A fifth of European Union will be Muslim by 2050

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I don't think the majority of Europeans will be too pleased if Europe ends up becoming more Muslim than it is now, except those Europeans who live in Muslim nations such as Bosnia or Turkey.

In 2001, there were race riots between whites and Asians in several cities throughout the North of England.

On 7th July, violence broke out in Bradford, Britain's sixth-largest city and which has a large Muslim population, after crowds at an Anti-Nazi League rally discovered that National Front sympathisers were gathering in a nearby pub.


Bradford, West Yorkshire

Broken bottles, bricks and petrol bombs were thrown by the rioters.
By the evening police had made 18 arrests - 11 whites and seven Asians.

But the main violence took place in Oldham, in May 2001. Oldham also has a large Muslim population

They were the worst racially-motivated riots in the UK since 1985, even briefly eclipsing the sectarian violence seen in Northern Ireland.

On Sunday 27th May and Monday 28th May 2001, the Glodwick area of Oldham saw the use of petrol bombs, bricks, bottles and other missiles by up to 500 Asians youths thrown at riot police. 20 people were injured, including 15 police officers, and 37 were arrested.


The Glodwick area of Oldham, complete with a green-domed mosque

Other parts of Oldham such as Coppice and Westwood were also involved.

On 26th May, the Live and Let Live pub was attacked with petrol bombs and cars were set ablaze. 32 vehicles were damaged.

All these riots were the worst race riots in the UK since 1985, when rioting in Birmingham left two people dead and several buildings gutted with firebombs.

More violence broke out when a black woman, Cherry Groce, was mistakenly shot by police who burst into her home looking for her son in connection with an armed robbery. More than 50 cars are set alight and two shops gutted. Police Constable Keith Blakelock was also hacked to death with knives and machetes.

Asians - including those of Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Indian heritage - make up 11 % of Oldham's population.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that if the Muslim population of Britain increases, then riots such as those seen in 2001 will be more commonplace on our streets and probably far more violent.

In the last four years, the Muslim population in Britain has grown by 500,000 to 2.4 million, meaning that the Muslim population has grown ten times faster than the rest of the country.

There are 42.6 million Christians in the UK, but while the biggest Christian population is among over-70s bracket, for Muslims it is the under-4s.
 
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YukonJack

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I was born there. Thank God, I had the courage and the wisdom (at the age 17) to leave that cesspool.

I am not overly religious, but I would rather die than be Muslim.
 

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"A fifth of European Union will be Muslim by 2050"
aaawwww Boohoo. Poor babies. All I have to say is "life's a bitch, get used to it".
 

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You're assuming the trend will reverse without providing any data or logical reasoning to back up that assumption.

I am not assuming anything, Extrafire. On the contrary, what I am saying is that it is wrong to assume anything. You cannot make any kind of prediction as to what Europe (or the world) will be like 50 years from now.

It is my hope that Europe looks pretty much same as today (liberal, progressive, multicultural, a bit more Muslim). That is not my prediction.
That would be my hope too, but taking all factors into consideration, it appears to be a vain hope.

And when you said this:
But you are right, 20% by 2050 sounds more like it, and that is what I would expect.
that isn't expressing a hope, it's a predicton.
 

Extrafire

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we are slowly heading toward eventual conflict whether we chose to believe or
or understand it. There will be conflict between Muslims and the rest of society.
You can take that to the bank. Look at all the conflicts in the world today, both domestic and international. All most all involve Muslims.
 

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Really? I'm not aware of any. Please educate me.
Oh, excuse me, there are no Christians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Northern Ireland, Colombia, etc. I guess I was mistaken. Amazing thing though is how much the population of atheists and Muslims has grown at the expense of the faithful Christians. lol
 

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There are hardly any Christians left in Iraq, Anna. There were plenty of Christians in Iraq during Saddam’s days. His Prime Minister was a Christian. Indeed, the only good thing that could be said about Saddam was that he did not persecute Christians.

