1895 school exam, are we dumb?

[JLM]

Has anyone mentioned Diamond drillers? Some diamond drillers make way more money then a gold geologist

Is that from their pay cheque or what they walk out with stashed in their lunch buckets? Ha ha only joking.................:lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[JLM]

Science and technology are the two most important pieces, JLM, without them very little would make sense. If you want to use the jig saw puzzle analogy, then science and technology would be two crucial pieces, without which you won’t be able to put together the puzzle. They are more important pieces than say part of the sky or part of the grass etc.

All kind of people, all kind of professions are important for the proper functioning of the society. However, without science and technology, there are no advances.

Indeed, even before enlightenment, when science took off in a big way, we had plumbers, cooks etc for thousands of years. Society remained at subsistence farming level for thousands of years. When science and technology took off, when there were important advances in both, that is when the society came out of subsistence farming level and proceeded on to industrial age, computer age, information age etc. (and soon to come, nanotechnology age).

Without science and technology none of it was possible. They are the two most important pieces when it comes to advancement of society. Without science and technology most of us would still be farmers, trying to barely eke out a living from the land. Population of the world may be less than a billion, and not more than six billion.

I give up, your obtuseness is astounding.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Without science there would be no genocide, no concentration camps, no biological weapons, no atomic bombs and no machine guns. There is no greater servant of evil than modern science. Science and technology have made no advance whatever against poverty ignorance or disease. There has never in all recorded history been so much poverty and want as there is in our world today.

Religion is right, because it is science ... and science is wrong, because it is religion.
"Myth is born from science." -- Charles F. Dupuis, polymath,

Really? There can be no genocide without science? What Crusades did almost amounted to genocide, which scientific advances did they use in Crusades?

And why wouldn’t a concentration camp be possible without science? What scientific miracles did Hitler use to kill 6 million Jews?

As to biological weapons, atom bombs etc., you may have a point. But again one has to look at the overall results, and the overall result is very good indeed. Without science and technology, we would be stuck in pre-industrial revolution age.

When one weighs good against bad, science and technology come out ahead big time.

 

[Johnnny]

Is that from their pay cheque or what they walk out with stashed in their lunch buckets? Ha ha only joking.................:lol::lol::lol::lol:

lol, some drillers make a killing and some dont even have their highscool

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I give up, your obtuseness is astounding.

You mean my logic is impeccable. Do you deny that without science and technology we would be stuck in pre-industrial revolution, subsistence farming society?

 

[Johnnny]

Some of the greatist scientists were farmers,

James Hutton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JLM]

S.J. You obviously overlook the people with a grade school education who have patented scientific and mechanical inventions.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Some of the greatist scientists were farmers,

James Hutton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quite so. Some of them even were clerks in patent office.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

S.J. You obviously overlook the people with a grade school education who have patented scientific and mechanical inventions.

OK, but doesn't that make them scientists and inventors? So where is the problem?

 

[darkbeaver]

Really? There can be no genocide without science? What Crusades did almost amounted to genocide, which scientific advances did they use in Crusades?

And why wouldn’t a concentration camp be possible without science? What scientific miracles did Hitler use to kill 6 million Jews?

As to biological weapons, atom bombs etc., you may have a point. But again one has to look at the overall results, and the overall result is very good indeed. Without science and technology, we would be stuck in pre-industrial revolution age.

When one weighs good against bad, science and technology come out ahead big time.

You don't know when science began or what it is. Siege engines, gun powder, greek fire, steel, compound bows and all the way to how and what they wound the bowstrings with. SJP, flint arrowheads are a product of fine science, war paint, science the parchments for the engine plans, science. Science has been with mankind for a very very long time.

 

[CDNBear]

Hey CDNBear, I am (being almost computer illiterate and possibly not so "smart" either) am not cognizant of the use of this function. Perhaps you could put on a clinic for us. Thanks.

No need for a clinic, the "multiquote" button is right next to the "quote" button, in the bottom right hand corner of the post box.

It's real simple.

 

[TenPenny]

As to foreign trained engineers, are you saying that they don't require a college degree?

An engineer can be registered as a PEng by passing exams to prove qualifications, without having a degree. It is rare but not impossible; there are extensive exams to be written

If a foreign trained engineer comes from a recognized / accredited university, there are certain examinations that have to be written, but not to the same extent.

If they have a degree from a NON ACCREDITED university, the requirements are similar to having no degree, except that with proof of their past work, they can be interviewed by a panel and some of the examinations can be waived if they are deemed to be qualified by the examining board.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

" I would think they would need an engineering degree from a respectable university (preferably a Canadian or an American university) before they would be certified."

I do believe the chaps at institutions like Cambridge and Oxford might take insult at a remark like that.

There is nothing insulting about it, JLM. Medical degrees from Oxford and Cambridge are not recognized here in Canada. They have to pass exams, undergo training in Canada same as doctors from every other country (unless of course, he happens to be a world renowned doctor, that would be a different story).

The real question would be what would somebody with Oxford or Cambridge degree would want to come to Canada.

 

[JLM]

You mean my logic is impeccable. Do you deny that without science and technology we would be stuck in pre-industrial revolution, subsistence farming society?

SO WHAT? And without the mechanic maintaining their vehicle they wouldn't make it into work in the mornig to do all these wonderful things (that BTW are mainly performed by technicians and all the Engineer does is sign off on the project).

 

[ironsides]

What exactly does make a inventor? Advanced education is not necessarily a prerequisite or a component, nor is any formal education. As for the title scientist, the same could be said.

Members of academia seem to be the biggest snobs, they may have achieved great knowledge, but some just lose it as applied to life. (nothing personal, just a observation)

 

[JLM]

OK, but doesn't that make them scientists and inventors? So where is the problem?

So what you are saying is a guy who invents something isn't an inventor? :lol::lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

An engineer can be registered as a PEng by passing exams to prove qualifications, without having a degree. It is rare but not impossible; there are extensive exams to be written

If a foreign trained engineer comes from a recognized / accredited university, there are certain examinations that have to be written, but not to the same extent.

If they have a degree from a NON ACCREDITED university, the requirements are similar to having no degree, except that with proof of their past work, they can be interviewed by a panel and some of the examinations can be waived if they are deemed to be qualified by the examining board.

So what you are saying is that in most instances, foreign engineers do have a degree, about what I expected.

But what you are saying is that even if a foreign engineer does not have a degree, there is a road open for him towards certification, even though it is a very difficult road (and I assume certification would be granted only in exceptional cases).

That would make sense to me. Do those with American degrees get preferential treatment (I expect they would, they do in medical field)?

 

[Johnnny]

Members of academia seem to be the biggest snobs, they may have achieved great knowledge, but some just lose it as applied to life. (nothing personal, just a observation)

thats why i dont get along with 95% of my school

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So what you are saying is a guy who invents something isn't an inventor? :lol::lol:

I thought I said exactly contrary in my post, I said it does make them scientists and inventors.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SO WHAT? And without the mechanic maintaining their vehicle they wouldn't make it into work in the mornig to do all these wonderful things (that BTW are mainly performed by technicians and all the Engineer does is sign off on the project).

I guess we have a difference of opinion about it, JLM. In my opinion the person who invents something (steam engine, internal combustion engine) is more important. In your opinion the person who does the maintenance is more important. Let us leave it at that.