Activists challenge Olympic bylaw on free speech

ironsides

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Conservative Vs Liberal



If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.

If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.

If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.

A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life..

If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.

Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.

A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.


Liberals demand that those they don't like, be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.

A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)


If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.

A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.

If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in labor and then sues.



 

Niflmir

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Conservative Vs Liberal



If a conservative doesn't like killing, he doesn't kill anyone.

If a liberal doesn't like killing, he wants all killing outlawed.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.

A liberal studies how to find medication for the conservative's schizophrenic paranoia.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life attempting to ban homosexuality.

If a liberal is homosexual, he demands the equality that the above conservative only pays lip service to.

If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful as they work for less pay than their white colleagues.

Their liberal counterparts see their lower wages and demand respect.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation without any help in anti-social fashion.

A liberal asks for help from his friends and family.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels, but never to watch news, only talk shows.


Liberals demand that those that say "facts" which are patently false should have to answer for them.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church, but he still thinks his children should be forced to pray in school.

A liberal non-believer doesn't want to be forced to pray in school, in court, during the pledge of allegiance or anywhere, for that matter.


If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. If he cannot afford it, he simply sells his home when his children are sick.

A liberal is willing to pay higher taxes so that the conservative will not have to sell his house.

Also, I note that in Ironsides world, there are no women. So, I add:

To a conservative some men are women.

To a liberal there are only people.
 

Niflmir

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But if you did any reading, you'd realize that the above is not what is in dispute now, it's the new provincial law that is at issue.

This is what you said. Note that you are falsely conflating the two issues here.

Excuse me, my lord.

I guess we need thirty five threads on the Olympics, to compete with the 600 on Obama.

When you don't get the difference between the two issues and demean people because of your ignorance, yes, we do need separate threads. If you could differentiate the issues, I obviously would not have said that, and you wouldn't have ended up feeling like a peon.
 

taxslave

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There is a huge difference between protesting and disrupting. While those not in favor of the games have a right to voice their opinions they do not have the right to disrupt the games. Those of us who want to see the games have a right to watch what we want without fear of being blown up by someone with their own agenda. We also have the right to get to the various venues unimpeded by protesters. This is what the bylaw is about. Freedom to participate in an important and exciting event without fear for our safety. The rent a riot crowd in Vancouver has a history of violence and ignoring law abiding citizens rights.
 

taxslave

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Perhaps by showing the rest of the world we are on the map, but any economic benefit will be limited to the lower mainland and the rest of BC will be paying for it for decades. But I hope not. I really do hope that ALL of BC can realize a net benefit.

Not sure about the ski hills in your area but several teams are using Mt. Washington for practice so there will be a huge boost to tourism, the air line and even B.C. Ferries during a slow period. Probably keep the local hospital busy as well. The info I got was around 1500 people for over a month at Mt. Washington.
 

Cannuck

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But if you did any reading, you'd realize that the above is not what is in dispute now, it's the new provincial law that is at issue.

But if you knew how web forums worked you would know that this thread is about the Vancouver bylaw. You would also know that my posts refer to the bylaw because I quoted the article that referred to the bylaw.

If you want to discuss the provincial law then just say so. It may also help to post what it says and what it does so that everybody that is unaware of it can be brought up to speed (at least before you try and criticize somebody for "not reading").
 

mabudon

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that "liberal vs. conservative" thing was very clever and eye-opening, you should submit it to the "idiotic junk e-mail" corporation and see if you can't get every smug-about-their-base-stupidity person who proudly identifies as that type of "conservative" to smugly forward it to everyone they know in order to show off their intelligence.

Even better, get it put on t-shirts so I know who doesn't deserve pulled punches
 

Kreskin

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There are bylaws already in effect. People need permits to erect signs, but to enforce the bylaws the enforcement orders must be served to the property owner in person or by mail. This legislation says that if the owner cannot be found to be served within a 24 hour period then action can be taken to take down a sign that doesn't have a permit.
 

TenPenny

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But if you knew how web forums worked you would know that this thread is about the Vancouver bylaw. You would also know that my posts refer to the bylaw because I quoted the article that referred to the bylaw.

If you want to discuss the provincial law then just say so. It may also help to post what it says and what it does so that everybody that is unaware of it can be brought up to speed (at least before you try and criticize somebody for "not reading").

It's all part and parcel of the same thing. People are not allowed to express themselves, because of the Olympics.

Apparently, the Olympics are such a fragile thing that no one should be allowed to think in public, or express themselves.

Coming on the heels of Beijing, it's quite amusing. No wonder Canada doesn't make an issue of China's human rights record. BC wants to be just like them.

City bylaw or Provincial act, it's a gross insult to most Canadians, but I see that lots of people seem to think it's acceptable.
 

Cannuck

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It's all part and parcel of the same thing. People are not allowed to express themselves, because of the Olympics.

As has been pointed out, you are wrong. This bylaw does absolutely nothing of the sort.

but I see that lots of people seem to think it's acceptable.

What you see is not clear because of your confusion. First you have to show how people are not free to express themselves before you can claim that this lack of freedom is acceptable to some. You have put the cart before the horse and have, therefore, failed miserably.
 

Niflmir

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It's all part and parcel of the same thing. People are not allowed to express themselves, because of the Olympics.

Apparently, the Olympics are such a fragile thing that no one should be allowed to think in public, or express themselves.

Coming on the heels of Beijing, it's quite amusing. No wonder Canada doesn't make an issue of China's human rights record. BC wants to be just like them.

City bylaw or Provincial act, it's a gross insult to most Canadians, but I see that lots of people seem to think it's acceptable.

You're totally right! Relaxing restrictions on advertising is totally censorship!

Wait a minute... No it's not. It is the complete opposite of censorship.
 

Kreskin

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Most Vancouverites don't want to showcase organized trouble-makers during the Olympics. If you want a sign, apply for a permit now.
 

Kreskin

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What some are fighting for, under the auspices of free speech, is the right to break the law and not have the law enforceable during the Olympics. Why is this considered a right?