Prentice attacks Quebec's climate strategy

s_lone

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Prentice raps Quebec on emissions

Federal minister decries strict limits

BY KEVIN DOUGHERTY, THE GAZETTE FEBRUARY 2, 2010


Federal Environment Minister Jim Prentice took a swing at Quebec yesterday in a speech in Calgary, where most Canadian oil companies have their head offices.

Like the state of California, Quebec has adopted tough environmental standards, calling for a 30-per-cent reduction in vehicle greenhouse-gas emissions by 2016.

Quebec and California are members of the Western Climate Initiative, composed of seven states and four provinces. They hope to press their respective federal governments to take a tougher stance on climate change.

In his speech, Prentice said Canada should align its greenhouse-gas cuts with the United States, indirectly criticizing Quebec's ambitious goal to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 20 per cent in 2020, from 1990 levels.

"One of the most glaring examples of the folly of attempting to go it alone in an integrated North American economy is the new, and unique, vehicle regulations introduced by Quebec," he said.

"These ensure consumers will basically have to leave that province to buy vehicles, to avoid levies of up to $5,000, because 75 per cent of the latest car and truck models don't conform to the new rules."

Provincial Environment Minister Line Beauchamp was not available for comment, but a Quebec government official noted that automakers have until 2016 to conform - and because it is an average, they just have to sell more small cars to comply.

Prentice said Canada would work with the U.S., to the point of harmonizing its greenhouse-gas reduction target with the U.S's: a 17-per-cent reduction from 2005 levels by 2020. Previously, Canada set a goal of a 20-per-cent reduction in 2020, starting from 2006.

But environmentalists note this is still only a three-per-cent reduction from 1990, the agreed reference year, and 17 per cent less than what Quebec proposes.

Quebec has also been pushing Ottawa to adopt a cap-and-trade plan, which would limit greenhouse gas emissions by major industries through a system of buying and selling carbon credits on the Montreal Exchange.

"We will adopt a cap and-trade regime only if the United States signals it wants to do the same," Prentice said.

While acknowledging criticism that Alberta's oilsands project is a major source of pollution, Prentice said Canada's ultimate goal is to be a "clean energy superpower.

kdougherty@thegazette.canwest.com

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s_lone

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While acknowledging criticism that Alberta's oilsands project is a major source of pollution, Prentice said Canada's ultimate goal is to be a "clean energy superpower.

If Canada's ultimate goal is to be a clean energy superpower, why the hell is he bitching about Quebec's efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions?
 

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Yes, well, Harper and his oil cartel henchmen have a stellar record on environmental issues.Could we expect anything less?
 

El Barto

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While acknowledging criticism that Alberta's oilsands project is a major source of pollution, Prentice said Canada's ultimate goal is to be a "clean energy superpower.

If Canada's ultimate goal is to be a clean energy superpower, why the hell is he bitching about Quebec's efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions?
HAHAHA It's called political comedy,,,,um hypocrocy :lol:
Quebec is putting it's neck out for car sales but damn they aren't waiting for the federal to do anything. I'm willing to pay the extra cost to do my part . It is a shame tho when a Province bypasses the will of the Federal to do anything. Shows lack of leadership somewhere don't it?
 

s_lone

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It is a shame tho when a Province bypasses the will of the Federal to do anything. Shows lack of leadership somewhere don't it?

Well, provinces are suppose to have some form of autonomy right? I believe they should have more but I'm thankful we have what we already have.
 

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The only thing this new regulation from Quebec will do, is to reduce the number of vehicles for sale there.

California is a big enough market that car companies cater to them. Quebec is not, so I'd say that quite a few smaller companies just won't bother selling in Quebec any more.
 

s_lone

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If everyone had the same attitude as you in terms of environmental policy, nothing would ever be done.

The states of New York, Vermont and Maine are also doing the same thing. Face it, it's just a question of time before greener energies become standard in the future. Might as well make the changes as soon as possible. Better that than the federal Conservatives playing ''simon says'' with the US government.
 

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If everyone had the same attitude as you in terms of environmental policy, nothing would ever be done..

Perhaps you might re-read my post so that you comprehend it.
I don't see where my perspective on environmental policy is posted; simply my perspective on one insignificant Province deciding to try to reach way beyond its grasp. The major car companies aren't going to waste any effort and time on one Province; the market isn't worth it. That was my point, anything else you interpret is in your own fantasy world.

Better that than the federal Conservatives playing ''simon says'' with the US government.

So, the feds are wrong for following the US government stance, but Quebec is right for following California?

That makes sense to me.
 

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Harper has been a strong anti-environmentalist from day one (a huge contrast from Mulroney). He has to cater to two of his important constituencies, Alberta oil lobby and the religious right. Both tend to be strong anti-environmentalists, the first for financial reasons, the second for religious reasons.

Harper will do as little as he can get away with. In his book (and the book of Conservatives) environment matters not one bit.
 

s_lone

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Perhaps you might re-read my post so that you comprehend it.
I don't see where my perspective on environmental policy is posted; simply my perspective on one insignificant Province deciding to try to reach way beyond its grasp.

Quebec has the second largest population in Canada after Ontario. Are you suggesting that all other provinces except Ontario are insignificant? If everyone considers their actions insignificant we are doomed to mediocrity as a country and society. It's every little action by individuals and especially larger collective choices (provincial or federal legislations) that will make a difference.

If Quebec were an US state, it would rate about 13th in terms of population. I don't see how that labels Quebec insignificant.


The major car companies aren't going to waste any effort and time on one Province; the market isn't worth it. That was my point, anything else you interpret is in your own fantasy world.

As long as there are people who need cars in Quebec, there will be a market for it and car companies offering their stuff.


So, the feds are wrong for following the US government stance, but Quebec is right for following California?

That makes sense to me.

The feds are wrong for doing practically nothing in terms of environmental policy. That's all there is to it.
 

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"Prentice said Canada's ultimate goal is to be a "clean energy superpower"
Canada could start any time now.So far it's behind Germany, Portugal, etc. and even China has decided it wants to figure out how to use coal cleanly.North America? Still trying to decide what clean energy is let alone getting aroundto using it.
 

clutch

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Germany has more than half of the world’s solar-power generating capacity

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How would you like to pay $38 per year for your utilities? That's what the average German household forks over PER YEAR.

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And Canada wants to be a green superpower? Freakin hilarious.


Why is that hilarious? I don't think you understand the potential Canada has.

For instance, Ontario's wind power potential is enormous and by linking our wind resouces to Quebeces hydro resources, we ca have 100% renewable power available 24/7
 

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the Socialist Republic of New France decided that money speaks louder than the enviroment.
Next month Quebec will be attending meetings starting march 22, with their hands out, with a potential of $200 billion being spent in Alberta by oil producers.