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Canadian and American health care systems compared

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Government and private health and public policy analysts have compared the health care systems of Canada and the United States.[1][2][3][4] The U.S. spends much more on health care than Canada, both on a per-capita basis and as a percentage of GDP.[5] In 2006, per-capita spending for health care in the U.S. was US$6,714; in Canada, US$3,678.[5] The U.S. spent 15.3% of GDP on health care in that year; Canada spent 10.0%.[5] In 2006, 70% of health care spending in Canada was financed by government, versus 46% in the United States. Total government spending per capita in the U.S. on health care was 23% higher than Canadian government spending, and U.S. government expenditure on health care was just under 83% of total Canadian spending (public and private).[6]
Studies have come to different conclusions about the result of this disparity in spending. A 2007 review of all studies comparing health outcomes in Canada and the US in a Canadian peer-reviewed medical journal found that "health outcomes may be superior in patients cared for in Canada versus the United States, but differences are not consistent."[7] Life expectancy is longer in Canada, and its infant mortality rate is lower than that of the U.S., but there is debate about the underlying causes of these differences. One commonly cited comparison, the World Health Organization's ratings of "overall health service performance", published in 2000, which used a "composite measure of achievement in the level of health, the distribution of health, the level of responsiveness and fairness of financial contribution", ranked Canada 30th and the U.S. 37th among 191 member nations. This study rated the US "responsiveness", or quality of service for individuals receiving treatment, as 1st, compared with 7th for Canada. The average life expectancy for Canada was 80.34 years compared with U.S. at 78.6 years.[8] However, the WHO's study methods were criticized by some analyses. Some argue that Canada has had higher mortality rates for some conditions, such as heart disease being treated using particular medications.[9] Although there is a measure of consensus that life-expectancy and infant mortality mark the most reliable ways to compare nation-wide health care, a recent report by the Congressional Research Service carefully summarizes some recent data and notes the "difficult research issues" facing international comparisons.[10]
The health care system in Canada is funded by a mix of public (70%) and private (30%) funding, with most services delivered by private (both for-profit and not-for-profit) providers.


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jjaycee98

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I hate to think what debts would have hounded me following my daughter's premature birth. Two months in neo-natal ICU can't come cheap....

I had 2 Premature Babies-both born in the USA. My husband is American, although his father was born in Canada and they have relatives living in both countries. (Editted to add...I was born in Canada and moved to the USA when we married) We immigrated to Canada in 1971.
My husband worked for Georgia Pacific, ...Union job, union benefits. Things are way more expensive now, but we paid huge fees compared to our earnings, and to us it was expensive even then. Our medical insurance did not cover "borderline babies". We had very large bills to pay.

My sister in law (living in Washington State) has some type of Cancer and is not getting any treatment because they have no Insurance and can not afford the treatment.

My husband is now 65 and has had a series of health problems. The longest that he has had to wait for any surgeries or tests has been 3 months. We have experienced doctors being pro-active to achieve this and perhaps that makes a difference.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Proof of the pudding is in eating. Forget about individual horror stories, I am sure we could trot out as many on American side as we can on Canadian side (people having to declare bankruptcy, people not getting any treatment etc.). Individual anecdotes are not evidence.

How does American system fair overall? The answer is, miserably. USA spends more in health care per capita than any other country in the world. Yet when it comes to the indicators by which good health is measured, Life expectancy, infant mortality etc., USA ranks dead last among developed countries.

Indeed, the last time I saw, Jordan had a higher life expectancy than USA. So clearly something is wrong somewhere.

Having said that, I don’t see health care reform happening this year, many Americans just don’t like to admit that foreigners may have a better idea.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Here is the list for infant morality. Canada ranks No. 23 in the world, US, No. 33. USA ranks below (oh, the shame of it) Cuba.

List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So whatever Americans claim about their health care, that it is the best in the world (and it is, for those who can afford to pay for it), that health care in other countries is terrible, that in the countries with universal health care (‘socialized medicine’ as Americans disparagingly call it) people are dying for lack of care, dying in the streets etc., the fact is that US health care fails miserably when compared to health care in other developed countries. And that after spending more money on health care (per capita) than any other country in the world.
 

YukonJack

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"How does the coverage differ in Manitoba?"

We found a family doctor within a week. When he referred me to a specialist, I had the appointment within two weeks. In Ontario, my family doctor sent me to the WRONG specialist for which I had to wait six months and when she sent me to the correct one I had to wait another five.

When the specialist concluded that I needed an MRI, I had it in two weeks. In Ontario I never managed to get one.

When my specialist concluded that I need to see a Rheumatolgist, I had the appointment in a week. In Ontario my rhreumatic arthritis wasn't even properly diagnosed.

In Ontario I had to wait five months for an hour and a half orthoscopic surgery to releive excrutiating pain I suffered for more than two years. Based on my experience in Manitoba thus far, I do not think I would have to wait that long here.

Other than that, no difference.
 
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AnnaG

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Sounds like some kind of fear mongering to me. On my recent birthday I turned seventy. I've had two heart attacks and after some tests, I had surgery. A lot of my friends who are roughly the same age, had similar experiences. No long waits, no hassles. Joint replacements are a specialized procedure but waiting times are getting better. There are a lot more things right with Canadian health care than things wrong.
Things sound like a lot of stuff to me, too.
Anyway I agree with you. The closer your problem is to life threatening, the faster you are dealt with according to the theory. Unfortunately, people have to wait in quite severe discomfort sometimes for their procedures. We have a good system, but it wasn't maintained for a long time. It could be a lot better.
A local hospital here is now not much more than a first aid station with a recovery ward for those not quite able to go home. It used to be a thriving hospital with actual surgeries and an intensive care ward. Not any more. You get seriously injured around here and if it's serious enough they might actually treat you with first aid and then you spend another 2 hours in an ambulance ride to Trail. If it is really really serious, they send you to Trail anyway. So much for the idea that the first hour is crucial.
One old fella died from being shuffled around like that not long ago. He fell and the fall ruptured his liver or something vital. They took him to the local used-to-be-a-hospital and they had trouble diagnosing him, so they phoned around and eventually he ended up in Trail Hospital where he died something like 5 hours after he was found. A lawsuit or two is pending. It's happened all over BC, though. The rural areas are downsized and everything is in the major centers. Which is great if you live near one. Others aren't so lucky.
So personal anecdotes are nice but there are always those that differ from yours.
Our healthcare isn't all peachy keen but it could be.
 

SirJosephPorter

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According to the life expectancy table Canada is No. 8 in the world, I don’t see how we can do much better. USA is No. 46.
 

AnnaG

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According to the life expectancy table Canada is No. 8 in the world, I don’t see how we can do much better. USA is No. 46.
:roll: That's you life expectancy when you are born. It's a projection. An educated guess. It means that when you are born you have a chance to make it to 81 or whatever it is. Actual lifespan is something else. Also healthy lifespan is something else. Why do you think I added the other set of stats.
 

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Canadian Healthcare EXERCISE FOR PEOPLE OVER 49

Begin by standing on a comfortable
surface, where you have plenty of
room at each side. With a 5-lb potato
bag in each hand, extend your arms
straight out from your sides and hold
them there as long as you can. Try
to reach a full minute and then relax.
Each day you'll find you can hold this
position for just a bit longer.. After a
couple of weeks, move up to 10-lb
potato bags. Then try 50-lb potato
bags and then eventually try to get to
where you can lift a 100-lb potato bag
in each hand and hold your arms
straight for more than a full
minute.(I'm currently at this level.)
After you feel confident at that level, put a potato in each bag.