Quoting MHz Only in your world could that work, two wrongs make two wrongs.
I think not.
So rather than civilians being killed as being 'wrong' it is only 'wrong' in certain circumstances. Would these Arab villagers feel the very same things Jews did in the Getto's in WWII? I can't see how both wouldn't be in absolute fear.
Would the million dead Iraqi civilians that are dead or maimed be a 'partial payment' for their 'alleged crimes against the US' Somebody recently cheered at the prospect that Gulf I was a reply from George for the bushwhack attempt on his daddy. lol .... hmmmm
[SIZE=+1]The Massacre at Qibya:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]14-15/10/1953 (Palestine): On the night of October 14-15, 1953 , this village was the object of a brutal "Israeli" attack which was carried out by units from the regular army as part of a pre-meditated plan and in which a variety of weapon types were used. On the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] evening of October 14, an Israeli military force estimated at about 600 soldiers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] moved toward the village. Upon arrival, it surrounded it and cordoned it off from all of[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] the other Arab villages. The attack began with concentrated, indiscriminate artillery[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] fire on the homes in the village. This continued until the main force reached the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] outskirts of the village. Meanwhile, other forces headed for nearby Arab towns such[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] as Shuqba, Badrus and Na'lin in order to distract them and prevent any aid from[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] reaching the people in Qibya. They also planted mines on various roads so as to[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] isolate the village completely. As units of the Israeli infantry were attacking the village[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] residents, units of military engineers were placing explosives around some of the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] houses in the village and blowing them up with everyone in them under the protection[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] of the infantrymen, who fired on everyone who tried to flee. These acts of brutality[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] continued until 4:00 a.m., October 15, 1953, at which time the enemy forces[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] withdrew to the bases from which they had begun.16 There was a particular sight the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] memory of which remained in the minds of all who saw it: an Arab woman sitting on a[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] pile of debris and casting a forlorn look into the sky. From beneath the rubble one[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] could see small legs and hands which were the remains of her six children, while the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] bullet-maimed body of her husband lay in the road before her.17[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] This vicious terrorist attack resulted in the destruction of 56 houses, the village[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] mosque, the village school and the water tank which supplied it with water. Moreover,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] 67 citizens lost their lives, both men and women, with many others wounded.18[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Terrorist Ariel Sharon, the commander of the "101" unit which undertook the terrorist[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] aggression, stated that his leaders' orders had been clear with regard to how the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] residents of the village were to be dealt with. He says, "The orders were utterly clear:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] Qibya was to be an example to everyone."19[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]KAFR QASEM MASSACRE:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]On October 29, 1956 (Palestine): the day on which Israel launched its assault on Egypt , units of Israel Frontier guards started at 4:00 PM what they called a tour of the Triangle Villages. They told the Mukhtars (Aldermen) of those villages that the curfew from that day onwards was to start from 5:00 PM instead of the usual 6:00 PM, and that the inhabitants are requested to stay home. The Mukhtar (Alderman) protested that there were about 400 villagers working outside the village and there was not enough time to inform them of the new times. An officer assured him that they will be taken care of.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Meanwhile, the officers positioned themselves at the village entrance. At about 4.55 PM, unaware of the ambush awaiting them, the innocent farmers started flocking in after a hard day of work. The Israeli soldiers started stepping out of their military trucks and ordered the villagers to line up. Then the officer in charge screamed "REAP THEM," and the soldiers[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]riddled the bodies of the Palestinian villagers with bullets in cold blood. With the massacre practically over, the soldiers moved around finishing off whoever still had a pulse in him.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]The government of Israel took great pains to hide the truth, but after the investigation was concluded, Ben Gurion, the Israeli Prime Minister, announced that some people in the Triangle had been injured by thefrontier guards. The press also was part of the conspiracy to cover up the incident. The Hebrew press wrote about a "mistake?" and a "misfortune" , when it mentioned the victims, and it was difficult to tell whom it meant.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]More absurd than the trial of accomplices was their light sentences. The court found Major Meilinki and Lt. Daham guilty of killing 43 people and sentenced the former to 17 years and the latter to 15 years. What was remarkable about the Israeli official attitude was that various authorities competed to lighten the killer's sentences. Finally, the committee for the release of prisoners ordered the remission of a third of the prison sentence of all those who were convicted. In September 1960, Daham was appointed in the municipality of the city of Ramle as officer for the Arab Affairs.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]Khan Yunis Massacre:[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]3/11/1956 (Palestine): Another massacre is committed on November 3, 1956 when the Israelis occupy the town of Khan Yunis and the adjacent refugee camp. The Israelis claim that there was[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]resistance, but the refugees state that all resistance had ceased when the Israelis arrived and that all of the victims were unarmed civilians.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Many homes in Khan Yunis are raided at random. Corpses lie everywhere and because of the curfew no one could go out to bury them. (An UNRWA investigation later found that the Israelis at Khan Yunis and therefugee camp had murdered 275 civilians that day ).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]After the Israelis withdrew from Gaza under American pressure, a mass grave[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]was unearthed at Khan Yunis in March 1957. The grave contained the bodies[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]of forty Arabs who had been shot in the back of the head after their hands[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]had been tied.[/SIZE][SIZE=-2]("IMPERIAL ISRAEL", Michael Palumbo; London; Bloomsbury Publishing; 1990 pp. 30 - 32, citing UN General Assembly: Official Record, 11th session supplement, nop.)[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]The Massacre in Gaza City:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]5/4/1956 (Palestine):On the evening of Thursday, April 5, 1956, Zionist occupation forces fired 20-mm mortar artillery on the city of Gaza. The shelling was concentrated against the city center, which was teaming with civilians going about their day-to-day affairs.29 Most of the shelling was directed against Mukhtar Street, Palestine Square and nearby streets, as well as the Shuja'iyya district.30 As a result of this terrorist massacre carried out by gangs belonging to the Zionist Army against the Palestinian people, 56 people were killed and 103 were injured, the victims including men, women and children. Some of the wounded died subsequently, bringing the death toll to 60,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0] including 27 women, 29 men and 4 children.31[/SIZE]
Quote: The US had a policy to genocide the Native people of their land, the SS probably took some of their method as SOP when dealing with an unwanted population.
