How many Gods do you believe in?

[Cliffy]

Believers think that civilization came out of the middle east, that their bible has some validity and the laws therein are necessary to keep people civilized. Well, the middle east is only in the middle of European trade with Asia, not the center of the world. There were civilizations in the Americas and Asia long before the Jews, the Romans or the Greeks gave up humping their sheep in the wilderness.

The aboriginal peoples of north america did not, for the most part, have written languages and thus no written laws. But they had great civilizations. So how does that fit into your argument?

Up until very recent history has there been atheists (at least anybody who was willing to jeopardize their life for admitting it). Religion has had absolute control over humanity for most of our history. I would like to know who these atheists are that started these wars you are talking about. Its the first I've ever heard of them. But then I'm not an atheist and have never bothered to look into their history.

 

[MHz]

So nobody in North America followed any sort of Law or Rules before the whiteman came with the Bible, are you really trying to pass that off as being a fact. Did each tribe have a chief or leader? That would seem to cry out for a law or rule that says do what the chief wants you to do.

This is going to be a very big surprise to you but the people who had the boats were merchants for the most part, they may have allowed Missionaries on board but the boats did not belong to the Missionaries. They were usually carrying things to other ports so they could be sold for a profit which is what the owners cared about. The guns were to protect the cargo, not some little written book. Now do you have an idea of who the atheists are.
Do you believe in God as described in the Holy Bible, if not you are an Atheist, no big deal really.

 

[scratch]

MHz,

Humongous difference between an Aboriginal Chief and a book of fantasy!

Besides the nerve of them to be on OUR land before we got here.

 

[GreenFish66]

I beleive n The #1 god....Wow a lot of religious talk latley scratch you searchin 4 the light?...Science can shed more light on these issues than religion...To a point

 

[hermanntrude]

There is exactly one God. He is The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. It's called the Trinity. Also, i believe God exists in each and every one of us. Its called your conscience.

that's quite a contradiction. you said one. then you said trinity, which implies three, then you said He exists in all of us, which implies about 6 billion plus one.

which is it?

 

[Cliffy]

So nobody in North America followed any sort of Law or Rules before the whiteman came with the Bible

MHz,

I never said they had no rules. I was implying that they didn't need to write them down as you were suggesting was part of the purpose of the bible.

Your definition of an atheist is rather christian-centric (egocentric). Many different religions believe in a god but you think only your god is the true god. Well guess what, the Muslims believe in your god too but they believe JC was just a messenger like Mohammad.

You guys think you are the center of the universe but as I said to a born againer that asked me, "But do you know jeezus?" to which I replied, "Yes and he is pissed at you!"

There is no doubt in my mind, and many others on here, that if JC exists, he musted be really ticked off at what you clowns have done with his teachings.

 

[scratch]

If you do not believe.....

 

[Cliffy]

If you do not believe.....

in what? Fairy Tales!?

"and Man created God in his own image." - Mark Twain

 

[Spade]

At least seven. I wouldn't be able to make it through the week without them. Today, I thank the Gods there's a Thor!

 

[scratch]

Mythical Gods???

 

[GreenFish66]

Keep in mind ..You can't count little green men as gods! Right?,,,,,,

Define God?

 

[Spade]

Dear Scratch,
One man's myth is another man's master!
Cousin Spade

 

[MHz]

I never said they had no rules. I was implying that they didn't need to write them down as you were suggesting was part of the purpose of the bible.

You were implying that Atheists would not need any laws because they are a benign people and everybody is quite safe from harm when they come through town.

Your definition of an atheist is rather christian-centric (egocentric). Many different religions believe in a god but you think only your god is the true god. Well guess what, the Muslims believe in your god too but they believe JC was just a messenger like Mohammad.

Actually what we call ourselves might mean very little at some point, God doesn't have to recognize Churches of brick and stone, for the last 2,000 years man's relationship to God has been in Spirit alone. That gives us a relationship with Him, anybody who has heard of God already has a relationship with Him. People will be judged by many ways, which house of stone we enter will not be part of the selection process. That means all Gentiles could be judged by any way that God chooses, He could even put men into different groups based solely on how the men thought/felt about Him. It gets better, the ones a little short on points have an short opportunity to fix that.

You guys think you are the center of the universe but as I said to a born againer that asked me, "But do you know jeezus?" to which I replied, "Yes and he is pissed at you!"

Another thing you could say is "Peace unto your House.", especially effective if his house is right there.

There is no doubt in my mind, and many others on here, that if JC exists, he musted be really ticked off at what you clowns have done with his teachings.

You are right, there will be a lot of chastising going on, still.... Now imagine what happens to the ones He turns His back too, I believe it is called a wine-press.

 

[Cliffy]

Mythical Gods???

Scratch,

Is there any other kind?

 

[Cliffy]

MHz,

I have no idea how you got the idea that I said atheists are a gentle bunch although the few that I know seem to be. You seem to paint atheists with a rather broad brush - like anybody who doesn't live on the same ward as you and your friends. Woops! They're not really your friends are they?

You see, that is the basic difference between me and you. I believe the creative force is not judgmental. It doesn't care what you believe and it is not so insecure that we need to pay homage by kissing its feet every day. There is only one judge of you and that is you. I stopped doing that a long time ago because there is nothing that I do that is wrong, it is just a learning curve.

But just say you might be right. Judgment Day comes and I have to stand before your god and account for my life. I will say that I have nothing to be ashamed of but if in your eyes (god) I have transgressed, then I contend that the fault lies with the manufacturer. If he gets upset, I will try to kill him before he can get his rocks off by throwing me into hell.

