The devotion to God alone
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...and you don't think promises of seventy-two virgins and rivers of honey is a bribe for the simple-minded?
Then the succession of generations and with passing of time the religion of God alone will change into association of others with God:
like associating Adam himself with God and associating Noah with God and associating their families and sons.
All this because of the enthusiasm about such religious men, then they will start making satues and idols for these religious leaders and start to worship the apostles and saints together with God Almighty, so it will turn into idolatry and association.
The following genration will open their eyes to see their people worshipping idols and associating the prophets and saints with God, but they will think that God ordered them to do this.
Then when the idolatry and association prevails, God will send them a new apostle to explain to them that God is One God only and there will be the Judgment.
And so on the story will be repeated in many generaation.
So all the idolatry religions present now are merely the distortion of the original religion of God brought by the early apostles. But only the teachings of the apostle is lost and you find only the distortion and idolatry.Quran Interpretation
like associating Adam himself with God and associating Noah with God and associating their families and sons.
All this because of the enthusiasm about such religious men, then they will start making satues and idols for these religious leaders and start to worship the apostles and saints together with God Almighty, so it will turn into idolatry and association.
The following genration will open their eyes to see their people worshipping idols and associating the prophets and saints with God, but they will think that God ordered them to do this.
Then when the idolatry and association prevails, God will send them a new apostle to explain to them that God is One God only and there will be the Judgment.
And so on the story will be repeated in many generaation.
So all the idolatry religions present now are merely the distortion of the original religion of God brought by the early apostles. But only the teachings of the apostle is lost and you find only the distortion and idolatry.Quran Interpretation
The succeeding generation will find their fathers following the idolatry (not the original God's religion of devoting to God alone), but they will think that God ordered their fathers to do as such and worship the idols.
This is in the Quran7: 28
This is in the Quran7: 28
وَإِذَا فَعَلُواْ فَاحِشَةً قَالُواْ وَجَدْنَا عَلَيْهَا آبَاءنَا وَاللّهُ أَمَرَنَا بِهَا قُلْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَأْمُرُ بِالْفَحْشَاء أَتَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللّهِ مَا لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ
The explanation:
( And whenever they commit an indecency [: to be completely naked in the pilgrimage],
they say: We found our fathers practicing it, and it is God Who has commanded us to do it!
Say [Mohammed, to them]: God never commands indecency; will you then say against God such things as you do not know?)
( And whenever they commit an indecency [: to be completely naked in the pilgrimage],
they say: We found our fathers practicing it, and it is God Who has commanded us to do it!
Say [Mohammed, to them]: God never commands indecency; will you then say against God such things as you do not know?)
Churches are fine. The church is what religion is; as in "the RC Church", "the Protestant Church", etc.
Religion is right up there at the top of the list of banes of human developments along with politics.
Religion is right up there at the top of the list of banes of human developments along with politics.
Nonsense. Superstition started at the dawn of the beginning of humans.
More nonsense. If there were gods and gremlins in the first place, and if this god had any brains it would have imprinted everyone with its message from the beginning instead of sending some slow moving apostle to spread messages in the hopes that the messenger could get the message everywhere and to everyone on the planet in a timely manner.[/quote]
Well, Muhammad failed, so the Quran is wrong and Allah failed.This is in the Quran 14: 4وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلاَّ بِلِسَانِ قَوْمِهِ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمْThe explanationWe did not send any apostle [before you, Mohammed,] but only [to teach] in the language of his [own] people, in order to explain to them.)The reason for sending the apostle:The apostle is sent to instruct his people, that God is their only God, and Him alone they should worship, and to warn them that there will be the Judgment Day, when the idolaters and those who associate with God will be punished, and those who devote themselves to God alone will prosper in the afterlife.Therefore, they will not say: no apostle came to us; had You sent us an apostle we would have been guided.http://www.quran-ayat.com/quran-ayat.com
More nonsense. My father was a different sect than my mother and I followed neither of them.
The Wahhabi are the most fundamentalist, conservative, and oppressive of Islamic sects that I know anything about. They're the people now running Saudi Arabia, and they have a nasty history of massacre and terror about two centuries old. Quranic is a new one to me, so of course I looked it up. As I'd have predicted based on your posts here, it seems to mean that you take the book to be completely and literally true in all details. You sound to me, in fact like the people who'd burn down libraries on the grounds that any books in them that are inconsistent with the Quran are heresy and any that are consistent are redundant.