Try staying focused.
Same policy, the 'Merchants" brought inn the settlers to do the dirty work, rewarded then while the land was being raped (made useless) and then abandoned when it was complete, leaving the remnants of the settlers here, in graves.
Quote:Connecting Egypt to the SS is an attempt to prevent Israel being compared. All you need to do is make up a long accurate list of things the SS
and the Nazis did while rounding up all civilians from about 1930 to 1945. Compare acts committed by the US (global military acts), Israel, and Egypt, that used military type force to achieve their objectives that used methods that were used in WWII.
And still nothing compares to the acts the Nazi's perpetrated.
of So now it is the size of the massacre, if it is under 100 at a time it's allright, whoops seems like they are pushiing for that number to be pushed up to 1400 and nobody does anything
Quote: Not on the scale as Hitler's team did it but the same principle is there.
Nice back peddle and justification.
Burning down the Gov headquarters was their biggest, graffiti (posters, articles in newspapers) would be the equivalent, that is what I meant by scale.
It could be taken to mean frequency also, I don't know how that would compare, other than it would have existed.
Quote: That is another thing that should be defined a little clearer, is being a Nazi determined by the way an act is committed or based on the number of dead some act caused.
No, being a Nazi, or nazi-esque, is when you promote or support in anyway, the extermination of an entire people. As the Arab states do for Israel. As eao and yourself do, by supporting Arab states, pro terrorist regimes and so on.
I think you might be projecting past the point of reality. I can only speak for myself and you are not my spokesperson. Provide a link to a post where I have called for the extermination of the Jews. You just posted that it was a 'fact', now show the proof.
Several times I have said giving them a 'safe-zone' in the world is a great idea, the place chosen was voted on as not being safe by the 10 Nations that live right there. How odd that those same 10 have either been bought off by 'donations' from NATO countries or are classified as Israel's enemies. Would Israel come right and say because you voted against us we are going to kill you. The last 70 years is nothing to them, they would gladly fight anoter 70 if it acheived that goal.
Quote: Gathering a number of civilians together and then killing them is what a Nazi does, right?
Right, just like the Arabs want to do with the Jews.
No just like the Israeli's
have done to the Arabs. Certainly the Arabs should be held accountable for their action during that same time-frame. If both sides are accountable then one side cannot say it should be forced to 'defend itself at a war-crimes trial'. Includes having people being arrestyed and locked up for the duration. Their necks are on the line.
If UN troops surrounded Washingtoom DC the people of the country would just wonder when the change in paint happened to
their forces.
Quote: There are lists out there that track stuff like that, if it shows the US has killed some in that fashion does that make them capable of acting like a Nazi?
Not at all, they do not have a systematic policy of executing entire peoples.
Quote: If Israel does the same acts as they complain about being subjected to in WWII then why can it not be labeled as being Nazi like act?
Because they haven't done such a thing. As has been proven time and time again.
Jews were not the only civilians rounded up and sent to the Nazi detention/extermination/slave labor camps. Would you like a sample list of what are called Palestinian refugee camps, I believe Gaza is the largest one.
Jordan
There are ten refugee camps in
Jordan.
Yasser Arafat's
Fatah movement gained many recruits from the residents of those overcrowded camps who launched
guerilla attacks into Israel in the 1960s.
