Health Care Summit

DaSleeper

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I'm stealing a page out of JBee's C/P book:lol:

WHAT PART OF 'PARTY OF NO' DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
February 24, 2010


Inasmuch as Obamacare has a snowball's chance in hell of passing (but did you see how much snow they got in hell last week?), everyone is wondering what President Obama is up to by calling Republicans to a televised Reykjavik summit this week to discuss socializing health care.

At least they served beer at the last White House summit this stupid and pointless.

If the president is serious about passing nationalized health care, he ought to be meeting with the Democrats, not the Republicans.

Republicans can't stop the Democrats from socializing health care: They are a tiny minority party in both the House and the Senate. (Note to America: You might want to keep this in mind next time you go to the polls.)

As the Democratic base has been hysterically pointing out, both the House and the Senate have already passed national health care bills. Either body could vote for the other's bill, and -- presto! -- Obama would have a national health care bill, replete with death panels, abortion coverage and lots and lots of new government commissions!

Sadly, as the president's Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has noted, the Democratic base is "@#$%^ retarded."

The reason massive Democratic majorities in Congress aren't enough to pass socialist health care is AMERICANS DON'T WANT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!

In fact, you might say that the nation is in a boiling cauldron of rage against it. Consequently, a lot of Democrats are suddenly having second thoughts about vast new government commissions regulating every aspect of Americans' medical care.

Obama isn't stupid -- he's not seriously trying to get a health care bill passed. The whole purpose of this public "summit" with the minority party is to muddy up the Republicans before the November elections. You know, the elections Democrats are going to lose because of this whole health care thing.

Right now, Americans are hopping mad, swinging a stick and hoping to hit anyone who so much as thinks about nationalizing health care.

If they could, Americans would cut the power to the Capitol, throw everyone out and try to deport them. (Whereas I say: Anyone in Washington, D.C., who can produce an original copy of a valid U.S. birth certificate should be allowed to stay.)

But the Democrats think it's a good strategy to call the Republicans "The Party of No." When it comes to Obamacare, Americans don't want a party of "No," they want a party of "Hell, No!" or, as Rahm Emanuel might say, "*&^%$#@ No!"

It's as if the patient has a minor fever and the Democrats (as doctor in this example) want to cut off his arms and legs. The Republicans want to give the patient two aspirin. "Compromise" means the Republicans agree to amputate only one arm and one leg.

Complaining that Republicans are "obstructionists" is not a damaging charge when most Americans are dying to obstruct the Democrats with a 2-by-4. While you're at it, Democrats, why not call the GOP the "Party of Brave Patriots"?

So Obama's sole objective at the "summit" is to hoodwink Republicans into agreeing with some of his wildly unpopular ideas on national TV. If this were a reality show on NBC, it would be called, "Dateline: To Catch a R.I.N.O."

This shouldn't be hard, inasmuch as he will be talking to elected Republicans. About a third of them were enthusiastically engaging in "bipartisanship" on Obamacare last year -- Chuck Grassley, you know who you are! (That's better than Lindsey Graham, who still wants to compromise.)

And then the American people spoke up.

In town halls and tea parties across the nation, Obama lost the argument with Americans. So now he wants a debating partner who will be less challenging: elected Republicans.

If Republicans were smart, they'd shock the world by sending in one of their most appealing members of Congress, who can speak clearly on health care -- Sen. Jon Kyl, Rep. Steve King or Rep. Ron Paul.
Actually, if the Republicans were really smart, they'd send in 14-year-old Jonathan Krohn, who understands the free market better than most people in Washington. Of course, so does my houseplant.

There are other important points Republicans cannot raise often enough -- such as putting scuzzy medical malpractice lawyers like John Edwards out of business. OK, that wasn't fair: Even trial lawyers are almost never as scuzzy as John Edwards. We want to put them all out of business.

But there's really only one idea the Republicans must cling to -- like they're clinging to their guns and religion! -- in order to resist agreeing to something moronic and losing their advantage as Americans' only allies in Washington.

Please, Republicans, remember the free market -- the same free market that gave us cheap cell phones, computers, flat-screen TVs, and stylish, affordable eyeglasses in about an hour.

Congress needs to outlaw state and federal mandates on insurance companies and allow interstate competition in health insurance.

The end.

Love, the American People.
 