What causes the distortion of the original God's religion
People will follow their religious leaders; people usually follow the exaggeration of loving their prophets and apostles; they want some material object to deal with and glorify; so the religious leaders will increase this exaggerated love of people to their apostle --> this leads to glorifying the apostle then --> associating the apostle himself with God Almighty.
People usually are influenced by the emotion more than reason; and religious leaders know this and will start to exaggerate such enthusiasm until people by time will start to worship the apostle himself.
Kings and political leaders will exploit such enthusiasm, and want people to support them in their programs and purpose, so they will start building the graves of saints and imams and to make statues and idols and the idolatry will appear.
The religious leaders will invent many things, and the accumulation of such inventions will create a religion completely different from the original God's religion.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/
People will follow their religious leaders; people usually follow the exaggeration of loving their prophets and apostles; they want some material object to deal with and glorify; so the religious leaders will increase this exaggerated love of people to their apostle --> this leads to glorifying the apostle then --> associating the apostle himself with God Almighty.
People usually are influenced by the emotion more than reason; and religious leaders know this and will start to exaggerate such enthusiasm until people by time will start to worship the apostle himself.
Kings and political leaders will exploit such enthusiasm, and want people to support them in their programs and purpose, so they will start building the graves of saints and imams and to make statues and idols and the idolatry will appear.
The religious leaders will invent many things, and the accumulation of such inventions will create a religion completely different from the original God's religion.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/
The apostle comes as a last chance for the wrong-doers
The punishment is due to them because of their wrong-doing; and the apostle comes to them as a last chance: if they follow him they will be saved, if not then the punishment will come on them.
This is in the Quran 71: 1
This is in the Quran 71: 1
إِنَّا أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَى قَوْمِهِ أَنْ أَنذِرْ قَوْمَكَ مِن قَبْلِ أَن يَأْتِيَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ
The explanation:
(We sent Noah to his people, [saying to him:] "Warn your people [against idolatry],before there come on them a painful chastisement.")
(We sent Noah to his people, [saying to him:] "Warn your people [against idolatry],before there come on them a painful chastisement.")
So people will divide into two parties: the wrong-doers will deny, and the kind-hearted will respond. God will misguide the first group, and guide the second group.
What causes distortion of reasonable thought: faith and belief in things that don't exist.
This is generally speaking; and almost your father and mother followed different sects and both of them were enthusiastic and associating some persons together with God Almighty; or at least they were not religious.
So most of the sects and religions on Earth are some or other kind of the association or idolatry.
This is in the Quran 6: 116
So most of the sects and religions on Earth are some or other kind of the association or idolatry.
This is in the Quran 6: 116
وَإِن تُطِعْ أَكْثَرَ مَن فِي الأَرْضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللّهِ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلاَّ الظَّنَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلاَّ يَخْرُصُونَ
The explanation:
(If you obey most of the [people] on earth [in their opinions], they will lead you astray far from God's way [because] they only follow surmise and only they insist on lying.)
http://www.quran-ayat.com/
(If you obey most of the [people] on earth [in their opinions], they will lead you astray far from God's way [because] they only follow surmise and only they insist on lying.)
http://www.quran-ayat.com/
That is your faith and you are entitled to it ... as I am mine. Can you prove mine is wrong - WITHOUT all the quotish gobbledygook?
When I said Quranic; it isn't any sect, but a way of believing and reforming others according to the Quran.
About such people as the Wahhabi, they have their good and their defect now, while as regards the terror: God cast the terror in the hearts of idolaters and associaters and they flee before the monotheistic and devoted men. This is every time and everywhere in history: the devoted will overcome the associater; this is from God Almighty. While the associater: their enemy (who may also be an idolater or associater) will be given power against them.
About such people as the Wahhabi, they have their good and their defect now, while as regards the terror: God cast the terror in the hearts of idolaters and associaters and they flee before the monotheistic and devoted men. This is every time and everywhere in history: the devoted will overcome the associater; this is from God Almighty. While the associater: their enemy (who may also be an idolater or associater) will be given power against them.
Certainly God's way is the standard way of monotheism and devotion to God alone; this way which is the First of all the commandments, which he enjoined on all the apostles and people. This way you are not guided to it.