Mr. Summers says.

Dad of a fallen Marine perseveres against protests at military funerals - Yahoo! News


Ultra Left Wing religious nuts, didn't know they existed.
 

wulfie68

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We are like Germany, no doubt about it. Currently we are doing fine. But we are storing trouble for ourselves for future. And Harper is responsible for that with his borrow and spend philosophy. Greece is in immediate trouble, we are not. It may take 10 or 20 years of such astronomical deficit before Canada has to declare bankruptcy, but it will inevitably happen. I assume the same applies to Germany. And USA is in a much worse situation.

So yes, we are like Germany, we are in no immediate trouble. But if we have the borrow and spend conservative government for a few more years, we will definitely go the way of Greece. It is just that USA will get there before we do.

And you have yet to show how your precious Liberal Party of Canada would have done things any different than what Harper's gov't is doing now. All I have seen from Dion, and Iggy was criticism that there wasn't enough going to their pet segments of the economy (i.e. pork barreling to their bases). We have Trudeau's example of deficit spending from when he was in office during rough economic times (as well as the untold billions spent on his "just nation" BS). If anything, based on the Liberals interviews and debate in the HOC things would be worse.
 

ironsides

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That is pretty much what I expected. So before you throw stones at Europe, shouldn't you get your own house in order first?

Incidentally, you are wrong about population of Europe. It is 631 million according to 2009 numbers.

Demographics of Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russia is 142 million.

Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Subtract that and the population of Europe is 489 million, way more than the population of USA.

We are trying. and I know where Russia is but they have problems unique to themselves. And I only counted the 10 worst countries in Europe and we win (What ever that means) I listed the top debtor countries behind the U.S., you liberals have to get used to accepting responsibility and stop blaming everyone else. Liberals have been in control of the U.S. goverment since 2006/7, so it is time to stop blaming the Republicans alone, the Democrats have had time enough change and they haven't.
 

ironsides

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“Liberalism is bankrupting States like it is doing to countries in Europe. Liberalism is like a creeping fungus on life that steals from you with out any benefit other than to itself.
California, New York and other states are showing many of the same signs of debt overload that recently took Greece to the brink -- “

CRAP.........................................................BIG CRAP........................................


Good day Ironside, before you start throwing rocks on Liberalism, understand one thing. California is on the ROCKS because of the Conservatives, Arnold is a Republican followed Bushes arithmetic, and brought the Golden State of America Californian to a state of bankrupts, Like Bush did to the entire country. New York Juliany was a Conservative ( RIPUBLICAN ) and left a finacial mess behind as well....

As for Greece, the same thing took place there the Greek people made the most serious electoral mistake in their Life’s by voting a Conservative Government identical stupid economic principals like (Mulroney) for two terms, a bunch of right wing idiot nut bars who lied to them Like Harpers did to Canadians in the past 4 years , “ no deficits “ and they did the opposite, sink the country into a debt that send Greece looking for help, in the European Union and the US.

Liberalism was not the cause but rather stupid Conservatism Arithmetic and lying political tactics in an effort to hold on to uninitiated power.

If you want to talk social benefit, the Liberals are on record protecting the Canadian common man, by introducing four key mechanisms in Canada to protect human rights: the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Canadian Human Rights Act, the Canadian Human Rights Commission, and provincial human rights laws and legislation.
Also Prime Minister, Pearson's minority government introduced universal health care, student loans, the Canada Pension Plan, the Order of Canada, and the current Canadian flag.
You see Iroside Liberalism is not a fungus, it is a sound political way taking care of the common man. . So admitting you are wrong is a good start.

California was on the rocks before Liberal Arnold took the helm, (he is a liberal Republican). They passed a law 20-30 years ago to stop or limit home tax increases. he was handcuffed. Mayor Giuliani was never governor of New York, he was mayor of NYC.


Liberals will destroy Canada just give them more time, your all relatively new at this democracy thing, you will evolve. You are not the Socrates of old or you would see what is wrong.
 