GreenFish66

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Planning final push to pass Obama's bill, Democrats look beyond televised session with GOP | Markets | Market News | Canadian Business Online

Universal / Public heatlh Care option is the only cure to what ails the U.S. ( Money grabbin'/ uncaring) Insurance Companies/Corrupt Drug pushin' Drs.( with respect to the majority of caring ,professional Drs.)...

The meeting between the rep and Dem ..Will be on for 6 hrs today if anyone cares to watch the Political Battle ..8O:)..Let's hope they can all get along long enough to actually do something positive for "The People"...For a change..


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DaSleeper

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A good photo-op for President Obama and a chance for Republican Bashing but it is still the Democrats that couldn't get together to pass it...
It's also a good place to tell anecdotal stories about this one or that one that suffered because they couldn't get health care:roll:
 

SirJosephPorter

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Republicans can get away by being the party of ‘no’ in 2010 elections. Mid term elections are usually referendums on the governing party, mainly the president’s party. President’s party usually suffers heavy losses in mid term elections.

So this year Republicans can get away by being a party of ‘no’. However, I expect it will seriously hurt them at the polls in 2012. That time being a party of ‘no’ won’t be sufficient. Republicans will have to articulate a vision for the country, will have to outline what they intend to do, what they intend to implement.

And that is where the problem will emerge. Right now all the Republican factions are united by the hatred of Obama. Once they start outlining their program in 2012, that is when the problems will arise. Hatred of Obama won’t be enough.

Do they push for doctrinaire tax cuts? If so, do they tolerate even higher deficits? Do they continue the push to ban abortion, to ban homosexuality? When a conservative Republican made anti-gay comments at a recent CPAC meeting, he was greeted by boos by many Tea Party supporters.

The schisms in the Republican Party will be evident in 2012. Right now, they can be a party of no, simply oppose anything that Democrats want to do and that will be enough.

Incidentally if the patient has a fever, the Republican solution is not to give him two aspirins. Republican solution is to send him to insurance companies (or ask him to shop around with different insurance companies for the best deal, after all that is who free enterprise works), Republicans like the current health care system just fine.

No doubt there are some Canadian here who look enviously across the border and with that we had American style of health care here in Canada.
 

AnnaG

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No Party Affiliation? Funny. I can say I'm a fat, bald, 100 year old man, too, but that doesn't make it true. lmao

I hope whatever happens, that the USA (as well as Canada) smartens up eventually and develop better healthcare. Both systems need a lot of work.
 

Bar Sinister

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Americans don't want socialized medicine? Then what do they think Medicare is? Did the Republicans even know that they were holding antimedicare summit in the state with the most highly socialized health care system in the US? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/17/health/policy/17hawaii.html

The fact is the US already has socialized medicine in almost every state. The problem is that is does not go far enough and thus fails to provided adequate and continuous coverage to many Americans. The result - the US ranks close to last among nations considered to be modern in terms of the health of its citizens.
 

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Ever wonder how much cheaper it would be just to include those 40 million or so unemployed in the Medicare system. If as they say that there is 1/3 of the money allocated to Medicare being wasted. Close the loopholes, monitor what is being spent more closely and there we have health care for everyone being paid for without a increase in taxes. As for everyone else, there working and can buy their own health insurance at a minimum price that would be goverment controlled or pay out of their own pockets for a more premium package. The cost to the taxpayers would be millions, not trillions of dollars. It is not so much socialized medicine (although the word socialist is BAD) that we object to as it is letting the government control our health system. Look at Medicare, yes it works but has its faults in that 1/3 of the money is wasted, the postal service, even though it is on its own, the governmet still controls it and it is almost bankrupt. To take from Ron Paul Our Government can't even run a who house....


Back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed and it closed. Now we are trusting the economy of our country to a pack of nit-wits who couldn't make money running a who house and selling booze?​



 
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EagleSmack

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Medicare is poorly run by the government. Now they want to run the whole business.

Again...if this Obamacare is so wonderful and needed, surely the US Congress will give up their own plan and become a part of Obamacare. :lol:
 

EagleSmack

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The fact is the US already has socialized medicine in almost every state. The problem is that is does not go far enough and thus fails to provided adequate and continuous coverage to many Americans. The result - the US ranks close to last among nations considered to be modern in terms of the health of its citizens.

In your fantasy world. We don't have socialized medicine for all but people from all over the world, including Canada, come to the US for medical treatment.
 

Avro

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Medicare is poorly run by the government. Now they want to run the whole business.