[2]
- 1955, Amman New Camp (Wihdat), 49,805
- 1968, Baqa'a, 80,100
- 1968, Husn (Martyr Azmi el-Mufti), 19,573
- 1968, Irbid camp, 23,512
- 1952, Jabal el-Hussein, 27,674
- 1968, Jerash camp, 15,696
- 1968, Marka, 41,237
- 1967, Souf, 14,911
- 1968, Talbieh, 4,041
- 1949, Zarqa camp, 17,344
[edit] Lebanon
The total number of registered refugees in
Lebanon is 409,714.
[1] There are 12 official camps with 225,125 refugees.
The Palestinians' Lebanese camps became
ghettos as the Palestinians were barred from citizenship, finding certain jobs, or traveling abroad.
[3] Some of these refugee camps, overcrowded and filled with angry refugees, helped seed the beginnings of
Yasser Arafat's
Fatah group;
guerilla attacks on Israel were launched from some of the Palestinian camps in Lebanon.
[2]
Following major armed conflict in one camp in 2007, the Lebanese government sought greater input into the rebuilding of the camp, and in the camp's ongoing management. The government wanted the ability to intervene in the future, and to exercise police powers there instead of the Palestinian armed forces that had policed the camp previously.
[3]
- 1955, Beddawi, 15,695
- 1948, Burj el-Barajneh, 19,526[2][3]
- 1955, Burj el-Shemali, 18,134
- 1956, Dbayeh, 4,223
- Dikwaneh, destroyed
- 1948, Ein el-Hilweh, 44,133
- 1948, El-Buss, 9,840
- Jisr el-Basha, destroyed
- 1952, Mar Elias, 1,406
- 1954, Mieh Mieh, 5,078
- Nabatieh camp, destroyed in 1973
- 1949, Nahr al-Bared, 28,358 destroyed in 2007
- 1963, Rashidieh, 24,679
- Sabra destroyed
- 1949, Shatila, 11,998
- 1948, Wavel, 7,357
[edit] Syria
Syria has 10 official camps with 119,776 refugees.
- 1950, Dera'a, 5,916
- 1967, Dera'a (Emergency), 5,536
- 1950, Hama, 7,597
- 1949, Homs, 13,825
- 1948, Jaramana, 5,007
- 1950, Khan Dunoun, 8,603
- 1949, Khan Eshieh, 15,731
- 1948, Neirab, 17,994
- 1967, Qabr Essit, 16,016
- 1948, Sbeineh, 19,624
Additional unofficial camps in Syria:
[edit] West Bank
The
West Bank has 19 official camps with 194,514 refugees.
- 1950, Aida, 4,151
- 1949, Am'ari, 8,083
- 1948, Aqabat Jabr, 5,197
- 1950, Arroub, 9,180
- 1950, Askar, 13,894
- 1950, Balata, 41,681
- 1950, Beit Jibrin ('Azza), 1,828
- 1950, Camp No.1 (Ein Beit al-Ma'), 6,221
- 1949, Deir Ammar, 2,189
- 1949, Dheisheh, 10,923
- 1948, Ein as-Sultan, 1,888
- 1949, Far'a, 11,836
- 1949, Fawwar, 7,072
- 1949, Jalazone, 9,284
- 1953, Jenin, 35,050
- 1949, Kalandia, 9,188
- 1952, Nur Shams, 8,179
- 1965, Shu'fat, 9,567
- 1950, Tulkarm, 11,259
[edit] Gaza Strip
The
Gaza Strip has eight official camps with 478,854 refugees.
- 1948, Beach camp (Shati), 76,109
- 1949, Bureij, 30,059
- 1948, Deir el-Balah camp, 20,188
- 1948, Jabalia (Jabaliya), 103,646
- 1949, Khan Yunis, 60,662
- 1949, Maghazi, 22,536
- 1949, Nuseirat, 64,233
- 1949, Rafah camp, 90,638
[edit] References
- ^ UNRWA
alestine Refugees (English)
- ^ a b The Mideast: A Century of Conflict Part 4: The 1967 Six Day War, NPR morning edition, October 3, 2002. URL accessed December 28, 2008.
- ^ a b Palestinians' bittersweet homecoming in Lebanon By William Wheeler, Christian Science Monitor, 3/5/08.
Quote: The same methods will be used again and again.
Yes, because people like you keep supporting the Nazi ideology.
Which post(s)would that be in? This post has you saying a Nazis is after the extermination of the Jews (alone, you didn't mention anybody but them), this statement would seem to mean you have proof that I have said I am for the extermination of all Jews. Their 'special' status has to be exterminated.
Their breaches in 'war-crimes' since October of '47 and that have never stopped even to this day should be dealt with by the 33 countries that voted for the creation of that State. The document that Canada signed said the people living there could not be up rooted by force and all land that became Israel (annexed by the UN) was to be purchased. That would include public and private land. There was no empty land, If the land did not have a person waving a 'flag' then it became part of the Nation of Palestine. When a city annexes land it is empty of people, they still purchase it from somebody, if no person can show title then it belongs to the 'rulers of the land'. That would be the trust fund that would belong to the Government of the 'now smaller' Palestine.
