A guide for guidance: how to choose your doctrine

Northboy

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· The word قرآن i.e. Quran is derived from the word قرأ i.e. recite or dictate.

The Quran is that which Gabriel recited or dictated to Prophet Mohammed, then the Prophet recited to his people and ordered them to write it down.

So after writing it down it became كتاب i.e. book or scripture or writings.

Therefore, before writing it down, it cannot be called a written book; but only after writing it down it became a written book.

This is in the Quran 27: 6 about the Quran as dictated by Gabriel to Mohammed:

وَإِنَّكَ لَتُلَقَّى الْقُرْآنَ مِن لَّدُنْ حَكِيمٍ عَلِيمٍ

The explanation:
([O Mohammed, surely] you are given the Quran [: Gabriel dictates and teaches it to you] from a Most Wise, All-Knowing [God.])

While the aya 2: 1-2 speaks about the written ayat of the Quran which Mohammed's comrades or companions wrote on the parchments and any available writing materials.

الم .ذَلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ

The explanation:
(Alif, Lam, Miem.
The explanation: (Recite To them, O Mohammed!)
That Scripture, whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who ward off [God's punishment.])

"That Scripture" points out to the ayat that were revealed before this soora, and his comrades had written it down.

· On the other hand, the Christ – salam be to him – said in the Gospel: "He who has ears, let him hear" which does not mean: do not write down the revelations; on the contrary God inspired the disciples following the death of Jesus to write down the Gospel and they wrote it.

And this is in the Quran 69: 12

لِنَجْعَلَهَا لَكُمْ تَذْكِرَةً وَتَعِيَهَا أُذُنٌ وَاعِيَةٌ

The explanation:
(To make that [event of the safety of Noah and the believers with him in the Ark] an admonition for you, and that the retentive ear may receive it.)

The أُذُنٌ وَاعِيَةٌmeans: the ear that listens and receives the admonition.



Hmmm...so you are not supposed to recite rhe Koran to others???You are supposed to blast it all over the internet???? I think not.

Oh, I have a the Arabic version of my name now. I suppose because He has me talking to you.

Does Al Yasa resonate with you??????
 

Northboy

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On the other hand, the Christ – salam be to him – said in the Gospel: "He who has ears, let him hear" which does not mean: do not write down the revelations; on the contrary God inspired the disciples following the death of Jesus to write down the Gospel and they wrote it.

The gospels were not written down by the apostles. They were made up three hundred years after JC was supposedly on earth. The Quran is probably of the same origin (fabricated by man). Mohammed made the whole thing upso he could control his people. He ripped it off from the catholic church and modified it to make it appear original.

No Cliffy, Mohammed was visited by Gabriel for God's good purpose.

As far as the Bible, you'd better do a little more research and especially about the medieval Hebrew Knights, the Princes of Jerusalem that left the middle east in the Dispora after the crucifiction....

That's a whole other thread.
 

AnnaG

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Anyway, I don't need a guide for guidance and I can choose my own doctrine without help from others. least of whom the ones that haven't much grasp on reality. :)
 

eanassir

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The gospels were not written down by the apostles. They were made up three hundred years after JC was supposedly on earth.

The first Gospel was written by the disciples (called the apostles of Jesus) following his death (after he escaped the plot of his enemies :lol: )


Then that first Gospel was lost, and these nowadays available gospels are not the original which had been lost; these contemporary gospels are even the translation from Greek or Lattin source.


The Quran is probably of the same origin (fabricated by man). Mohammed made the whole thing up
so he could control his people. He ripped it off from the catholic church and modified it to make it appear original.

This is your obvious lie to which you have no proof other than your hatred and rancor; and I tell you the Children of Israel denied their own prophets, killed some of them and persecuted others; then will such people believe in a prophet: one of the Arab ? :cool:

This is in the Quran 2: 75

أَفَتَطْمَعُونَ أَن يُؤْمِنُواْ لَكُمْ وَقَدْ كَانَ فَرِيقٌ مِّنْهُمْ يَسْمَعُونَ كَلاَمَ اللّهِ ثُمَّ يُحَرِّفُونَهُ مِن بَعْدِ مَا عَقَلُوهُ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ

The explanation:
(Have you [Muslims] any hope that they [Jews]may believe [and resign] to you
when a party of them used to listen to the word of God [the Commandments and the Law],
then used to pervert it [by giving it different meaning and interpreting it in other ways] knowingly, after having understood it?)
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Therefore, if a people act like this towards their own prophets, how will they believe in a prophet: Mohammed, one of the Arab?
http://www.quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm
 
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eanassir

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Hmmm...so you are not supposed to recite rhe Koran to others???You are supposed to blast it all over the internet???? I think not.

Oh, I have a the Arabic version of my name now. I suppose because He has me talking to you.

I like to transmit the recitation of the Quran to others, particularly the ayat which I mention in my posts, that they may hear in addition to read them, but I have yet no experience in this respect. Can I give the audio with each aya that I mention in my posts?

Although this is in the Quran 26: 198-199
وَلَوْ نَزَّلْنَاهُ عَلَى بَعْضِ الْأَعْجَمِينَ . فَقَرَأَهُ عَلَيْهِم مَّا كَانُوا بِهِ مُؤْمِنِينَ ..الخ
The explanation:
(But had We revealed [the Quran] to one of the non-Arab.

And [this man] had rehearsed it to them, they would not have believed in it.[because they do not understand the non-Arab language.]

[As if the Quran was non-Arabic]; as such have We made it traverse the hearts of the guilty. [we let them not to understand it as if it is non-Arabic.]

[Who] will not believe in [the Quran] until they see the painful chastisement.

And the [death] will come upon them suddenly, while they are not aware.

They will – then – say: "Shall we be respited?")

http://www.quran-ayat.com/

Does Al Yasa resonate with you??????

Al Yasa, or Elisha or Eliseus is اليسع in Arabic; he was a prophet of the Children of Israel, and was the disciple of Prophet Elia or Elijah.

 
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Northboy

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I asked Dexter if he could give as accurate and succinct distinction between "Jew" and "Israeli" as he did for "Islam" and "Muslim". Clear yet?

Is this for me? Sorry.

"Jew" would be wannabes, trying with all their dear hearts to make their blood his blood through device and action. Thet adhere to God's Laws (ie. try to get you to manipulate cause and effect in a manner that allows them to adhere to written scripture and as such qualify for God's grace. The Book of Edsra mentions this as one of the paths that can find God's favour and thus His blessing.) By nature they'll always search for a guide.


An Israeli would by definition be "Of the Blood", that is the bloodlines of the Hebrew, specifically Hebrew. They can go about froliccing in the spiritual garden as much as they want, exploring,etc., as they have God's (The Father's Spiritual DNA) no matter what they say, they always come out on top. Their His children. What they have to do is learn the ways of Christ on this earth, it does, as you would expect, lead to the path out of this mess. The dead sea scrolls alluded to one of them being "lit up" as necessary for the preservation of the Homeland.

Just so we get this straight, if you don't already know, there is more of the old family blood coursing the veins of Canada than any nation on Earth ..Just so you know who you are.
 

AnnaG

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Nevermind, I'll do an accurate and succinct description:
a Jew is a self-proclaimed descendant of Jacob. An Israeli is a native of Israel.