Again...if this Obamacare is so wonderful and needed, surely the US Congress will give up their own plan and become a part of Obamacare. :lol:


Red herring.

Except of course the care given by the military right?

Remember we went down this road before and you ran away from it.

I already know what your position is on this subject....their is no problem because it doesn't affect you.

However, if you do admit serious problems with the system in the states I am willing to hear what your own solutions are.

Btw the top 20 countries in health have government involvement.
 

ironsides

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No, not the military. Most military personnel lose their medical benefits when they are discharged, unless they retire after 20 years or on becoming disabled. Most go back to finding their own source of medical care. Medicare again doesn't come into effect till one reaches age 62, 65 or again they become disabled.
 

EagleSmack

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Red herring.

Yeah yeah. Its true though is it not?

Except of course the care given by the military right?

How many times do we have to go over this? I am not in the military. I am a Military Veteran and once you leave the military your health care stops.

I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield Health Care for which I pay a portion and my employer pays a portion. It is a group health care plan.

Remember we went down this road before and you ran away from it.

No I don't actually.

I already know what your position is on this subject....their is no problem because it doesn't affect you.

However, if you do admit serious problems with the system in the states I am willing to hear what your own solutions are.

Having the government take of the health care system is not the answer because we are already in debt and it will cost us trillions more in debt. They should probably cut fraud down and some regulations but for them to just blanket everything will only lead to more problems.

And listen to you. You think the US Govt. is run by idiots. However you think they will be able to get this right?

Btw the top 20 countries in health have government involvement.

Good for them. They also have high taxes and the burden will fall on the middle class as always.
 

EagleSmack

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No, not the military. Most military personnel lose their medical benefits when they are discharged, unless they retire after 20 years or on becoming disabled. Most go back to finding their own source of medical care. Medicare again doesn't come into effect till one reaches age 62, 65 or again they become disabled.

I've explained that to him more than once that I was out of the military.
 

YukonJack

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"Americans don't want socialized medicine? Then what do they think Medicare is?"

Medicare is for Americans, over 65 years of age, who are, presumably and more than likely, no longer in the workforce.

For anyone still working and not have medical insurance is either thinking that nothing can happen to them or they can always go to emergency is irresponsible to the nth degree.

Responsible Americans DO have medical insurance, paid for by themselves, or with their own contributions, by their employers.
 

Avro

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No, not the military. Most military personnel lose their medical benefits when they are discharged, unless they retire after 20 years or on becoming disabled. Most go back to finding their own source of medical care. Medicare again doesn't come into effect till one reaches age 62, 65 or again they become disabled.

Yeah, I already knew this.

My reference was to the type of care they get under the government plan.
 

Avro

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"Americans don't want socialized medicine? Then what do they think Medicare is?"

Medicare is for Americans, over 65 years of age, who are, presumably and more than likely, no longer in the workforce.

For anyone still working and not have medical insurance is either thinking that nothing can happen to them or they can always go to emergency is irresponsible to the nth degree.

Responsible Americans DO have medical insurance, paid for by themselves, or with their own contributions, by their employers.

Except for the ones that can't afford it or the ever increasing amount of the middle class who can't either because of high costs. Even buisnesses are pulling back from insuring their employees.
 

YukonJack

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If anyone ever needed proof that Obama is a belligerent bully, a petulant punk and an egotistial elf, this "summit" was IT.
 

Bar Sinister

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In your fantasy world. We don't have socialized medicine for all but people from all over the world, including Canada, come to the US for medical treatment.

Sadly the statistics regarding US health care are all too true. The US ranks only 49th in life expectancy largely as a result of a health care system that does not do its job. It is true that the system works very well for those who have money, including wealthy foreigners, but few Americans seem to realize how many Americans head for other nations in search of cheaper medical care, including a number of pretend Canadians. The US ranks number one in health care costs per capita, but that huge expenditure leaves at least 15% of its population without any health coverage at all; and many millions more with inadequate health care. In addition, many Americans suddenly find their health care terminated when illness strikes and many others find that they are hit with ruinous increases in the rates they must pay for health care if they dare to actually get sick. And here is the really bad news. The US system which now sucks up 16% of GNP, but this number is expected to increase to about 24% in the next decade. Happy bankruptcy, USA.

Here are some statistics comparing the US to other nations in areas indicative of the quality of heath care.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

Per capita total expenditure on health in international dollars (most recent) by country

U.S. Health Care Costs: Background Brief