Obama bows...AGAIN!

[Francis2004]

I can't believe this is still a topic however..

Who cares that Nixon bowed only 35 degrees compared to Obama's 45 degrees.. Maybe it has to do with one mans flexibility or the amount of time the camera caught the action..

No one has mentioned how long a handshake should be or at what angle ?

Trying to follow someone else culture proper etiquette only shows respect. The more you are viewed as trying in the country you visit, the better your chances to increase relations for businesses and visitors as a leader.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

He does a heck of a lot more than two bows! Try counting them... We could make a contest here.

Really, how childish can one get? You want to count the bows and based upon the number decide if Obama acted properly or not?

Face the fact, you conservatives will criticize Obama no matter what he does; the fact that he bowed to the Japanese emperor (and I don’t see anything wrong with it) is just an excuse.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So you're saying that the Queen of England, and the Emperor of Japan, are superior to the President of the US.

In other words, you agree with what those critical of Obama's bow are saying.

I guess you're a closet Republican / Obama Hater as well.

What I am saying is that when in Rome, do as the Romans do. There is nothing wrong with that. In Asian or African countries, they have different ways of greeting people than we do.

Yet when Indian or Chinese leaders visit USA, they don’t insist on greeting Obama the way they do in their own county, they shake hands, because that is what they do in USA. They shake hands out of respect for USA and for American way of life.

What Obama did was the same thing, nothing more.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I can't believe this is still a topic however..

Who cares that Nixon bowed only 35 degrees compared to Obama's 45 degrees.. Maybe it has to do with one mans flexibility or the amount of time the camera caught the action..

No one has mentioned how long a handshake should be or at what angle ?

Trying to follow someone else culture proper etiquette only shows respect. The more you are viewed as trying in the country you visit, the better your chances to increase relations for businesses and visitors as a leader.

Quite so, Francis, the whole thing is childish. And the issue really is not if Nixon bowed thought 35 degrees or whatever. The issue is that since Nixon did it and he was a Republican, what he did was right and proper.

Since Obama did something and he is a Democrat, what he did was wrong. That is how some of the minds work here. They will criticize Obama no matter what he does (like play golf). That is nothing new.

 

[TenPenny]

What I am saying is that when in Rome, do as the Romans do. There is nothing wrong with that. In Asian or African countries, they have different ways of greeting people than we do.

Yet when Indian or Chinese leaders visit USA, they don’t insist on greeting Obama the way they do in their own county, they shake hands, because that is what they do in USA. They shake hands out of respect for USA and for American way of life.

What Obama did was the same thing, nothing more.

Whatever you may think, that's NOT what you said.

You said, AND I QUOTE:
Quoting SirJosephPorter
That is how monarchy works, TenPenny. I am sure everybody bows (or courtesies) to Queen Elizabeth. But does she bow to anybody? I seriously doubt it. That is the concept behind the monarchy, the monarch is supreme.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Sure, that is what I said. And the problem is?

 

[FiveParadox]

When you’re visiting Japan, the Japanese head of State is the highest on the order of precedence (just as when the president is visiting Canada, The Queen and the Governor General outrank the president, and when the Governor General visits other nations, she is outranked by their heads of State). Moreover, the rules of orders of precedence aside, when you’re visiting Japan, is makes sense to respect the Japanese monarchy and the people’s belief and trust in that monarchy — again, the idea of diplomacy is to not insult your host nation. This is just as many heads of State treat The Queen as a Queen when they are visiting Buckingham Palace.

There is no problem here, only conservative ramblings.

 

[gopher]

''A small mutual bow like Nixon did was okay, but now Obama has done two bows. ''


What??????

Fascist murderer Hirohito attacked Pearl Harbor, killed thousands of Americans, butchered MULTIPLES OF MILLIONS in China and Asia, and engaged in the worst form of holocaust denial in human history and you allow Nixon to bow that f*****d up SOB?

Hirohito should have met the same fate as Hitler, Mussolini, and their cabal of genocidalists. Anyone who bows to that murderer should be impeached for committing treason.

