diet pills...do they work? any advice?

[hermanntrude]

diet pills?

I know i risk offending people here but if you're fat and u don't like it:

EAT LESS, EXCERCISE MORE, STOP BEING DUMB AND EXPECTING SOME "HERBS" TO WORK A MIRACLE

and for those of you that think of things which are "natural" as safe here's a thought: Some of the most poisonous substances known to man are "natural"

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Re: RE: diet pills...do they work? any advice?

Well.. I will stick with this one... This one is true.. it has helped many ... this one is totally different...

Sure it is. Read the product disclaimer at that site. You have to eat a proper diet and do regular exercise too, which will give you the desired effect with or without the product. You might also note that they carefully avoid making any testable claims for it, and in fact pretty much deny it has any consequences at all unless you also do the diet and exercise thing. That's really *all* you need to do.

Testimonials are worthless as evidence. Only properly controlled double-blind studies will confirm the utility of the product, and they're not going to do those because they'll almost certainly confirm that it has no more effect than a placebo. That's just another evidence-free weight loss scam.

 

[LisNJai]

True enough...
I just know that it works due to the internal cleansing power of the products. Cleansing may help the body's natural ability to eliminate impurities from its system. These impurities may slow down metabolism and reduce energy, leaving our cells paralyzed! Cleansing is as important as brushing your teeth or changing the oil in our vehicles.
There are many that know this isn't a scam.. but you have your thoughts and that is great.. Thank you for being honest with that.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I have more than just my thoughts. The weight of evidence is with me as well. There's no scientific or medical justification for the notion of cleansing, there's no good evidence it has any effect at all besides lightening your wallet, and no evidence you need anything more than proper diet and exercise to be healthy. You're wasting your money.

And incidentally, you don't know that it works, it's never been properly tested. You have only the anecdotal evidence of its perceived effects on you, and odds are you're deceiving yourself. It's called confirmation bias, and you can read about it here http://www.skepdic.com/confirmbias.html. And while you're there, if you decide to go there, read this http://www.skepdic.com/althelth.html for examples of confirmation bias in action.

 

[LisNJai]

Thanks for your thoughts Dexter...

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I conclude from that that you don't believe anything I've said. and your major interest is in avoiding conflict. That's okay, I'm not going to force an argument with someone who doesn't want to argue, but the fact remains: according to everything I know about scientific matters (which is, no false modesty here, quite a lot; I was educated as a physicist and spent a 30+ year career in science), you and the purveryers of that web site you cited are almost certainly wrong.

But what the hell, if the program works for you and makes you feel better about yourself, that can only be a good thing and I won't gainsay that. The claimed scientific basis of it might be wrong, but that only means the traditional explanations of how it works are wrong, it doesn't mean it doesn't work at all. There's no question, for example, that accupuncture works for certain things, but the traditional explanation of how it works, about meridians and chi and mystic energies and whatnot are obvious nonsense. But all that means is that there's something else going on, something that's discoverable and repeatable that needs to be investigated.

From which I finally conclude, you may be right, but for the wrong reasons. It's the business of science to discover the right reasons.

 

[humanbeing]

RE: diet pills...do they

Many years ago, I was in a pharmacy with money to burn. At the time, I admittedly had very little knowledge about such things as alternative herbal detoxifiers and cleansers, yet I was eager to improve my health in any way possible...

So I figured I would ask the pharmacist, being the 'pro' he is, if I should buy this product. Of course, the pharmacist works at this place, and probably benefits by promoting this product, which of course he suggests I would do well to buy. So I burn the thirty-something bucks it costs (which at the time was some good money for a lad like me).

I bring it home and I use it for a few weeks until the pills run out... nothing big. They tasted yucky, and forced me to adjust my schedule so as to take the pills at regular intervals several times a day.

In any case, I was always interested in learning about new things, and this was no exception, and so I busted out the books and other materials that might contain some info on these products. So what do I learn? The exact same thing that Dexter just pointed out!

Anyhow, the most valuable lesson from this incident was not so much that I wasted my money on an expensive product, but that I have little reason to trust someone on an a matter without some sort of proof. That I would do well to look rationally at things before applying my time and effort (and quite often money). To be taken in by his "ohhh we all love that product here at the pharmacy, and use it on a regular basis for our health", was foolish. It applies not just to some silly product, but also to life in general.

 

[humanbeing]

And thank you for that link to quackwatch.

I wish found a site like that before I bought the pills. Mind you, I don't think many such sites existed at that time, as this was before even Yahoo's time.

 

[walrock]

Hydroxycut may be a supplement that you can look into trying.
Lot of information out there about this pill, http://www.hydroxycutmaxreviews.com
is a good starting place.