Socrates the Greek

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California was on the rocks before Liberal Arnold took the helm, (he is a liberal Republican). They passed a law 20-30 years ago to stop or limit home tax increases. he was handcuffed. Mayor Giuliani was never governor of New York, he was mayor of NYC.


Liberals will destroy Canada just give them more time, your all relatively new at this democracy thing, you will evolve. You are not the Socrates of old or you would see what is wrong.

I never said I was an old or new Socrates but a Canadian voter with Greek heritage, no need to involve my avatar to help pitch the cheap shot.
What I have witnessed in the 47 years I have been in Canada is that Liberalism has made Canada into a friendly country.
I noticed that you did not mentioned why Greece is on the financial rocks, could it be that the people rioting in the streets are fed up with Conservative rule and they want change?

Or are the people who are pissed off a bunch of socialists wanting to turn the table? When we see the National staggering debt of Greece, heavy unemployment, people loosing their homes, , the people were lied too, there is reason for blame a 2 term Conservative Government who lied to them about the financial condition of the country, sounds familiar?

talk about that instead of throwing the chip shot.
Canada is what it is because of the Liberals Economically and socially, and looking at the many around the world would love to move here too.

Canada is not what it is because anything the Conservatives have done in the past 50 years. They have done nothing notable. If I look at the longest Prime Minister who was Mulroney and see that after his exit as a PM his party was completely dismantled because they became so politically irrelevant, were is the history for the Conservative party of a proud moment. So don’t sit here talking to me as I just started voting.......... Answer the Greek economy, the Conservatives are on record around the world for worst borrowing - bigger Government- and bad financial books.
Hey by the way please tell me what do you make of the minister who had her colloquies writing phoney letters to the editor praising her. What is that all about? Secrecy, bigotry, trickery and hypocrisy............

Democracy has always benefited from Liberalism, and Democracy has always suffered immensely under Conservative rule, the cause is that the core of Coservativisem has the hidden hypocritical element.
I hope Canada will not give Harper another mandate, plus to end up with two minority terms, that, we can not blame the Global economic meltdown, but the secretive Canadian PM Harper.
 

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I never said I was an old or new Socrates but a Canadian voter with Greek heritage, no need to involve my avatar to help pitch the cheap shot.
Of course not, you are a walking cheap shot.
What I have witnessed in the 47 years I have been in Canada is that Liberalism has made Canada into a friendly country.
Liberalism doesn't exist in Canada.

Canada is what it is because of the Liberals Economically and socially, and looking at the many around the world would love to move here too.
This is grade "A" BS. This country is what it is, because of the people that built it, because of the people that inhabit it. The political parties have little to do with that.

Canada is not what it is because anything the Conservatives have done in the past 50 years. They have done nothing notable. If I look at the longest Prime Minister who was Mulroney and see that after his exit as a PM his party was completely dismantled because they became so politically irrelevant, were is the history for the Conservative party of a proud moment. So don’t sit here talking to me as I just started voting..........
Again, you base your beliefs on popularity, that has to be the most ignorant form of misinformation I have ever seen, and it certainly trumps mhz.

Answer the Greek economy, the Conservatives are on record around the world for worst borrowing - bigger Government- and bad financial books.
A completely fallacious statement.
Hey by the way please tell me what do you make of the minister who had her colloquies writing phoney letters to the editor praising her. What is that all about?
She's a politician, as such is required to be sleazy, just like the rest.

Secrecy, bigotry, trickery and hypocrisy............
Yep, that sums up the LPoC well.
Democracy has always benefited from Liberalism,
And the rule of law, but that is not what the LPoC has branded, or marketed.

the core of Coservativisem has the hidden hypocritical element.
Riiiiiight, and the LPoC, even though I have compiled a list of over 200 acts of enthical, criminal and hypocritical behavior, is still just peachy? Get help Soc Puppet.
I hope Canada will not give Harper another mandate, plus to end up with two minority terms, that, we can not blame the Global economic meltdown, but the secretive Canadian PM Harper.
I agree, but i pity the alternative.
 

