Latest poll on Capital punishment

[VanIsle]

I believe in full life imprisonment for murder. I also believe that when you go to prison, murder or other wise, you should lose your "rights". No voting. No OAS pay. No - Do you want to work today? Just tell them what their job is for the day and make it hard. This slacking off with a bed and 3 meals a day for nothing in return is wrong. It should be work work work. I sincerely doubt that most murderers care much if they receive the death penalty. They know they are just going to sit around in some prison almost forever anyway. For many of them, the lack of desire for hard work was what got them inside in the first place. Give them hard work. Everybody works and anyone who earns their way out (those without life terms) should be given a lump sum depending on "years of service". (less expenses for items like cigarettes.)

 

[JLM]

Oh......you mean like this guy.

Simon Marshall

Simon Marshall was imprisoned from 1997 to 2003 after he wrongly confessed to a string of sexual assaults in Ste-Foy, a Quebec City suburb. A DNA test later cleared Marshall, a mentally handicapped man. The Quebec Court of Appeal ruled he was a victim of miscarried justice and ordered his criminal record expunged.
It was later found that DNA evidence first collected in the investigation that led to Marshall's conviction was never tested. An inquiry also revealed multiple breaches in police conduct during the investigation.
In December 2006, the Quebec government awarded the 24-year-old $2.3 million, the highest wrongful conviction compensation to date in the province. The money went to Marshall's parents, who are in charge of his care.

Read more: CBC News - Canada - Canada's wrongful convictions​

You're getting warmer but you are not there yet. If a sane person confessed then there's not much you can do about that except to check him out for knowledge that only the guilty suspect would have. LIke Olson, pointed out the grave.

 

[JLM]

Hey, efficiency I say. Make sure nothing goes to waste. If we have to put a murderer to death, then why not put him to good use at the same time. The military needs target practice now and then anyway, no? It could save on paper targets, which aren't free by the way.

Excellent point- Or next time they send a space shuttle out, see how long he can survive strapped to the outside of it. If he makes it back alive parole him.

 

[Machjo]

Excellent point- Or next time they send a space shuttle out, see how long he can survive strapped to the outside of it. If he makes it back alive parole him.

Hmmm... I don't quite see how we'd benefit from that. It would be expensive and we know he wouldn't survive already.

I'd say hard labour is probably the way to go if it's life in prison, and if it's death, then firing squad for target practice.

 

[shadowshiv]

I might vote for a return if the penalty were reserved for mass killers.......on multiple convictions and DNA evidence.

I would vote for Capital Punishment to return, but only in cases where there is no doubt to the crime. By this I mean someone leading authorities to a body(or bodies) that no one BUT the killer would know were there, or if there was videotaped evidence(such as the Bernardo ones). Testimony can be flawed, and sometimes so can DNA(witch hunts, misplaced samples, etc.). There has to be NO doubt at all for this to be a viable option.

In all other cases, it should be life in prison with NO possibility of parole. At least then, if evidence ever comes across that the person was not guilty then they are at least alive(and will likely get a huge settlement).

I also think that their rights should cease once they are imprisoned. By this, I mean they should not get to vote, they should not get pensions, etc. Prison is supposed to be a punishment, after all.

 

[Machjo]

And again, if evidence suggests he'd likely not commit another murder, then life of exile from the city where the crime occurred, along with a possible civil lawsuit, ought to suffice. Prison is expensive after all, so if he's not deemd a threat, let him work, pay taxes, and pay retribution, in those cases where the circumstances surrounding the murder were special and unlikely to occur again.

 

[shadowshiv]

I believe in full life imprisonment for murder. I also believe that when you go to prison, murder or other wise, you should lose your "rights". No voting. No OAS pay. No - Do you want to work today? Just tell them what their job is for the day and make it hard. This slacking off with a bed and 3 meals a day for nothing in return is wrong. It should be work work work. I sincerely doubt that most murderers care much if they receive the death penalty. They know they are just going to sit around in some prison almost forever anyway. For many of them, the lack of desire for hard work was what got them inside in the first place. Give them hard work. Everybody works and anyone who earns their way out (those without life terms) should be given a lump sum depending on "years of service". (less expenses for items like cigarettes.)

I could be mistaken, but isn't it illegal for prisoners to smoke in prisons now(and that includes the yard)? I realize that they would still get contraband smokes, but the majority of them would be taken away.

 

[Machjo]

Of course smoking ought to be prohibited. They'd need healthy lungs to work more efficiently and to keep medical costs down.

 

[Machjo]

However, I do favour making the lives of people like Olsen as unpleasant as legally possible.

I don't agree with this. It's not conducive to productive efficiency.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I could be mistaken, but isn't it illegal for prisoners to smoke in prisons now(and that includes the yard)? I realize that they would still get contraband smokes, but the majority of them would be taken away.

