Essential features of the apostle of God

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And nobody ever mentions the religions of the Americas, which predate the Vedas and many are still actively practiced today. "White" history only recognizes eastern history as valid rarely considering that there were civilizations in the Americas that predate any in Asia or Europe
 

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And nobody ever mentions the religions of the Americas, which predate the Vedas and many are still actively practiced today. "White" history only recognizes eastern history as valid rarely considering that there were civilizations in the Americas that predate any in Asia or Europe
I do mention them. I've even posted a few tales of our gods and stuff. I am not no-one.
 

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According to some religions (the ones men developed, of course), women are men's possessions, though. According to your holey texts, both are what you say.
I am no-one's possession except mine, according to me. Gods show no interest in me, so they are definitely of no import to me.
Why should He, this is not the time to show 'Godly attention' to anybody. Since God does see you as one of His possessions He will sent the breath of life back to you (if you need it) at either Christ's coming or God's Judgment Day.
Either way all dangers to you will be gone. The choice to stay or leave will be left in your hands.
 

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The apostle is not rancorous

The apostle of God inclines to forgive and pardon the one that offends and transgresses on him, and is not rancorous; i.e. God chooses His apostle as a righteous man who is not rancorous so that he will intercede for them on Judgment Day;
while if he is rancorous, he will not forgive them their offense against him, and then will not intercede for their behalf on Judgment Day.

This is in the Quran 3: 161

وَمَا كَانَ لِنَبِيٍّ أَن يَغُلَّ وَمَن يَغْلُلْ يَأْتِ بِمَا غَلَّ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ ثُمَّ تُوَفَّى كُلُّ نَفْسٍ مَّا كَسَبَتْ وَهُمْ لاَ يُظْلَمُونَ


The explanation:
(It is not for any prophet to bear rancor [against his folk.] Whoso bears rancor will bring his rancor with him on the Day of Judgment [and so will not intercede for them,]

then every soul will be paid in full [the recompense of] what [good and evil] it has earned [in the life of the World];

and they will not be wronged [concerning their rights in what they deserve.])

 

eanassir

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I am no-one's possession except mine, according to me.

And God That created you and everything in the universe, doesn't He own you and everything else in His creation? If you are right in your claim, then did
you come to this World with your own will? or will you avert the death when it will inevitably come on you?

Gods show no interest in me, so they are definitely of no import to me.

So does God create His creation in vain and aimlessly?
All the systems and orders in the universe say clearly that there is wisdom and purpose, and all people will go to the next afterlife (by the process of death), as did they all come to this World (by the process of birth.)

As in the Quran 23: 115

أَفَحَسِبْتُمْ أَنَّمَا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ عَبَثًا وَأَنَّكُمْ إِلَيْنَا لَا تُرْجَعُونَ

The explanation:
("Did you think that We created you aimlessly, and that you would not return to Us!?")

 
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eanassir

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Not quite. Allah may be Arab word for God, but I think it was co-opted into the Arabic; Allah predates Islam, Mohammad and Koran.

Allah was originally a Hindu Goddess. There is an Upanishad called Allopanishad (Upanishads are part of Hindu Scripture). Later the Goddess traveled to the Middle East. At the time of Mohammed, people in the Middle East used to worship many Gods, including Allah.

Mohammed decreed that all Gods except Allah are false Gods, and people must worship only Allah. Allah did not originate with Islam; it was an already existent God which was co-opted into Islam.

Allah in Arabic originally means Al-ilah: the god.

This word Allah is the synonym of God in English, Yahweh in Hebrew, Khodah in Persian and Kurdish, etc.

Of course the Quran was revealed in the language of the Arab; and the word Allah was used before the Quran to indicate the Creator Who is known to all people everywhere by different names according to their languages.

Allah or God is there before the Indian and before the Arab and before all people and all angels even.

These are names only and the named One is the same One.

In other words: God has many names: Arabic, Hindu, Hebrew, English ...etc; but He is the same One: the Creator; while all other idols are false and invented.

This in the Quran 59: 22-24 about God or Allah:

هُوَ اللَّهُ الَّذِي لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ هُوَ الرَّحْمَنُ الرَّحِيمُ . هُوَ اللَّهُ الَّذِي لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ الْمَلِكُ الْقُدُّوسُ السَّلَامُ الْمُؤْمِنُ الْمُهَيْمِنُ الْعَزِيزُ الْجَبَّارُ الْمُتَكَبِّرُ سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ . هُوَ اللَّهُ الْخَالِقُ الْبَارِئُ الْمُصَوِّرُ لَهُ الْأَسْمَاء الْحُسْنَى يُسَبِّحُ لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ

The explanation:
(He is God; there is no god [to be worshipped in the universe] but He.

He is the All-Knowing of all that is absent [: invisible and unknown to you], and all that is present [: visible and known to you];

He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

He is God; there is no god but He:
the Sovereign Lord,
the Sanctified [by His angels],
the All-Peaceable,
the Believer [in Himself],
the Dominant [over His creatures],
the Almighty,
the Compeller [of unbelievers to the Fire],
the Most Sublime [above His servants.]
Celebrated be God above all that they associate [with Him.]

He is God;
the Creator [of all the creation],
the Savior [of His loyal servants],
the Fashioner [of bodies inside wombs.]

His are the Names Most Beautiful.

All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him,

and He is the All-Mighty,
the Most Wise.)
 

eanassir

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I think he's trying to insult me, but I may be wrong.


No insult on your person; but as did you say the Quran includes myths, I answered you that you adopt the myths.

