Candians travelling abroad can't depend on our government

[earth_as_one]

Canadians living abroad are just as much Canadian citizens as Canadians living in Canada. There is only one level of citizenship.

Many Canadians live abroad longterm for a variety of valid reasons and they are no less Canadian citizens than other Canadians. This includes people teaching English or French, doing missionary work, diplomacy or working at Canadian embassies and consulates, international trade, representing Canadian companies with foreign offices abroad and so on.

I'm amazed how easily some Canadians will smear other Canadians with negative propaganda rather than recognize rights taken away from one Canadian citizen affects all Canadians.

The ICRC has an international reputation for being objective and fair. While they have no mandate to enforce, they do have a mandate to investigate abuses and non-compliance without interference. Typically they don't publicize their findings except in extreme cases. They will report their findings privately to other signatory states, so that all signatory states know who is and isn't repecting international law and can act accordingly. Yes they have a quasi-legal status, because states voluntarily sign the applicable treaties and recognize their authority. No state is obligated to recognize the authority of the ICRC unless they sign the applicable treaties.

 

[earth_as_one]

Curious CB, how would you determine which Canadian citizens have full Canadian citizenship rights while abroad and which don't?

 

[CDNBear]

Canadians living abroad are just as much Canadian citizens as Canadians living in Canada. There is only one level of citizenship.

Legally? Yes, in principal and practice? No.

Many Canadians live abroad longterm for a variety of valid reasons and they are no less Canadian citizens than other Canadians. This includes people teaching English or French, doing missionary work, diplomacy or working at Canadian embassies and consulates, international trade, representing Canadian companies with foreign offices abroad and so on.

Nice try, but those are not people consider "Canadians of convenience" and you know.

I'm amazed how easily some Canadians will smear other Canadians with negative propaganda rather than recognize rights taken away from one Canadian citizen affects all Canadians.

Funny, hundreds of thousands of Canadians travel annually, no issues. Three or four have a little trouble and here you are. Ideologically driven to be sure. Try critical and or analytical thought next time.

The ICRC has an international reputation for being objective and fair.

Except for being self serving and almost as biased as AI.

While they have no mandate to enforce, they do have a mandate to investigate abuses and non-compliance without interference.

And as per the norm with all organisations who's livelihood depends of "x", they find "x" wherever they look.

Typically they don't publicize their findings except in extreme cases. They will report their findings privately to other signatory states, so that all signatory states know who is and isn't repecting international law and can act accordingly.

:lol:

I'll take that as your way of conceding to the fact that the ICRC is not what you originally claimed they were.

Curious CB, how would you determine which Canadian citizens have full Canadian citizenship rights while abroad and which don't?

Those that aren't living in another nation as their primary home.

 

[earth_as_one]

CB, if you found yourself in the shoes of any of these Canadian citizens, I bet you'd sing a different tune. Better check the photo on your passport.

 

[CDNBear]

CB, if you found yourself in the shoes of any of these Canadian citizens, I bet you'd sing a different tune. Better check the photo on your passport.

EAO, I have no worries. Anyone that lives in the level of paranoia you are expressing here, should seek help.

Like I've said a couple times now...

Out of literally hundreds of thousands of Canadians traveling abroad. Three or four running into trouble, does not an issue make.

Here's some stats...

Holy crap I stand corrected...

4.4 million trips by Canadian outside Canada in 2008...

The Daily, Thursday, September 18, 2008. Travel between Canada and other countries

 

[earth_as_one]

The National Post has asserted, that of the 15,000 evacuated, about 7,000 may have returned to Lebanon within a month of being evacuated.

That's over half, that's bad optics EAO.

eao: I guess math isn't your strong suit CB.

The National Post's estimate didn't distinguish between those Canadians living in Lebanon who consider Canada to be their home or not, because that would be impossible. The intent was to imply that the 7000 Canadians who returned to Lebanon after the fighting ended aren't really Canadians like the rest of us. Since the Canadians Israel killed in Lebanon that summer aren't really Canadians like the rest of us, Canadians shouldn't be concerned or demand our government hold Israel accountable for their actions.

