Tim Horton’s Steps Into a Cow pie!

[SirJosephPorter]

Tim Horton’s was caught flat footed in USA the other day. They agreed to provide 250 cups of free coffee to an organization called “National Organization for Marriage” who were organizing a "Marriage and Family Day".

Now to a Canadian, this sounds fairly innocuous. Average Canadian, when he thinks of family, he thinks of nuclear family, single parent family, gay family (with one or two parents), adopted kids, foster kids etc. There is a general recognition in Canada that a family can come in many different forms. Same way, these days marriage means both homo and heterosexual marriage in Canada.

And this is what may have caught Tim Horton’s offguard. Probably what is why they decided to sponsor "Marriage and Family Day".

Unfortunately, in USA the words ‘family’ and ‘marriage’ have a nauseous, noxious, extreme right wing odour to them. Any organization that has the word ‘family’ in it (e.g. Family Research Council, American Family Association etc.) is probably an extreme right wing organization. In USA, family means nuclear family only, with husband, wife and two kids, with the husband going out in the city to earn the big bucks, while the mousy, submissive wife stays home, cooking and cleaning.

Anyway, after vigorous protests by gay groups, Tim Horton’s realized the error and cancelled the sponsorship.

Tim Horton has more than 500 stores in USA. If they want to continue to expand in USA, they must become familiar with local culture, local customs and act accordingly. The word ‘family’ has totally different connotations in USA and Canada.

TheStar.com | World | Tim Hortons withdraws donation to anti-gay event

 

[lone wolf]

The marriage of Chrysler and Fiat must be raising a lot of eyebrows....

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You know I don’t read your comments, lone wolf, but thanks for being the first to leave a comment in my thread (assuming it was not abusive or anything like that).

 

[Ron in Regina]

The marriage of Chrysler and Fiat must be raising a lot of eyebrows....

It is not abusive or anything like that....& here's a Good Timmy Ho's Story.

Source: Bikers Foil Robbery | News Talk 980 CJME

Bikers Foil Robbery

10 motorcyclists take down would-be armed robber
Reported By Erin Slobodian
Posted August 11, 2009 - 7:30am

A group of bikers took down a would-be armed robber last night.

10 motorcyclists were having a coffee in the Tim Hortons on Regina's Albert Street and
4th Avenue when they noticed two men putting on masks. One of them had a machete.

That's when the bikers took action. Staff-Sgt Brian Wilkinson says the man with the knife
tried to use it on one of the bikers. "A couple of these helpers jumped the bad guy and took
the machete away from him and held him for police."

A 22 year-old man is due in court this morning on a charge of armed robbery and assault
with a weapon. The second suspect escaped.
_________________________________________

Ten Bikers in a coffee shop? Two Thieves try and rob the place with a
jungle knife? I hope these Thieves (one caught, I guess...) are charged
with being Felony Stupid. Makes one wonder if the guy who was
caught even had his shoes on the right feet. Maybe he was just
dropped on his head, often, as a baby.

 

[lone wolf]

8O Rob a Timmies?

That would attract as many cops as an all-night-doughnut shop.....

Hmm.... Horton's on West Lorne.... The unofficial biker clubhouse....

 

[#juan]

Unfortunately, in USA the words ‘family’ and ‘marriage’ have a nauseous, noxious, extreme right wing odour to them. Any organization that has the word ‘family’ in it (e.g. Family Research Council, American Family Association etc.) is probably an extreme right wing organization. In USA, family means nuclear family only, with husband, wife and two kids, with the husband going out in the city to earn the big bucks, while the mousy, submissive wife stays home, cooking and cleaning.

What has an extreme odour, is gays calling Heteros nauseous and noxious. I'm not a gay basher but I get upset when I see this nonsense. My wife and I had two children and we both worked because we wanted to retire at a reasonable age.

Why does the wife have to be mousy and submissive? And why does the wife have to do the cooking and cleaning?

If anything this thread is hetero bashing.

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: ‘Family’ Associations

What has an extreme odour, is gays calling Heteros nauseous and noxious. I'm not a gay basher but I get upset when I see this nonsense. My wife and I had two children and we both worked because we wanted to retire at a reasonable age.

Why does the wife have to be mousy and submissive? And why does the wife have to do the cooking and cleaning?

If anything this thread is hetero bashing.