All that changed after Bush invaded Iraq. In the ensuing unrest, lawlessness and confusion that followed, many Christians were persecuted and driven out of Iraq. I don’t know how many Christians are left in Iraq, but there probably are a lot fewer than there were before Bush invaded Iraq.
 

AnnaG

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There are hardly any Christians left in Iraq, Anna. There were plenty of Christians in Iraq during Saddam’s days. His Prime Minister was a Christian. Indeed, the only good thing that could be said about Saddam was that he did not persecute Christians.

All that changed after Bush invaded Iraq. In the ensuing unrest, lawlessness and confusion that followed, many Christians were persecuted and driven out of Iraq. I don’t know how many Christians are left in Iraq, but there probably are a lot fewer than there were before Bush invaded Iraq.
Yeah, so?
 

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I don't think the majority of Europeans will be too pleased if Europe ends up becoming more Muslim than it is now, except those Europeans who live in Muslim nations such as Bosnia or Turkey.

In 2001, there were race riots between whites and Asians in several cities throughout the North of England.

I should point out that in North America we use the term 'Asian' differently. When we say 'Asian', we usually mean 'Far-Easterners', while many Britons will be referring to 'Middle-Easterners'. Also, not all whites are non-Muslim, and not all Asians are Muslim. There are no necessary parallels between race and religion, as religion is not genetic.

On 7th July, violence broke out in Bradford, Britain's sixth-largest city and which has a large Muslim population, after crowds at an Anti-Nazi League rally discovered that National Front sympathisers were gathering in a nearby pub.


Bradford, West Yorkshire

Broken bottles, bricks and petrol bombs were thrown by the rioters.
By the evening police had made 18 arrests - 11 whites and seven Asians.

But the main violence took place in Oldham, in May 2001. Oldham also has a large Muslim population

They were the worst racially-motivated riots in the UK since 1985, even briefly eclipsing the sectarian violence seen in Northern Ireland.

On Sunday 27th May and Monday 28th May 2001, the Glodwick area of Oldham saw the use of petrol bombs, bricks, bottles and other missiles by up to 500 Asians youths thrown at riot police. 20 people were injured, including 15 police officers, and 37 were arrested.


The Glodwick area of Oldham, complete with a green-domed mosque

Other parts of Oldham such as Coppice and Westwood were also involved.

On 26th May, the Live and Let Live pub was attacked with petrol bombs and cars were set ablaze. 32 vehicles were damaged.

All these riots were the worst race riots in the UK since 1985, when rioting in Birmingham left two people dead and several buildings gutted with firebombs.

More violence broke out when a black woman, Cherry Groce, was mistakenly shot by police who burst into her home looking for her son in connection with an armed robbery. More than 50 cars are set alight and two shops gutted. Police Constable Keith Blakelock was also hacked to death with knives and machetes.

Asians - including those of Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Indian heritage - make up 11 % of Oldham's population.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that if the Muslim population of Britain increases, then riots such as those seen in 2001 will be more commonplace on our streets and probably far more violent.

In the last four years, the Muslim population in Britain has grown by 500,000 to 2.4 million, meaning that the Muslim population has grown ten times faster than the rest of the country.

There are 42.6 million Christians in the UK, but while the biggest Christian population is among over-70s bracket, for Muslims it is the under-4s.

Interesting article. The way it keeps jumping back and forth between race and religion is particularly revealing, as it seems to suggest a belief that the two are intertwined in some way, ignoring the fact that some whites adopt Islam, just as some Asians leave Islam.

I like what they've done in Quebec since last September with compulsory world religion courses province-wide. When I lived in the province a few years ago, the provincial government actually had to set up a help line for concerned parents who could call in to find out about this or that religion their child had converted too, mainly to reassure them and provide factual information. It's pretty sad when the people are so ignorant of religion that the provincial government has to set up a helpline just to calm them down. I'm sure this may be a reason for the compulsory courses in world religions, so as to prevent the religious prejudices sweeping many populations. Many parents in Quebec have fought the course in court, and have lost on the grounds that the course does not impose religion, but merely knowledge of world religions. India has had such compulsory courses in school too, as education is an effective way to break down religious prejudices.