Quoting earth_as_one Canadians living abroad are just as much Canadian citizens as Canadians living in Canada. There is only one level of citizenship.

Legally? Yes, in principal and practice? No.
Canada is a nation of laws in principle and practice. I see it as a problem when our government ignores Canadian law. I find it scary that some people think that only some Canadian citizens are entitled to full rights.

Nice try, but those are not people consider "Canadians of convenience" and you know. eao: Your grammer isn't that clear, but I'm going to interpret the above as an assertion that I know who is and who isn't a "Canadian of convenience".

From what I have observed, the slur "Canadians of convenience" applies mostly to Muslim Canadians with dark skin color. The derogatory term has never been applied to the 20,000 Canadian citizens living in Israel or White Anglo-Saxon Protestants living in the UK as far as I know.

BTW CB, does your definition of who is a "Canadians of convenience" include any of the 20,000 Canadians living in Israel?

IMO and under Canadian law, all Canadian citizens have the same rights, regardless where they were born, how long they live outside Canada or which country they currently reside. The term "Canadians of convenience" is a derogatory propaganda term with no legal meaning. The purpose of this term is de-legitimize the rights of some Canadians living abroad.

Funny, hundreds of thousands of Canadians travel annually, no issues. Three or four have a little trouble and here you are. Ideologically driven to be sure....

Those that aren't living in another nation as their primary home.

All Canadian citizens are equal under our laws. Canadians expect that our government will do their best to assist Canadians who run into trouble while traveling abroad. Its understood that the Canadian government's ability to assist Canadians abroad is limited, but their intent should be to render assistance, not ignore their pleas for help or worse... assist in the abuse.

Far more than three cases exist where the Canadian government has failed to help Canadians abroad. These are just the three most outrageous well known cases. In all three cases, the Canadians were Muslims with dark skin color. I doubt that's a coincidence.

 

[L Gilbert]

What is a "Canadian of convenience"? Someone who uses their citizenship as a convenience? Like Paul Martin, EG? He thought it convenient to live here and have his business registered in another country. Wifey and I find it convenient to be Canadians because we were born here. It's convenient to be a Canadian citizen so when you travel abroad, the gov't can ignore you if you can't come back for whatever reason? What a ridiculous comment.
How Canadians are treated abroad by our own government has been a joke for as long as I can remember. It's an abject failure on the part of our government regardless of what party has formed the government.
Why haven't ANY of our governments said much about the safety of Canadian women on cruise ships, for instance? Why haven't they pressured cruise lines to take the situation more seriously and quit impeding investigations?

 

[TenPenny]

Not quite. If you are born here yes but there are thousands of people from around the world that are Canadians of convenience. I see no reason for my tax dollars to be used to extract them from various hot spots around the world.

Ah, the old double standard of citizenship.

I resent my tax dollars being spent to support people like you.

 

[CDNBear]

eao: I guess math isn't your strong suit CB.

Ya I know, wtf was that? I guess I was to busy making sure the boys were getting ready to head to the Rez yesterday, and not giving that post enough consideration, thanx for noting that...

The National Post's estimate didn't distinguish between those Canadians living in Lebanon who consider Canada to be their home or not, because that would be impossible. The intent was to imply that the 7000 Canadians who returned to Lebanon after the fighting ended aren't really Canadians like the rest of us.

That's right, when the only reason you keep your Canadian citizenship, is to have an escape route, you are a Canadian of convenience.

Since the Canadians Israel killed in Lebanon that summer aren't really Canadians like the rest of us, Canadians shouldn't be concerned or demand our government hold Israel accountable for their actions.

That's right.

Canada is a nation of laws in principle and practice. I see it as a problem when our government ignores Canadian law. I find it scary that some people think that only some Canadian citizens are entitled to full rights.

That's ok, I find it terrifying that some Italian Canadian still support Nazi's.

eao: Your grammer isn't that clear, but I'm going to interpret the above as an assertion that I know who is and who isn't a "Canadian of convenience".