 

[scratch]

Hydroxycut may be a supplement that you can look into trying.
Lot of information out there about this pill, http://www.hydroxycutmaxreviews.com
is a good starting place.

Hydroxycut is a nutritional supplement marketed by Iovate Health Sciences Inc., designed to help consumers lose weight. It is sold at retailers such as GNC and Wal-Mart as well as through direct television marketing.
Currently sold in the United States without ephedra, it is advertised as increasing metabolism and reducing hunger cravings. Like many nutraceuticals, its efficacy is questionable[1].
Hydroxycut promotes itself as being created and endorsed by doctors. Television advertisements for Hydroxycut feature Jon Marshall D.O., a 2005 graduate of Midwestern University's medical school, still in residency. Hydroxycut is also endorsed by Marvin Heuer, MD, FAAFP, Associate Clinical Professor in the Department of Family Medicine and Community Health at the University of Florida.

Controversy

On March 27, 2003 Missouri's Attorney General Jay Nixon filed a lawsuit in St. Louis against Hydroxycut's manufacturer MuscleTech Research and Development, Inc stating that claims Hydroxycut was "clinically proven" to be a "fat-burner" were false, specifically:[2]


“ The product is not “clinically proven” to be a “fat-burner,” as MuscleTech claims. MuscleTech’s own study showed that Hydroxycut has no efficacy as compared to placebo with the possible exception of an appetite-suppressing effect. Moreover, the serious adverse health risks of Hydroxycut with ephedra – including death – were not adequately described or disclosed in marketing and labeling of the product. ” Nixon also alleged that the "before" and "after" photographs were misleading, and that one woman's "before" photo was deceptive because she was recently pregnant.[3]
MuscleTech paid $100,000 to settle the case while denying any wrongdoing.[4]

 

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[Sporty883]

Diet and exercise. I work out everyday, and I love it, I get the heebies if I miss a day of workout. My workout consists of hula hoop, for 20 minutes, then some salsa, then weights.

 

[petros]

The best diet pill is far far away deep in the woods and you can only get it by walking there.

 

[L Gilbert]

hi everyone, i'm hoping y'all can give me some advice. i've been doing really awesome with my new years resolution (eating healthy and exercising more) and i when i went into the health food store i saw a product by jamieson that i'm thinkin bout tryin. it's their diet rescue pill that stops the body from absorbing the fat from food. it sounds cool. you take it when you've slipped up on your diet. any advice would be so appreciated!

Best diet - count calories and stay active.

 

[talloola]

Don't ever take pills to lose weight, just a cop-out,
for those who are too lazy to do what they need to do,
to keep their bodies fit and free of excess fat.

Eat nutritious whole foods, in sensible quantities, and excercise daily.

 

[JLM]

Don't ever take pills to lose weight, just a cop-out,
for those who are too lazy to do what they need to do,
to keep their bodies fit and free of excess fat.

Eat nutritious whole foods, in sensible quantities, and excercise daily.

Absolutely, there is only one way to lose weight and anyone who comes up with other schemes is ripping you off. You have to burn more calories than you take in. Eat sensibly, a good hearty breakfast, a moderate lunch and a moderate supper and walk 5 miles a day as much of it up hill as possible and make all the above your way of life. Sure you can have a greasy hamburger but do it once a month and walk an extra mile when you do.

 

[Canaduh]

As everyone else in this thread has already said. THERE IS NO QUICK FIX. Diet pills, Fad diets and all these exercise machines dont do anything. 1) Fix your diet 2) exercise regularly Diet pills and fads may help for a few months but after wards you will still go back to being a fat slob.

 

[VanIsle]

Diet and exercise. I work out everyday, and I love it, I get the heebies if I miss a day of workout. My workout consists of hula hoop, for 20 minutes, then some salsa, then weights.

You work out everyday! Bet you are slim and trim. Must be nice to be a lady of leisure and have the time to do all that. Myself - I've considered dance as a good way to exercise. It's so fun and so refreshing - don't ya all think? Ja Ja Ja!

 

[VanIsle]

hi everyone, i'm hoping y'all can give me some advice. i've been doing really awesome with my new years resolution (eating healthy and exercising more) and i when i went into the health food store i saw a product by jamieson that i'm thinkin bout tryin. it's their diet rescue pill that stops the body from absorbing the fat from food. it sounds cool. you take it when you've slipped up on your diet. any advice would be so appreciated!

I'm thinking that any diet pill could be dangerous - unless of course you are a frequent vistor to the Dominican Republic where you can help yourself along by swimming off any excess pills or fat! What do you think? Sure is a lot of new people here in the past couple of days. Some like to visit a little more frequently than others so they have to use more than one name.

 

[VanIsle]

JLM I see you are here. Take note of my post please. One good deed deserves another. Do you think we should welcome ALL the newcomes?