The definition of Liberalism

[Socrates the Greek]

liberalism is a decent philosophy, unfortunately the Liberals have warped it. We have done nothing of the sort. I don't care if you write it on the blackboard 500 times.
I posted definitions for liberalism, and you keep confusing the philosophy with the party.

69 years of Liberalism in Canada is that very sort. The philosophy is what people vote on, now if the Liberal politicians as I said have veered of course at times, change became evident. They got voted out until such time the masses realised we were better off with Liberalism. There is no need to write that on the black board 500 times. :lol:

 

[lone wolf]

Of course change becomes evident when one veers off course. Witness the Exxon Valdez....

 

[CDNBear]

69 years of Liberalism in Canada is that very sort.

Just because you wish it so, does not make it so.

The facts do not support your conclusion.

The philosophy is what people vote on, now if the Liberal politicians as I said have veered of course at times, change became evident.

And they electorate was fooled.

They got voted out until such time the masses realised we were better off with Liberalism.

We actually are better off with liberalism. Unfortunately we don't actually have a political party with liberalism as it's core belief.

There is no need to write that on the black board 500 times. :lol:

Apparently you need to, although I think it would be a waste of chalk. You haven't clue one why or what.

 

[CDNBear]

Of course change becomes evident when one veers off course. Witness the Exxon Valdez....

Ya, but when the Liberals veered that far off course, well they just didn't notice, let alone care.

 

[AnnaG]

69 years of Liberalism in Canada is that very sort.

What sort? Liberals or liberalism?

The philosophy is what people vote on,

That's what I am trying to get through your noggin, Soc. There's a big difference between general liberalism philosophy and the Liberal Party platform.

now if the Liberal politicians as I said have veered of course at times, change became evident.

Yeah change looks like change. Most of us have that figured out.

They got voted out until such time the masses realised we were better off with Liberalism. There is no need to write that on the black board 500 times. :lol:

My point went whizzing over your head by yards. You wouldn't know what you were writing on the board.

 

[DaSleeper]

As LW and I just discussed, so does shyte...:lol:

And according to some sheeple, liberal shyt don't stink.....

Nothing wrong with true liberalism....but what we have is progressives (socialists) masquerading as liberals....

 

[CDNBear]

And according to some sheeple, liberal shyt don't stink.....

The deluded oft can't, or in this case smell, the shyte for the dung heep.

Nothing wrong with true liberalism..

Nope, I'm actually a liberalism kinda guy.

..but what we have is progressives (socialists) masquerading as liberals....

Bingo!

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I'm not discussing whether some degree of regulation is desired or essential.
I was discussing the meaning of the words.

'Now, is it totally free of any regulation? No'

In other words, it's not a free market.

You are agreeing with me.

That was my point.

You are talking in trivialities here, Tenpenny. It is like asking me if I agree that 1+1 = 2. I would have thought it would be obvious that no country in the world has 100% free enterprise, totally free of regulation.

But if you want to badmouth Canada for not having 100% free enterprise, why, go right ahead. That is your right.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.

A conservative is somebody who feels deep compassion to the poor and disadvantaged of the society. He feels such deep compassion towards them that he wants to put them out of their misery by starving them, by cutting off all the government aid to them, by cutting off medical care to them.

See, you are not the only one that can make extreme statements.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

There you go....Pontificating again like your friend SPA...I have never paid so much tax as I did under Liberal governments..

That tells me that you never has so much income as you did under liberal government. One doesn't pay taxes without an income. So you are telling us that you never had it so good as you did under a Liberal government.

 

[DaSleeper]

From the pontificating master of extreme statements :grin::lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

69 years of Liberalism in Canada is that very sort. The philosophy is what people vote on, now if the Liberal politicians as I said have veered of course at times, change became evident. They got voted out until such time the masses realised we were better off with Liberalism. There is no need to write that on the black board 500 times. :lol:

That indeed is what happens. After prolonged Liberal rule, people get fed up, bored with seeing the same faces in Ottawa year after year. So they vote in Conservatives. However, after a few years of Conservative government they get so thoroughly disgusted with Conservatives, that they vote Liberals back in power, for another prolonged period.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

That indeed is what happens. After prolonged Liberal rule, people get fed up, bored with seeing the same faces in Ottawa year after year. So they vote in Conservatives. However, after a few years of Conservative government they get so thoroughly disgusted with Conservatives, that they vote Liberals back in power, for another prolonged period.

To clean up the Conservative finacial mess. :lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

And according to some sheeple, liberal shyt don't stink.....

Nothing wrong with true liberalism....but what we have is progressives (socialists) masquerading as liberals....

Nothing wrong with liberalism? Isn't that a blasphemy, coming from a conservative? Or are you saying that Harper is practicing true liberalism? That is odd, I never knew that true liberalism was associated with borrow and spend.

 

[lone wolf]

Nothing wrong with liberalism? Isn't that a blasphemy, coming from a conservative? Or are you saying that Harper is practicing true liberalism? That is odd, I never knew that true liberalism was associated with borrow and spend.

You have already announced that exaggeration is part of your debating repertoire. Why should anyone consider a word you say?

 

[DaSleeper]

And according to some sheeple, liberal shyt don't stink.....

Nothing wrong with true liberalism....but what we have is progressives (socialists) masquerading as liberals....

Emphasis For those with a reading problem and should consider going for an aeronautical intercourse on a piece of motivated Tim Horton pastry

 

[lone wolf]

Self-Centred socialists.... What's-good-for-me-is-good-for-you.

 

[TenPenny]

You are talking in trivialities here, Tenpenny. It is like asking me if I agree that 1+1 = 2. I would have thought it would be obvious that no country in the world has 100% free enterprise, totally free of regulation.

Of course it's OBVIOUS!!!! That was my point.

That's why I asked YOU for the definition of 'free market', which you gave, which is not in sync with your claim that the Liberal party supports 'free markets'. Of course it doesn't support 'free markets', NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND DOES.

That was my point. It's not trivial, it's how the world works. Words have meanings for a reason.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Of course it's OBVIOUS!!!! That was my point.

That's why I asked YOU for the definition of 'free market', which you gave, which is not in sync with your claim that the Liberal party supports 'free markets'. Of course it doesn't support 'free markets', NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND DOES.

That was my point. It's not trivial, it's how the world works. Words have meanings for a reason.

Again, depends upon what one means by 'free market'. It is generally accepted that there must be some restrictions on the free market. Within that constraint, Canada is a free market country and Liberals do believe in free market.

Again let us take the analogy of freedom of religion. Most people (maybe not you) will say that Canada has freedom of religion. But there are some obvious restrictions on it. Within that constraint (reasonable restrictions), we have freedom of religion.

I think you are just quibbling here, splitting hair.

 

[lone wolf]

Turn about is a fair play in debate, don't you think? ...and certainly a lot more honest than baffling with BS (unless its a returned item)