Again, I just wasn't paying attention to what I was writing as I planned the days outing, but you know full well, that what I meant and that people who are missionaries, tech workers, aid workers and the like are not considered Canadians of convenience. I'm going to give you the benefirt of the doubt here, and assume that you're being willfully obtuse and not really that stupid.

From what I have observed, the slur "Canadians of convenience" applies mostly to Muslim Canadians with dark skin color. The derogatory term has never been applied to the 20,000 Canadian citizens living in Israel or White Anglo-Saxon Protestants living in the UK as far as I know.

Then let me be the first to do so, yet again, and since I have never qualified my opinion on the subject with a specific group, and always maintained the word "Anyone" as the only criteria, you can quote me on this at anytime. Anyone, as I have always said, that uses a Canadian passport as a matter of convenience, should be turfed out on their ear.

I don't care what colour or religion they are.

BTW CB, does your definition of who is a "Canadians of convenience" include any of the 20,000 Canadians living in Israel?

Yep, do I really have to say it yet again? Unlike you eao, I don't make such distinctions. Then again I have no need for Nazi'esque ideologies either.

IMO and under Canadian law, all Canadian citizens have the same rights, regardless where they were born, how long they live outside Canada or which country they currently reside. The term "Canadians of convenience" is a derogatory propaganda term with no legal meaning. The purpose of this term is de-legitimize the rights of some Canadians living abroad.

The law may give credence to your assertion, of which I have never denied. But I am of the continued opinion and perhaps because I am a TRUE Canadian, that our country should be no ones bitch. But then again, I guess that's likely because I have a vested interest in her.

eao, I find it extremely funny that you completely ignored the stats that show your fear mongering, paranoia and perpetual wimpering on this subject, to be of little issue to the overwhelming majority of Canadian travelers. I have no doubts as to why, it completely obliterates your premise and the silliness of your hyperbole.

All Canadian citizens are equal under our laws. Canadians expect that our government will do their best to assist Canadians who run into trouble while traveling abroad. Its understood that the Canadian government's ability to assist Canadians abroad is limited, but their intent should be to render assistance, not ignore their pleas for help or worse... assist in the abuse.

Agreed! You are absolutely correct. And since the majority of those in Lebonan weren't travelling abroad, but rather living there, they do not qualify by even your own standards. I'm glad we could come to this conclusion.

Far more than three cases exist where the Canadian government has failed to help Canadians abroad. These are just the three most outrageous well known cases. In all three cases, the Canadians were Muslims with dark skin color. I doubt that's a coincidence.

Neither do I. Since we are at war with a group of them at present, we take a closer look at them as they move through security...seal with it.

 

[TenPenny]

If we want to impose restrictions on Canadian Citizens living abroad, then we should do so. For all citizens.

Treating our own citizens differently because of skin colour or religion is a poor idea. Grandma WASP who lives much of the year in Florida isn't treated this way.

 

[CDNBear]

If we want to impose restrictions on Canadian Citizens living abroad, then we should do so. For all citizens.

I agree...

Treating our own citizens differently because of skin colour or religion is a poor idea. Grandma WASP who lives much of the year in Florida isn't treated this way.

Again, I agree, but then again, Grandma WASP only stays until the OHIP limit i sreached, then returns to secure it once more...;-)

Something else I disagree with.

But alas, she pays taxes in Canada as well, so she gets a pass from moi.

Those that sit on that passport while they are tax paying, voting and all around citizenry of another nation, aren't Canadians. And I don't give a rats ass what colour or religion they are.

 

[Unforgiven]

I agree...

Again, I agree, but then again, Grandma WASP only stays until the OHIP limit i sreached, then returns to secure it once more...;-)

Something else I disagree with.

But alas, she pays taxes in Canada as well, so she gets a pass from moi.

Those that sit on that passport while they are tax paying, voting and all around citizenry of another nation, aren't Canadians. And I don't give a rats ass what colour or religion they are.

This is exactly it! Our laws should change to reflect that too. It's fine to visit another country, it's fine to live part time in another country during the year if it's an equal share of the time, but living for five years in another country without a return to Canada in that time should mean that you're no longer a Canadian citizen unless an expressed exception is made by the government.