 

[GreenFish66]

Energy + info =matter....Or is that E=Mc^2...Well whatever ...anyway you look at it in the end!!!...ITt's magic!!!.Isn't it amazing what we animals turned humans are capable of!!???

This is a great discussion...I believe!...Does god exsist...yes!..cause no is too negative!..ITt'll Zap ya!!

If their is not a god we will create one..Then we'll know 4 sure if there really is one..Cause It'll Be P'Od.......Unless we create a female and god is a single Male...Then we'll have ...An apple tree...But don't eat the fruit said the snake!!...lol...???Think it goes somethin like that ..Haven't read that #1 selling book of all time in a while..Was a great read!

There are some Great minds at work on this site !...

Body of the earth ..mind of the universe...

And all that..!.

Ok..I'll stop now and go back to being a silent reader..lol....I've said enough for one day..Let the pro's continue..lol

 

[MHz]

MHz,

I have no idea how you got the idea that I said atheists are a gentle bunch although the few that I know seem to be. You seem to paint atheists with a rather broad brush - like anybody who doesn't live on the same ward as you and your friends. Woops! They're not really your friends are they?

It was your brush that gave them these attributes "I would like to know who these atheists are that started these wars you are talking about. Its the first I've ever heard of them.". Was that not meaning that there were no (or a very, very few) wars started by atheists?

You see, that is the basic difference between me and you. I believe the creative force is not judgmental. It doesn't care what you believe and it is not so insecure that we need to pay homage by kissing its feet every day. There is only one judge of you and that is you. I stopped doing that a long time ago because there is nothing that I do that is wrong, it is just a learning curve.

That learning curve is usually based on what hasn't worked (in that the first attempt at anything 'difficult' is met with failure). Only repeated attempts result in success.

You kneel once, what religion were you referencing?

But just say you might be right. Judgment Day comes and I have to stand before your god and account for my life. I will say that I have nothing to be ashamed of but if in your eyes (god) I have transgressed, then I contend that the fault lies with the manufacturer. If he gets upset, I will try to kill him before he can get his rocks off by throwing me into hell.

If that is the first time you are standing that means you have just come back from the grave or hell. This is basically the setting of the verses below and I'm not sure what you see in there that would be so upsetting.

Re:7:9:
After this I beheld,
and,
lo,
a great multitude,
which no man could number,
of all nations,
and kindreds,
and people,
and tongues,
stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Re:21:6:
And he said unto me,
It is done.
I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Slightly different events but any hostility would seem to be coming from you alone, rest easy He won't let you make a fool of yourself. Everybody there will be acting just like this.

Heb:12:11:
Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous,
but grievous:
nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Heb:12:12:
Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down,
and the feeble knees;

 

[Cliffy]

MHz,

It was your brush that gave them these attributes "I would like to know who these atheists are that started these wars you are talking about. Its the first I've ever heard of them.". Was that not meaning that there were no (or a very, very few) wars started by atheists?

No, it means I never heard of them. I was not aware that there were any atheist leaders in history. As far as I know wars were all started in the name of one god or another (they are all the same to me.)

You kneel once, what religion were you referencing?

I was raised a Catholic but I have been in Baptist, Pentecostal, Anglican, Mormon, JW, and a few others. They are all just derivatives of those that went before them.

Those passages sound really boring. The multitudes standing around all dressed the same all looking the same, feeling the same looking in wonder at the benevolence of their god. Not something I could abide. But that is not what I have against your god. It is the billions who have died and suffered in his name. An omnipotent god who allows all the murder, mayhem, pedophilia, rape, burnings is just as sick and twisted as those who perpetrated them in his name.

I see you left out all the passages in revelations pertaining to lopping off heads with his sword and all the pain and suffering that will be dealt those who don't pay homage to his greatness. Sorry, your atttempt to cover up the really nasty stuff in revelations may get you brownie points with your god, but it ain't jack to me.

 

[kalamntena]

So let me ask our practising religionist friends their opinion on the nature of the God they worship;

Some religionists claim there is only One God ("I believe in one God, creator of heaven and earth"), indivisible and sovereign; some say he has three parts -Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Does that mean three exist in one?

The RC Church has also been trying to add Mary as a "co-creationist" in the last few years - does that make four?

So, One? Three? Four?

only 1
i'll tell u a story that may answer your q
one day a man went to the hair-dresser & they were talking about God
the hair-dresser didn't believe in God & said " there's no God if he exist there would be no evils, poverty, diseases"
the man went out & said "this town has no hair-dresser , all those untidy with messed hair if there is a hair dresser the people would be more tidy "
so the dresser said" am the 1 but they don't come to me"
so the man said " same for God because people don't come to the God they suffer"



& you was asking what is the nature of the God
i believe that the God must be unique _all his characters are different from those of human beings; doesn't eat, doesn't drink, doesn't marry, doesn't die_ otherwise there will be no difference between him & us "

 

[Cliffy]

only 1
i'll tell u a story that may answer your q
one day a man went to the hair-dresser & they were talking about God
the hair-dresser didn't believe in God & said " there's no God if he exist there would be no evils, poverty, diseases"
the man went out & said "this town has no hair-dresser , all those untidy with messed hair if there is a hair dresser the people would be more tidy "
so the dresser said" am the 1 but they don't come to me"
so the man said " same for God because people don't come to the God they suffer"
& you was asking what is the nature of the God
i believe that the God must be unique _all his characters are different from those of human beings; doesn't eat, doesn't drink, doesn't marry, doesn't die_ otherwise there will be no difference between him & us "

Wow! That might explain why he is so bored that he goes around killing and maiming people just because they tick him off. Perhaps Saddam, the Marquis de Sadde, Clifford Olson, etc, were created in the image of god or perhaps were just different incarnations of this same psychopathic lunatic god.