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I never said I was an old or new Socrates but a Canadian voter with Greek heritage, no need to involve my avatar to help pitch the cheap shot.
What I have witnessed in the 47 years I have been in Canada is that Liberalism has made Canada into a friendly country.
I noticed that you did not mentioned why Greece is on the financial rocks, could it be that the people rioting in the streets are fed up with Conservative rule and they want change?

Or are the people who are pissed off a bunch of socialists wanting to turn the table? When we see the National staggering debt of Greece, heavy unemployment, people loosing their homes, , the people were lied too, there is reason for blame a 2 term Conservative Government who lied to them about the financial condition of the country, sounds familiar?

talk about that instead of throwing the chip shot.
Canada is what it is because of the Liberals Economically and socially, and looking at the many around the world would love to move here too.

Canada is not what it is because anything the Conservatives have done in the past 50 years. They have done nothing notable. If I look at the longest Prime Minister who was Mulroney and see that after his exit as a PM his party was completely dismantled because they became so politically irrelevant, were is the history for the Conservative party of a proud moment. So don’t sit here talking to me as I just started voting.......... Answer the Greek economy, the Conservatives are on record around the world for worst borrowing - bigger Government- and bad financial books.
Hey by the way please tell me what do you make of the minister who had her colloquies writing phoney letters to the editor praising her. What is that all about? Secrecy, bigotry, trickery and hypocrisy............

Democracy has always benefited from Liberalism, and Democracy has always suffered immensely under Conservative rule, the cause is that the core of Coservativisem has the hidden hypocritical element.
I hope Canada will not give Harper another mandate, plus to end up with two minority terms, that, we can not blame the Global economic meltdown, but the secretive Canadian PM Harper.

You want a more thorough discussion about Greece, it is Socialism gone wild.
People sucking the country dry with their early retirements, not enough working to support those who retired. The measures that Europe propose are aimed at drastically cutting the living standards of broad layers of the population. According to the head of the German Ifo Institute, Hans-Werner Sinn, “The Greeks have become accustomed to the good life.” Now they need “to be prescribed a course of thrift: however difficult it is for the Greeks, they have to lower real wages.” And this, even though the national average wage is only half as high as in Germany, while prices are almost the same.

The austerity measures being dictated to Athens express fundamental changes in the relationship between states in the European Union. For a long time, Germany was regarded as Europe’s “paymaster,” because it paid relatively large sums into the EU budget to compensate for regional differences. These served to expand and strengthen the EU, and the German economy, in turn, benefited the most. The corruption of the Greek elite, which now serves as a pretext for imposing brutal attacks on the working class, was tacitly condoned by Brussels and Berlin because it allowed the big corporations and banks to take over the Greek market.

Socialism and the Greek debt crisis


"Democracy has always benefited from Liberalism, and Democracy has always suffered immensely under Conservative rule, the cause is that the core of Coservativisem has the hidden hypocritical element.
I hope Canada will not give Harper another mandate, plus to end up with two minority terms, that, we can not blame the Global economic meltdown, but the secretive Canadian PM Harper."


You mean Democracy has always suffered under liberalism, and for Conservative, it is the Yang to Democracy's Ying. They need each other, but no one need Liberalism.
 

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Hey by the way please tell me what do you make of the minister who had her colloquies writing phoney letters to the editor praising her. What is that all about?

That's funny. The last time I did something like that, I was working for a Liberal leadership candidate, and the letter was written by his campaign manager, and I signed it.

Don't try to pretend that this practice isn't common among all parties.
 

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You want a more thorough discussion about Greece, it is Socialism gone wild.
People sucking the country dry with their early retirements, not enough working to support those who retired. The measures that Europe propose are aimed at drastically cutting the living standards of broad layers of the population. According to the head of the German Ifo Institute, Hans-Werner Sinn, “The Greeks have become accustomed to the good life.” Now they need “to be prescribed a course of thrift: however difficult it is for the Greeks, they have to lower real wages.” And this, even though the national average wage is only half as high as in Germany, while prices are almost the same.