#juan, I don’t think that this is a blanket statement of what the heterosexual family unit looks like—I think it’s a statement of what the ‘associations’ referenced above (those of very conservative Christian persuasion) would seek to make the most common. It is irrefutable that Christian organizations in the United States of America see homosexuality and family as two completely incompatible concepts, and this is extremely unfortunate. The only thing that is nauseous or noxious about the topic here, is the suggestion that gays and lesbians are incompatible with a healthy family. I don’t think that the United States can move forward on a social level, as a nation, unless the people en masse are able to come to terms with their own fears, misunderstandings and misconceptions of the human condition.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

What has an extreme odour, is gays calling Heteros nauseous and noxious. I'm not a gay basher but I get upset when I see this nonsense. My wife and I had two children and we both worked because we wanted to retire at a reasonable age.

Why does the wife have to be mousy and submissive? And why does the wife have to do the cooking and cleaning?

If anything this thread is hetero bashing.

Don’t ask me why the wife has to be mousy, submissive etc., Juan. Ask the far right, religious right in USA. In USA, extreme right has hijacked words such as ‘family’, marriage’ etc for their own propaganda.

Definition of family according to far right is exactly as I have described, a nuclear family, two kids, husband working outside home, wife a housewife.

And why does the wife have to do cooking and cleaning? I don’t know how extensive is your knowledge of the Bible, but have you heard of the Titus 2 woman? She devotes her life selflessly to her husband, her children and to God, in that order.

Her world revolves around her husband, her family. She is submissive to her husband. After meeting her family obligations, she may be permitted to do some part time work from home (sewing etc.) to earn some pocket money, if her husband approves. That is the religious right concept of the ideal woman. That is the Titus 2 woman.

It is not me who is saying that, it is the ‘family’ organizations (Focus on the Family, Family Research Council etc.), the far right, religious right organizations who are saying that (they have distorted the meaning of the words such as family and marriage).

Tim Horton’s should have been aware of this, since they do business in USA. If they had been, they would have avoided this blunder.

 

[darkbeaver]

I don’t think that the United States can move forward on a social level, as a nation, unless the people en masse are able to come to terms with their own fears, misunderstandings and misconceptions of the human condition.

That says a lot FiveParadox, it is exactly those instilled misunderstandings and misconceptions that makes it now likely to witness the complete disintegration of their national fabric in the coming half decade. There is no social cohesion there is only an ad hoc assembly of rugged individuals, and that's where they stand and that's how they'll fall.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

There is no social cohesion there is only an ad hoc assembly of rugged individuals, and that's where they stand and that's how they'll fall.


And just what is wrong with that, darkbeaver? Where does it say that the society has to be a monolith, all think alike, look alike robots (well, perhaps it does in the Bible)? I think different types of families add diversity, color to the society.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Source: Bikers Foil Robbery | News Talk 980 CJME

Bikers Foil Robbery

10 motorcyclists take down would-be armed robber
Reported By Erin Slobodian
Posted August 11, 2009 - 7:30am

A group of bikers took down a would-be armed robber last night.

10 motorcyclists were having a coffee in the Tim Hortons on Regina's Albert Street and
4th Avenue when they noticed two men putting on masks. One of them had a machete.

That's when the bikers took action. Staff-Sgt Brian Wilkinson says the man with the knife
tried to use it on one of the bikers. "A couple of these helpers jumped the bad guy and took
the machete away from him and held him for police."

A 22 year-old man is due in court this morning on a charge of armed robbery and assault
with a weapon. The second suspect escaped.
_________________________________________

Ten Bikers in a coffee shop? Two Thieves try and rob the place with a
jungle knife? I hope these Thieves (one caught, I guess...) are charged
with being Felony Stupid. Makes one wonder if the guy who was
caught even had his shoes on the right feet. Maybe he was just
dropped on his head, often, as a baby.

This is really Funny (sorry about the Hijack, but check this out).

Source: Regina Police Seek Suspects After Weekend Home Invasion | News Talk 980 CJME

OK....back to the Hetro-Bashing. Sorry about the Hijack, but a good
laugh can be a rare thing, and shouldn't be wasted. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[FiveParadox]

I don’t think that society should have to be the same across the board—I think that a diverse mosaïc is an absolutely fabulous concept and it should be promoted as much as possible. I think that the multicultural fabric that Canada seeks to create is tremendously important, and that it has the potential to be tremendously successful. The key to the success of that mosaïc is this: Whatever the number of cultures that are embedded, there must be some reasonable degree of respect and cohesion between each of those component parts.