 

[earth_as_one]

CB, your opinions are Islamaphobic and racist. Your debating tactics include personal attacks, insults and name calling. In general you are obnoxious and rude. I'm not interested in debating you or lowering myself to your level. I'm putting you on my ignore list.

 

[earth_as_one]

This debate is about the responsibility of the Canadian government to represent the interests of Canadian citizens while they are outside Canada. The following are details of four cases where I feel the Canadian government has acted improperly and/or illegally. Other cases exist, but these cases represent a range of issues and the facts are well known.

Case 1

Canadian citizen Maher Arar is questioned by American authorities in New York city, while enroute to Canada from a family vacation in Tunisia. The Canadian government gave American authorities personal and inaccurate information regarding Arar. American authorities used that information during the interrogation/torture of a Canadian teenager held in Guantanamo (see case 4). Under torture, the Canadian teenager identified a photo of Arar, linking him to al qaeda. US authorities deport the Canadian citizen not to Canada but to Syria, where he imprisoned and tortured repeatedly. Canadian officials are aware of Arar's situation and do nothing to assist him even though they possess evidence disproving all allegations made by a Canadian child's testimony extracted under torture. (At the time Arar was alleged to have been in Afghanistan, he was actually under RCMP surveillance in Canada) Arar finally wins his freedom and returns to Canada thanks to the efforts of his wife. If he had to rely on the Canadian government Arar would still be rotting in a Syrian prison.
Maher Arar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Case 2

Canadian citizen, Suaad Hagi Mohamud was about to return to Canada from a short trip to Kenya. At the airport she is accused by the Canadian government of being an impostor. Kenyan authorities seize her passport and throw her in jail while she awaits a deportation hearing to Somalia. Friends and relative raise bail money, but during her incarcertation in a flea and rat infested prison, she gets a persistent form of pnemonia. Despite numerous supporting pieces of identification, Canadian authorities refuse to investigate her case further or interview Mohamud. They even refuse her offer to provide fingerprints to compare with the ones taken when she became a Canadian citizen. After thre months she finally has to resort to DNA tests to prove her identity. Finally Canadian authorities accept her identity. If Mohamud had to rely on the Canadian government for assistance, she would have been deported to Somalia and never seen Canada or her family again.
TheStar.com | GTA | Suaad and I: A growing respect born of daily calls

Case 3

A Canadian citizen accused of being an associate with al Qaeda is interviewed by CSIS before leaving Canada. He tells CSIS he plans to fly to the Sudan to visit his sick mother. CSIS waits until he is in the Sudan, before putting his name on the UN's no fly list, deliberately stranding him in the Sudan. Then they ask Sudanese authorities to arrest him. While in Sudanese detention Canadian authorities participate in his interrogation/torture. The Canadian government in violation of Canadian law refused to help this Canadian citizen return to Canada as per his constitutional rights. Finally after nearly six years and a Canadian court ruling in his favor, the Canadian government finally respects the right of this Canadian citizen to return to Canada.
Abousfian Abdelrazik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Case 4

Omar Khadr, a Toronto born Canadian citizen goes to Pakistan with his father as a child. Before the events of 9/11, while barely a teenager, his father indoctrinates him into al Qaeda. Soon after 9/11 Khadr's father is killed in Afghanistan by American forces and Khadr becomes a child soldier with al Qaeda. Eventually the 15 year old Canadian teenager finds himself in an Afghanistan compound under attack by American forces. During the firefight several Americans and all the al Qaeda militants except Khadr are killed. Khadr is shot in the back while trying to flee. He is accused of participating in the fighting and killing an American soldier. The Americans take 15 year old Khadr to Guantanamo Bay where he is tortured repeatedly for years. During one of the torture sessions he implicates Maher Arar (see case 1)

Charges against the now 22 year old Khadr have been dropped three times and are currently suspended. American courts have determined that proceedings against Khadr were unconstitutional. Khadr remains a problem for American authorities who want to close Guantanamo. They can't release Khadr, as he is potentially dangerous. They cannot send him to Canada unless the Canadian government asks and the Canadian government isn't asking.