Ontario ought to do the same.
 

Machjo

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Really? I'm not aware of any. Please educate me.

Did you know many Christians in Lebanon are sympathetic to the Hizbullah? Surprise, surprise. For the most part, they are closer to Arabs than they are to Israelis, and do not appreciate Westerners sticking their noses in Middle-Eastern Politics.

I remember watching a programme just a few weeks ago in which a Lebanese Christian politician was critical of Westerners in their unconditional support for Israel and was sympathetic to the Arab opposition to Israel. To be fair, we ought to bear in mind though that though Christian, he was an Arab too, and so would naturally identify more closely with Arabs than foreigners. But it just goes to show.
 

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I should point out that in North America we use the term 'Asian' differently. When we say 'Asian', we usually mean 'Far-Easterners', while many Britons will be referring to 'Middle-Easterners'. Also, not all whites are non-Muslim, and not all Asians are Muslim. There are no necessary parallels between race and religion, as religion is not genetic.

You make a good point, Machjo. At least in Britain, a substantial population of Asians is Hindu (and I think also in Germany). So at least in Britain, the percentage of Muslims would be much lower than percentage of Asians. There is no love lost between Hindus and Muslims.
 

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Oh, excuse me, there are no Christians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Northern Ireland, Colombia, etc. I guess I was mistaken. Amazing thing though is how much the population of atheists and Muslims has grown at the expense of the faithful Christians. lol
Northern Ireland is fighting again?

You're splitting hairs to twist my words around. Perhaps if I'd said that Muslims were stirring up trouble?
 

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Northern Ireland is fighting again?
Actually, no. I was perusing an old list of conflicts.

You're splitting hairs to twist my words around. Perhaps if I'd said that Muslims were stirring up trouble?
Sheeeesh. Extrafire, I was joking. There are Muslims everywhere and there are Christians everywhere. They are two of the biggest religions. There's bound to be either in just about any conflict.
I knew you meant causing trouble. :D Please, don't you be as humorless as Sir Jehovah Pompass. lol
 

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There was anti-Islamic violence in Birmingham yesterday.

Members of the English Defence League, who were protesting against Islamic extremism (therefore, in my view, they were justifiable protests) clashed with "anti-fascist protesters" (who were just a group of young Muslims, many of whom probably support Islamic terrorism).

Shoppers looked on horrified as the two groups hurled bricks and bottles at each other in the New Street area of the city.

Some of the English Defence League members held placards, some saying "No More Mosques". Some wore T-shirts saying "British By Birth, English By The Grace of God."

30 people were arrested.

The English Defence League says on its website: "The English Defence League (EDL) has been formed by English people who are tired of our Government letting Terrorists preach Murder on our streets. It is not an act of Fascism to oppose Terrorists and Sharia. People of England, Wake up. Before it's too late."

Police arrest 30 after violent street clashes between anti-fascists and right-wing 'English Defence League' protesters in Birmingham


By Daily Mail Reporter
06th September 2009
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Officers were trying today to identify more people involved in violent scenes at a right-wing protest which resulted in dozens of arrests.

More than 30 people were arrested in Birmingham city centre yesterday when anti-fascist campaigners fought with supporters of a rally against Islamic fundamentalism by The English Defence League (EDL).

As shoppers looked on, gangs of men and youths hurled bottles at one another and pelted riot police with bricks in the New Street area of the city, close to the main train station.


Clashes: The English Defence League demonstration in Birmingham on Saturday


Police officers hold back members of the public protesting during the event

The disorder - which followed similar violent scenes at an EDL protest last month - involved around 200 people and spilled on to the adjoining Bennetts Hill, a street lined with a number of pubs popular with shoppers.

West Midlands Police said a group of more than 20 men were arrested on a bus in Digbeth High Street.

Later a 'significant' number of people were also detained from buses that left the Bennetts Hill area.

They were taken into custody at stations across the city.