I would argue that to a large extent, the United States has adopted a completely and entirely separate concept—where other cultures are welcomed and encouraged, on the condition that diversity is discouraged and dropped as soon as possible so as to conform to the conservative, Christian character of the country (or at least what that character is desired to be). That sort of environment is bound to create resentment, particularly between two pairs of groups: (a) heterosexual conservative Christians, and everyone else; and (b) conservatives and progressives. Though there is a constant battle everywhere between conservatives and progressives, the United States’ battle is not one of disagreement or of visions for the future—it is one of deep-rooted hatred for anything that is different.

 

[Cannuck]

Any organization that has the word ‘family’ in it (e.g. Family Research Council, American Family Association etc.) is probably an extreme right wing organization.

National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association :: Home

 

[gerryh]

National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association :: Home

and now we introduce the pro abortionists as a counter.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

This is really Funny (sorry about the Hijack, but check this out).

Source: Regina Police Seek Suspects After Weekend Home Invasion | News Talk 980 CJME

OK....back to the Hetro-Bashing. Sorry about the Hijack, but a good
laugh can be a rare thing, and shouldn't be wasted. :lol::lol::lol:

Ron, here are a couple of funny (but real) stories about bungling burglars.

A teenager entered a store, produced a gun and asked the cashier for money. The cashier said to him,

“Let me see, are you sixteen years old? You have to be sixteen years old to rob a store.”

“Sure” the guy said, and he produced his driver’s license as proof.

***

A man walked into a store, put a 20 $ bill on the counter and asked for change. As soon as cashier opened the register, he produced a gun and asked for all the money in the register.

When he got all the money, he left in a hurry. In his hurry, he forgot the 20 $ bill on the counter. The cash he took from the register was less than 20$.

 

[Ron in Regina]

The two stories together (in Post#11) allow one (if you read them both)
to Laugh at both the Criminals & the Police. I know I did. :lol::lol::lol:

Two different Stories, both about two Thieves with a Machete, within a
three day span, and separated by three city blocks. Uhmmm....it could
be a coincidence, but really....8O ;-)
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[ironsides]

SirJosephPorter:

Where did you come up with that 1920 era definition? My wife would splatter me all over the place I even tried to follow that definition. Our world revolves around our kids and grandkids, as do the majority of Americans. Granted there are a few throwback to the Cro-Magnon era living in the hills somewhere, but they are a minority. Bet Canadians even have a few hidden away also someplace up there.

Notice the word commonly a father and mother, that is a statement not written in stone as society is showing us these days. No where is religion mentioned either since more and more young people are moving away from it.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Notice the word commonly a father and mother, that is a statement not written in stone as society is showing us these days. No where is religion mentioned either since more and more young people are moving away from it.

I know that, ironsides, and that represents a big problem for the religious right. I have seen statistics that 80% of kids from Fundamentalist households who go on to university end up losing their faith. Fundamentalists have written books, have produced DVDs etc to help parents prevent their kids from getting ‘brainwashed’ at public universities.

Where did you come up with that 1920 era definition?

Easy. Go to the website of almost any organization with the word ‘family’ in it (Focus on the Family, Family Research Council etc.) they say pretty much the same things about women. They insist that wives must be submissive to their husbands. They insists that a woman’s place is in the home, looking after her kids, rather than go out to work.

Religious right is very strong in USA. Up until last year, it practically ruled USA, Bush was a very devout Fundamentalist. Any politician with Bush’s belief will be laughed out of court in Canada. We did have such a political leader, Stockwell day of Alliance Party. He was ridiculed to no end.

The fact that somebody like Bush or Palin can get elected for the President tells me that there is a big gap between USA and Canada where family and marriage are concerned.

Incidentally, look up the description of a Titus 2 woman at any religious right website.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Ironsides, I found the following definition of a Titus 2 woman. This is the commonly accepted role model among religious right women. They claim they try to fit into the stereotype. The reality is different of course. Divorce rate is higher among Fundamentalists than among non Fundamentalists.


Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled (Titus 2:3-5).

Gripped By the Gospel: Being a Titus 2 Woman

 

[AnnaG]

"In USA, family means nuclear family only, with husband, wife and two kids, with the husband going out in the city to earn the big bucks, while the mousy, submissive wife stays home, cooking and cleaning."
^--- :laughing9: Someone's viewpoint hasn't evolved much from the 1800s.

http://www.andover.edu/Academics/Br...dies/Documents/career_paths_to_motherhood.pdf