Under international law, Khadr should have been treated as a juvenile. The Canadian government has consistently refused to assist Khadr as per Canadian law. The American treatment of Khadr violated American law and their constitution.

This case isn't about whether Khadr is a nice person or should be set free. The issue is whether the Canadian government respected Canadian and international laws, as well as the rights of a 15 year old Canadian citizen.

If we allow our government to ignore laws and citizenship rights regarding this Canadian, then does this set a dangerous precedent for all Canadians?
Omar Khadr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[earth_as_one]

double post

 

[CDNBear]

CB, your opinions are Islamaphobic and racist.

Speaking of name calling and insults, I challenge to to prove I'm Islamiphobic or racist.

Considering I make no distinction between those I see as Canadians of convenience, Unlike yourself. AND your persistent accusations against Jews/Israeli's and Israel in general. I think this is more a case of the truth hurts and you projecting your own failings.

Your debating tactics include personal attacks, insults and name calling.

You mean just like you just did?

Pot meet kettle...:lol:

You know what the biggest difference between you and I is eao. I can prove what I say about you, you on the other hand, cannot, about moi.

In general you are obnoxious and rude.

Beats myopic and ignorant.

I'm not interested in debating you or lowering myself to your level.

You haven't even risen to my level yet.

I'm putting you on my ignore list.

Ahhh, did I hurt your feelings?

On your iggy list yet again?

I'm shattered...I guess it's just everyone else that will watch me trash your sudo legal BS and quasi-intellectual crap.

You're making a mountain out of 4 cases out of 4.4 million Canadian travelers per annum.

That's what?

0.0000909090909090909% of travelers...:lol:

This debate is about the responsibility of the Canadian government to represent the interests of Canadian citizens while they are outside Canada. The following are details of four cases where I feel the Canadian government has acted improperly and/or illegally. Other cases exist, but these cases represent a range of issues and the facts are well known.

Not to mention they represent your cause celeb...

No eao, this debate is about your issues with our present Gov't, how you filter everything through an ideology and come up with your predetermined conclusions. Using lies, consciously manipulated interpretations of facts and other flawed material and methods.

I see that and call you on them.

Hence your issues with me.

Case 1

Of which has already been introduced serious questions about the lack of Judicial standards.

Case 2

A lot of assumptions in that lil piece of tripe. She was originally detained by the Kenyan authorities. The Canadian authorities accepted their evidence. The mistake was corrected.

Case 3

And I'm supposed to care why? He didn't just go and visit Mommy and you know it. He had a residence there.

Case 4

More BS. You are proving that your issue with me is more that I destroy your hyperbole, then any of your BS accusations against me.

Under international law, Khadr should have been treated as a juvenile. The Canadian government has consistently refused to assist Khadr as per Canadian law. The American treatment of Khadr violated American law and their constitution.

What utter garbage.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] International law does not prohibit the prosecution of child soldiers, although the Optional Protocol places limits (in Article 37 (a)) on the sentences that can be imposed on them:[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No child shall be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Neither capital punishment nor life imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for offences committed by persons below eighteen years of age.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The statute of the UN-sanctioned Special Court for Sierra Leone (regarding a conflict where the involvement of child soldiers in war crimes was widespread) gives the Court jurisdiction over persons aged 15 and older.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Should any person who was at the time of the alleged commission of the crime between 15 and 18 years of age come before the Court, he or she shall be treated with dignity and a sense of worth, taking into account his or her young age and the desirability of promoting his or her rehabilitation, reintegration into and assumption of a constructive role in society, and in accordance with international human rights standards, in particular the rights of the child. (Article 7). [/FONT]

Granted he wasn't treated with dignity, but then again, I still don't care. He really wasn't a Canadian anyways. He and his family believe that Canada should be destroyed and rebuilt as an Islamic Nation.

 

[earth_as_one]

This is exactly it! Our laws should change to reflect that too. It's fine to visit another country, it's fine to live part time in another country during the year if it's an equal share of the time, but living for five years in another country without a return to Canada in that time should mean that you're no longer a Canadian citizen unless an expressed exception is made by the government.