Anti-fascist protesters clash against riot police in Birmingham's city centre


The anti-fascist campaigners were demonstrating against members of the English Defence League


English Defence League supporters hold aloft the flag of Israel and gesture to police as they are corralled into a subway following the demonstration

Detective Chief Inspector Sue Southern said: 'Officers acted quickly and robustly to quell pockets of disorder caused by several groups of 20 to 30 men.

'Shoppers in and around the Bullring shopping centre were unaffected by the disorder, with retailers reporting no effect on trade.'

She added: 'Officers will continue to work to identify any persons involved in the disorder.

'If criminal acts or racially aggravated incidents are reported, then police will arrest and prosecute anyone found to be responsible.'

Police said they were well prepared after last month's trouble.

Earlier this week the force, along with Birmingham City Council, obtained an order from the Home Secretary banning protesters from the Bullring area of the city, under section 14a of the Public Order Act.


An English Defence League supporter holds up a banner during the event


A police officer restrains a man as the demonstration becomes violent


Contained: English Defence League supporters are herded into a pub entrance

Under the same legislation, Chief Constable Chris Sims passed an order restricting the protests to two locations - Lancaster Circus and Old Square.

But after meeting on Broad Street in the city's entertainment district, demonstrators proceeded to New Street, around half a mile away, and trouble ensued.

Publishing details of the protest plans on its website, the English Defence League had urged supporters to avoid being drawn into violent clashes.


Members of the English Defence League shout at police and anti-right wing protesters during the rally


A man lies face-down on the ground as police quell the troublemakers

It said: 'We would like to state that anyone who wishes to cause trouble, or use this demonstration to voice any other issues other than Islamic fundamentalists, radical Islam and Sharia will be turned away.

'We are not a fascist organisation and urge anyone who knows of anybody who is intent on causing trouble on the day to contact us.'


All aboard: Protesters (above and below) are moved by police on to buses during the demonstration organised by the English Defence League




The group predicted the demonstrations would be a 'great day out', adding: 'We are confident that, due to the support and communications with West Midlands Police, this looks set to be a great day out for all concerned.'

Ms Southern said: 'The chair of the city centre partnership has commented on how successful today's operation has been in enabling the busy retail area of Birmingham to carry on trading unaffected by events elsewhere.'


A demonstrator displays the logo on his shirt, revealing his alliance to the English Defence League

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Looks like both sides were wrong. 'No more mosques' is a clear indication of an intent to suppress freedom of religion. However, the Anti-Fascist League would have been wise to stay away. The riot just makes both sides look like thugs. Had the Anti-Fascist League stayed away, only the EDL would have come across looking like thugs or at least prejudiced. I'm sure British-born Muslims, or even Anglo-Saxon Muslims, exist in the world of today. Even the British J.M. Rodwell felt compelled to translate a version of the Koran in the 1800s along with critical footnotes in an attempt to counter conversion to Islam in his time! This this is nothing new. It's just plain Islamophobia.
 

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Actually, no. I was perusing an old list of conflicts.

Sheeeesh. Extrafire, I was joking. There are Muslims everywhere and there are Christians everywhere. They are two of the biggest religions. There's bound to be either in just about any conflict.
I knew you meant causing trouble. :D Please, don't you be as humorless as Sir Jehovah Pompass. lol
:p I took it as a serious comment. I guess I'm too used to responding to SJP.
 

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If I remember correctly Austria objected to accepting Turks and others Arab, etc.as refugees and the all you Dick's called it racist and placed sanctions on Austria--the people continued to support the government ,sanctions were dropped 6 months later. The next government had a change of heart and Turks who twice invaded , sieged, raped and murdered are back.
This is much more than a simple matter of real estate. Demographics could figure heavily in how Jerusalem is partitioned in a future peace deal. If that happens, it is expected the city will be split along ethnic lines — Jewish neighborhoods to Israel, Arab neighborhoods to Palestine.
Ethnic lines??? White Jews, Black Jews., Yellow Jews, Purple Jews-ethnic line?