The austerity measures being dictated to Athens express fundamental changes in the relationship between states in the European Union. For a long time, Germany was regarded as Europe’s “paymaster,” because it paid relatively large sums into the EU budget to compensate for regional differences. These served to expand and strengthen the EU, and the German economy, in turn, benefited the most. The corruption of the Greek elite, which now serves as a pretext for imposing brutal attacks on the working class, was tacitly condoned by Brussels and Berlin because it allowed the big corporations and banks to take over the Greek market.

Socialism and the Greek debt crisis


"Democracy has always benefited from Liberalism, and Democracy has always suffered immensely under Conservative rule, the cause is that the core of Coservativisem has the hidden hypocritical element.
I hope Canada will not give Harper another mandate, plus to end up with two minority terms, that, we can not blame the Global economic meltdown, but the secretive Canadian PM Harper."

You mean Democracy has always suffered under liberalism, and for Conservative, it is the Yang to Democracy's Ying. They need each other, but no one need Liberalism.

The Elite of Greece are Conservatives not Socialists, the working poor have been wearing the Socialist title for a long long time .
The Conservatives in Greece screwed the people by allowing Greece to become a part of the European Union.
Like Mulroney did with free trade that put a huge f on the Canadian farmers.........
Talk to a starving Canadain farmer about free trade.
Harper’s style of democracy ............................
The Conservatives will be remembered as the Trickster Cons.
Attempt to make Canadian voters secretly pay for Champaign over spending to boost them on the polls during the 2008 Election…. Got caught by Elections Canada and still argue they did nothing wrong…….Very sneaky………

Bigotry blunders, homophobic bad remarks about gays,
Bigotry advertising tactics against Opposition Leader Stephan Deon.
$1.5 Million spend on illegal advertising to boost MPS IMAGE PAID BY TAX PAYERS
Running away from the business of the people by proroguing, hiding like a bunch of pansies .....you call that democracy? "we are to do the job the Canadian people asked us to" Oh ye, is that why they are stuck on the polls since taking office 4 years ego like a bus with a FLAT TIRE?
The Afghanistan detainee problem that keeps getting bigger and bigger as the Conservatives are force to answer damaging questions....

The reason Harper has not been able to go past 35% on the polls is clear the people do not trust the Conservatives.

And that is what the Harper Reform party of Canada in secrecy, out side the Conservatives will be remembered for ………..
nothing good but lots of trickery, bigotry and hypocrisy..............................
 

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The Elite of Greece are Conservatives not Socialists, the working poor have been wearing the Socialist title for a long long time .
The Conservatives in Greece screwed the people by allowing Greece to become a part of the European Union.
Like Mulroney did with free trade that put a huge f on the Canadian farmers.........
Talk to a starving Canadain farmer about free trade.
Harper’s style of democracy ............................
The Conservatives will be remembered as the Trickster Cons.
Attempt to make Canadian voters secretly pay for Champaign over spending to boost them on the polls during the 2008 Election…. Got caught by Elections Canada and still argue they did nothing wrong…….Very sneaky………

Bigotry blunders, homophobic bad remarks about gays,
Bigotry advertising tactics against Opposition Leader Stephan Deon.
$1.5 Million spend on illegal advertising to boost MPS IMAGE PAID BY TAX PAYERS
Running away from the business of the people by proroguing, hiding like a bunch of pansies .....you call that democracy? "we are to do the job the Canadian people asked us to" Oh ye, is that why they are stuck on the polls since taking office 4 years ego like a bus with a FLAT TIRE?
The Afghanistan detainee problem that keeps getting bigger and bigger as the Conservatives are force to answer damaging questions....

The reason Harper has not been able to go past 35% on the polls is clear the people do not trust the Conservatives.

And that is what the Harper Reform party of Canada in secrecy, out side the Conservatives will be remembered for ………..
nothing good but lots of trickery, bigotry and hypocrisy..............................
Repeating it ad nauseum, doesn't make it anymore real.