Which of these Canadians should be stripped of their Canadian citizenship?

1) Canadians working at Canadian embassies and consulates around the world. Most live outside Canada for most of their career.

2) Canadians serving in the armed forces living in Afghanistan. Some have spent several years living in Afghanistan.

3) A Canadian working at a Scotiabank office in the Dominican Republic. She's been living there since the branch opened about 10 years ago. She's the branch manager, owns an apartment in downtown Santo Domingo. She rarely goes back to Canada and is married to local person. They have two children who are dual citizens of Canada and the Dominican Republic

4) A Canadian salesperson selling Canadian made products in Japan. He's been in Osaka, Japan for over 2 years now and has a thriving business. Many Canadian companies now depend on him to sell their products in Japan. He's divorced and just started dating a Japanese lady. Looks like it could be serious.

5) A Canadian salesperson's retired mother. She's lives in Japan to help her son look after her grandchildren. Her son is divorced and has custody of the children. The mother has serious mental problems and is institutionalized. She's went with her to Japan son 2 years ago as daycare is difficult to find and expensive in Japan. She is a widow with only one son. She has several Japanese "boyfriends", but none are serious. She is very happy living in Japan with her son.

6) A Canadian salesperson in Germany who specializes in exporting German cars to Canada. He's been living in Germany for over a year now and was recently promoted. He'd like to return to Canada, but anticipates that his employer will open a new dealership in Canada. He's hopeful his employer will promote him again and put him in charge of the new dealership in Canada.

7) A Canadian teaching English at an elementary school in China. She graduated from a Canadian university three years ago with a teaching degree. She had trouble finding work in Canada and accepted an offer to teach in China two years ago. The work has been highly rewarding and she's learning Mandarin and Cantonese. She hopes she will return to Canada to teach, leveraging off the valuable experience she gained in China.

8 ) A Canadian Mormon doing missionary work in Bangladesh. He's hasn't lived in Canada for over 30 years although he does return to Canada occasionally to visit family. While his original purpose in going to Bangladesh was to gain converts to his religion, he started working with Mother Theresa and things changed. Now runs an orphanage in a slum area.

9) A Canadian couple living in Costa Rica. They saved their entire life for retirement. She has arthritis and finds the cold damp Canadian climate unhealthy. He has Seasonal Affective Disorder and finds himself contemplating suicide during Canadian winters. Six years ago, they went to Costa Rica on vacation and loved it. Five years ago they returned and bought a home in the Costa Rican mountains. They come back to Canada periodically to visit their children and grandchildren. Sometimes their relatives travel to Costa Rica to visit them. They don't have a lot of money, but they live comfortably. If they had to move back to Canada now to keep their citizenship, they wouldn't be able to afford a home and would have to rent a cheap appartment far away from their children who live in Toronto.

10 ) A Canadian physician and medical innovator. He gained experience as a doctor while serving with the Canadian forces. Later he went to China to teach medicine and became a communist. He and his medical inventions saved many lives over the years. In China he is consider a hero and they have erected many statues in his honor. Mentioning his name and the fact that you are Canadian immediately causes Chinese government officials to become cooperative and friendly. This person will likely never return to Canada and doesn't think much of the Canadian government or our political system.

In the above cases, please indicate that if Canada revokes a Canadian's citizenship, then which nation is obligated to grant these former Canadians citizenship and how would the Canadian government do that?

Also which branch of the government decides which Canadians living abroad should loose their citizenship and what are the criteria for revoking Canadian citizenship?

Personally I see this as bureaucratic nightmare fraught with potential to cause injustice and harm which infringes on our fundamental rights and freedoms. But if you would like to wade into this mess, go ahead.

 

[CDNBear]

Which of these Canadians should be stripped of their Canadian citizenship?

1) Canadians working at Canadian embassies and consulates around the world. Most live outside Canada for most of their career.

:roll:

2) Canadians serving in the armed forces living in Afghanistan. Some have spent several years living in Afghanistan.