So refer to your past replies to my posts and see what mockery they included; and anyone that mock us, we also mock him in the same way;

like what Noah said according to the Quran 11: 38-39

وَيَصْنَعُ الْفُلْكَ وَكُلَّمَا مَرَّ عَلَيْهِ مَلأٌ مِّن قَوْمِهِ سَخِرُواْ مِنْهُ قَالَ إِن تَسْخَرُواْ مِنَّا فَإِنَّا نَسْخَرُ مِنكُمْ كَمَا تَسْخَرُونَ . فَسَوْفَ تَعْلَمُونَ مَن يَأْتِيهِ عَذَابٌ يُخْزِيهِ وَيَحِلُّ عَلَيْهِ عَذَابٌ مُّقِيمٌ

The explanation:
(So he [: Noah and his comrades] were building the Ark; and whenever a council of his people [who unbelieved] passed by [Noah] they scoffed at him [because there was no sea where he built his Ark.]

He said: "If you scoff at us [this day], we shall surely scoff at you [in the future], as you scoff [this day.]"

"But soon you will come to know [the consequences of your ridicule, and] to whom will come a chastisement degrading him [in this World], and upon whom there shall settle a lasting chastisement [in the afterlife.]")

 
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eanassir

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Every apostle called people to God alone without associate
The axis of his teachings is to call people to God alone without associate or patron or son.
This is in the Quran 21: 25
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدُونِ
The explanation:
(We never sent any messenger [to his people] before you [Mohammed], unless We revealed to him [saying]:

"There is no god [in the universe] but I [: God]; so [O people] serve Me [alone.]")

http://www.quran-ayat.com/conflict/index.htm
< http://www.quran-ayat.com/u/index.htm#First_Commandment >
 

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Every apostle called people to God alone without associate
The axis of his teachings is to call people to God alone without associate or patron or son.
This is in the Quran 21: 25
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدُونِ
The explanation:
(We never sent any messenger [to his people] before you [Mohammed], unless We revealed to him [saying]:

"There is no god [in the universe] but I [: God]; so [O people] serve Me [alone.]")

http://www.quran-ayat.com/conflict/index.htm
< http://www.quran-ayat.com/u/index.htm#First_Commandment >

You are getting to be like a broken record, repeating yourself over and over.
 

AnnaG

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Why should He, this is not the time to show 'Godly attention' to anybody. Since God does see you as one of His possessions He will sent the breath of life back to you (if you need it) at either Christ's coming or God's Judgment Day.
Either way all dangers to you will be gone. The choice to stay or leave will be left in your hands.
I doubt it. In the history of the Earth, it's been pretty evident that nature played an immensely larger role in life than any gods. If gods built everything, it appears as if they built it and then ignored it.
 

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And God That created you and everything in the universe, doesn't He own you and everything else in His creation?
Nope. I claim salvage rights. If any gods made the universe, they've long since abandoned it. I found me so I am my own owner.
If you are right in your claim, then did
you come to this World with your own will? or will you avert the death when it will inevitably come on you?
Yes, I came in of my will, and my mother's and whoever helped her give birth to me. No-one else. Why would I want to avert death even if I could?

So does God create His creation in vain and aimlessly?
Apparently, yes.
All the systems and orders in the universe say clearly that there is wisdom and purpose,
Only to those who anthropomorphize things.
and all people will go to the next afterlife (by the process of death), as did they all come to this World (by the process of birth.)
Sorry. I'm being burnt to ashes. I won't be climbing back into my mother.

As in the Quran 23: 115
أَفَحَسِبْتُمْ أَنَّمَا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ عَبَثًا وَأَنَّكُمْ إِلَيْنَا لَا تُرْجَعُونَ

The explanation:
("Did you think that We created you aimlessly, and that you would not return to Us!?")

Mitigwaaking nga bibaa mose, gdaa wiidjiiw go.
 

AnnaG

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No insult on your person; but as did you say the Quran includes myths, I answered you that you adopt the myths.
Well, it wasn't clear what you were saying. Either way, I won't be adopting any myths. I only study them for the sake of satisfying my curiosity. Myths are just tales indicating how cultures developed and thought.

So refer to your past replies to my posts and see what mockery they included; and anyone that mock us, we also mock him in the same way;
That's because you refuse facts, ignore evidence, and preach.

like what Noah said according to the Quran
11: 38-39

وَيَصْنَعُ الْفُلْكَ وَكُلَّمَا مَرَّ عَلَيْهِ مَلأٌ مِّن قَوْمِهِ سَخِرُواْ مِنْهُ قَالَ إِن تَسْخَرُواْ مِنَّا فَإِنَّا نَسْخَرُ مِنكُمْ كَمَا تَسْخَرُونَ . فَسَوْفَ تَعْلَمُونَ مَن يَأْتِيهِ عَذَابٌ يُخْزِيهِ وَيَحِلُّ عَلَيْهِ عَذَابٌ مُّقِيمٌ

The explanation:
(So he [: Noah and his comrades] were building the Ark; and whenever a council of his people [who unbelieved] passed by [Noah] they scoffed at him [because there was no sea where he built his Ark.]

He said: "If you scoff at us [this day], we shall surely scoff at you [in the future], as you scoff [this day.]"

"But soon you will come to know [the consequences of your ridicule, and] to whom will come a chastisement degrading him [in this World], and upon whom there shall settle a lasting chastisement [in the afterlife.]")

I don't care what Noah said in the Quran, the Bible, or in the Archie comic books.
 

AnnaG

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Every apostle called people to God alone without associate
The axis of his teachings is to call people to God alone without associate or patron or son.
This is in the Quran 21: 25
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدُونِ
The explanation:
(We never sent any messenger [to his people] before you [Mohammed], unless We revealed to him [saying]:

"There is no god [in the universe] but I [: God]; so [O people] serve Me [alone.]")

http://www.quran-ayat.com/conflict/index.htm
< http://www.quran-ayat.com/u/index.htm#First_Commandment >
Ggii zhaa