Shadowshiv, I think you're correct unless the situation arises that Tobacco use
is justified via culture or religion (Natives, etc...).

You post above brings "David Milgaard" to mind...& it took (I think) 36yrs to
straighten that one out....

David Milgaard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JLM]

I believe in full life imprisonment for murder. I also believe that when you go to prison, murder or other wise, you should lose your "rights". No voting. No OAS pay. No - Do you want to work today? Just tell them what their job is for the day and make it hard. This slacking off with a bed and 3 meals a day for nothing in return is wrong. It should be work work work. I sincerely doubt that most murderers care much if they receive the death penalty. They know they are just going to sit around in some prison almost forever anyway. For many of them, the lack of desire for hard work was what got them inside in the first place. Give them hard work. Everybody works and anyone who earns their way out (those without life terms) should be given a lump sum depending on "years of service". (less expenses for items like cigarettes.)

That would probably work good until they got a note from their doctor. I'm sure that sort of thing would be covered in the illustrious Charter.

 

[JLM]

Hmmm... I don't quite see how we'd benefit from that. It would be expensive and we know he wouldn't survive already.

I'd say hard labour is probably the way to go if it's life in prison, and if it's death, then firing squad for target practice.

Expensive for a length of bungee cord? :lol::lol::lol: But we don't know until we try. :lol::lol::lol: I'm not particularly in favour of molly coddling these bastards.

 

[JLM]

I would vote for Capital Punishment to return, but only in cases where there is no doubt to the crime. By this I mean someone leading authorities to a body(or bodies) that no one BUT the killer would know were there, or if there was videotaped evidence(such as the Bernardo ones). Testimony can be flawed, and sometimes so can DNA(witch hunts, misplaced samples, etc.). There has to be NO doubt at all for this to be a viable option.

In all other cases, it should be life in prison with NO possibility of parole. At least then, if evidence ever comes across that the person was not guilty then they are at least alive(and will likely get a huge settlement).

I also think that their rights should cease once they are imprisoned. By this, I mean they should not get to vote, they should not get pensions, etc. Prison is supposed to be a punishment, after all.

You have the right idea, Shadow................:smile::smile:

 

[JLM]

And again, if evidence suggests he'd likely not commit another murder, then life of exile from the city where the crime occurred, along with a possible civil lawsuit, ought to suffice. Prison is expensive after all, so if he's not deemd a threat, let him work, pay taxes, and pay retribution, in those cases where the circumstances surrounding the murder were special and unlikely to occur again.

Sure- I'd have no problem if he was attached to a ball and chain that weighs about 75 lbs and if he breaks loose an alarm goes off there and in the police station.

 

[Machjo]

Expensive for a length of bungee cord? :lol::lol::lol: But we don't know until we try. :lol::lol::lol: I'm not particularly in favour of molly coddling these bastards.

There's no point in making them suffer just for the sake of making them suffer. We could get more out of them by making them as comfortable as possible while still forcing them into hard labour. Besides, if they're going to work like dogs all day, a comfortable bed and healthy food would be a good idea and would pay off as an investment in the end.

 

[JLM]

I don't agree with this. It's not conducive to productive efficiency.

The most efficient thing they could do is die.

 

[Machjo]

Sure- I'd have no problem if he was attached to a ball and chain that weighs about 75 lbs and if he breaks loose an alarm goes off there and in the police station.

I was thinking of cases where for example, he was severely (and I do mean severely, beyond what he's likely to ever experience again) harassed by the victim and finally just snapped, even though all evidence suggests that he really was a softy when it came to treating people with respect otherwise, and has no other criminal record.

Such a person is not likely to re-offend under the circumstances.

 

[Machjo]

The most efficient thing they could do is die.

Well, if there is hard evidence of guilt, the military is always in need of target practice. ring in the firing squad.
The rifles an soldiers are there already; why waste more money on other killing devices?

 

[shadowshiv]

Shadowshiv, I think you're correct unless the situation arises that Tobacco use
is justified via culture or religion (Natives, etc...).

You post above brings "David Milgaard" to mind...& it took (I think) 36yrs to
straighten that one out....

David Milgaard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I disagree. Allowing a single group to have a priviledge that the others don't in prison will just aggravate the ones not allowed to have that particular "extra". No smoking should mean no smoking, all across the board.

 

[JLM]

I was thinking of cases where for example, he was severely (and I do mean severely, beyond what he's likely to ever experience again) harassed by the victim and finally just snapped, even though all evidence suggests that he really was a softy when it came to treating people with respect otherwise, and has no other criminal record.

Such a person is not likely to re-offend under the circumstances.

Okay, now we are talking something altogether different - justifiable homicide (some marriages end that way).