:roll:

3) A Canadian working at a Scotiabank office in the Dominican Republic. She's been living there since the branch opened about 10 years ago. She's the branch manager, owns an apartment in downtown Santo Domingo. She rarely goes back to Canada and is married to local person. They have two children who are dual citizens of Canada and the Dominican Republic

Strip.

4) A Canadian salesperson selling Canadian made products in Japan. He's been in Osaka, Japan for over 2 years now and has a thriving business. Many Canadian companies now depend on him to sell their products in Japan. He's divorced and just started dating a Japanese lady. Looks like it could be serious.

Strip.

5) A Canadian salesperson's retired mother. She's lives in Japan to help her son look after her grandchildren. Her son is divorced and has custody of the children. The mother has serious mental problems and is institutionalized. She's went with her to Japan son 2 years ago as daycare is difficult to find and expensive in Japan. She is a widow with only one son. She has several Japanese boyfriends, none serious. She is very happy living in Japan with here son.

Strip.

6) A Canadian salesperson in Germany who specializes in exporting German cars to Canada. He's been living in Germany for over a year now and was recently promoted. He'd like to return to Canada, but anticipates that his employer will open a new dealership in Canada. He's hopeful his employer will promote him again and put him in charge of the new dealership in Canada.

:roll:

7) A Canadian teaching English at an elementary school in China. She graduated from a Canadian university three years ago with a teaching degree. She had trouble finding work in Canada and accepted an offer to teach in China two years ago. The work has been highly rewarding and she's learning Mandarin and Cantonese. She hopes she will return to Canada to teach, leveraging off the valuable experience she gained in China.

Strip.

8 ) A Canadian Mormon doing missionary work in Bangladesh. He's hasn't lived in Canada for over 30 years although he does return to Canada occasionally to visit family. While his original purpose in going to Bangladesh was to gain converts to his religion, he started working with Mother Theresa and things changed. Now runs an orphanage in a slum area.

Strip.

9) A Canadian couple living in Costa Rica. They saved their entire life for retirement. She has arthritis and finds the cold damp Canadian climate unhealthy. He has Seasonal Affective Disorder and finds himself contemplating suicide during Canadian winters. Six years ago, they went to Costa Rica on vacation and loved it. Five years ago they returned and bought a home in the Costa Rican mountains. They come back to Canada periodically to visit their children and grandchildren. Sometimes their relatives travel to Costa Rica to visit them. They don't have a lot of money, but they live comfortably. If they had to move back to Canada now to keep their citizenship, they wouldn't be able to afford a home and would have to rent a cheap appartment far away from their children who live in Toronto.

Strip.

In the above cases, please indicate that if Canada revokes a Canadian's citizenship, then which nation is obligated to grant these former Canadians citizenship and how would the Canadian government do that?

Who cares.

Also which branch of the government decides which Canadians living abroad should loose their citizenship and what are the criteria for revoking Canadian citizenship?

Immigration Canada.

Personally I see this as bureaucratic nightmare fraught with potential to cause injustice and harm which infringes on our fundamental rights and freedoms. But if you would like to wade into this mess, go ahead.

:lol:

Of course I'm being arbitrary here for sh!ts and giggles. But this is not an easy thing to wade through. Each case need be examined on it's merits.

The first thing we need to do, is abolish the allowance of dual citizenship.

 

[earth_as_one]

Yet another American in trouble in a foreign country has been released with the help of the American government.

This time its the American who was arrested by local authorities when intruded at the home of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, Myanmar's pro-democracy leader and Nobel Peace Prize recipient:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/world/asia/17myanmar.html

 

[CDNBear]

Yet another American in trouble in a foreign country has been released with the help of the American government.

This time its the American who was arrested by local authorities when intruded at the home of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, Myanmar's pro-democracy leader and Nobel Peace Prize recipient:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/world/asia/17myanmar.html

And yet another travesty of justice.

He entered the country illegally, he was convicted of said crime, then he tried to evade house arrest and was summarily convicted of that crime.

He should have been left there to do the time for his crimes.

Anyone that thinks otherwise, while chastising the Canadian Gov't or the Israeli Gov't, for not obeying "laws", should stop being so incredibly ignorant and hypocritical and bigoted.