 

[FiveParadox]

It should perhaps be noted that His Imperial Majesty The Emperor Shōwa, 124th Emperor of Japan, took a big risk in breaking with imperial traditions by openly questioning his ministers’ and chiefs’ decisions to place the instruments of war ahead of the instruments of diplomacy. It should also be noted that much the same as many other systems of constitutional monarchy, The Emperor Shōwa’s exercises of the royal prerogative were almost invariably on the advice of His Excellency Konoe Fumimaro, 23rd Prime Minister of Japan, and the chiefs of Japan’s armed forces at the time. The personal role that The Emperor Shōwa had is very much in dispute.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Why?
I've traveled quite a bit and have always tried to understand other peoples culture and respect it.
What's so evil about that?
When it comes to diplomacy I think it's even more important.
Do you suppose the Japanese are outraged that their leaders shake hands with ours?
I can tell you they aren't.

As a Canadian just because you want to understand another country's rituals, customs and habits, or you have a sympathetic personality doesn't mean you have a clue on another country's culture. There is nothing evil here, just cultural ignorance expressing itself.

Any Japanese comment about Obama's bows I'm sure will be nauseatingly polite.

I just found here that Joe Biden bowed before going on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart as a guest. Biden is foolish for doing that. When I lived in Korea for a few years I found out bowing there is very important to men there. I am sure it is the same in Japan. They are traditional countries on a traditional continent. This is bad.

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By David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Wednesday, November 18th, 2009 -- 11:02 am

When Vice President Joe Biden took the stage on Tuesday's Daily Show, he began with a low bow to Jon Stewart, mocking the controversy over President Obama's bow to the emperor of Japan.

Having lived in Korea for a few years, I learned that it bowing in Korea is very important there.

 

[FiveParadox]

I’m sorry, do you mean to say it’s bad to respect entirely civilized customs in traditional countries?

 

[Cannuck]

I would never bow to the Queen. If anything, she should bow to me for putting up with the royal inbreds.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

''A small mutual bow like Nixon did was okay, but now Obama has done two bows. ''

What??????

Fascist murderer Hirohito attacked Pearl Harbor, killed thousands of Americans, butchered MULTIPLES OF MILLIONS in China and Asia, and engaged in the worst form of holocaust denial in human history and you allow Nixon to bow that f*****d up SOB?

Hirohito should have met the same fate as Hitler, Mussolini, and their cabal of genocidalists. Anyone who bows to that murderer should be impeached for committing treason.

Nixon did it like he would do it for the leader of any country you mouth foamer. A slight bow and nod of the head is Western. No big deal.

The emperor never had much power, he was a tool of the militarists.

The Japanese have a immense problems with their history because other nations don't exist in their mindset. If things are not Japanese, then they are not important. So a few million dead? Next question. Many countries are like this, such as Korea. You can commit any act to support your nation and it is okay.

 

[FiveParadox]

Reminds me of a few North American countries, dumpthemonarchy.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

I’m sorry, do you mean to say it’s bad to respect entirely civilized customs in traditional countries?

Respecting them is not doing them. To act out other country's customs and behaviour is foolish. Asians can have any kind of customs they want, but I will not do them, even if I visit their countries, like I did. They don't expect it and they really don't expect foreigners to understand their culture, so not copying their behavior is the right and proper way to act.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Reminds me of a few North American countries, dumpthemonarchy.

Perhaps, we're not any where near perfect. But some examples.

 

[catman]

Can't believe the redneck neo-cons have managed to make this an issue. Sad.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Can't believe the redneck neo-cons have managed to make this an issue. Sad.

The rednecks will make everything an issue, catman. If there isn’t an issue, they will invent one out of thin air. If they want to impeach Obama for playing golf, sure they can criticize him for showing respect for Japanese customs. Perhaps to them it is an impeachable offence (but then what isn’t?).

Anyway, I would much rather Obama bowed down to a Japanese emperor to show respect for Japan than start a pointless, bloodthirsty war resulting in deaths of half a million Iraqis and more than 4000 Americans (and some of the same crowd who are shedding crocodile tears, who are foaming at the mouth over Obama showing respect to Japan, evidently didn’t have any problem with that).

It is all a matter of perspective.

 

[EagleSmack]

Yet the libs keep coming back to defend the bow. It must be more important to them than they are letting on.

 

[Kreskin]

The whole issue is a non-starter imo.