Abortion Stats

[AnnaG]

Actually, Gerry is right about reasons given for aborting. Wish I could remember where I read it, but it may be in google somewhere.
Banning abortions is not the answer. That has been researched. Making people aware of the entire process before they get pregnant is an answer and at the same time, knocking some sense into boys' (and some men's) heads. (The ones on their necks, I mean)

 

[gerryh]

Ya sure Gerry.

What would be the legal argument for banning it? That the fetus has human rights and has more rights to the woman's body than she does?

The woman gave up the right to "her own body" when she got pregnant. There is no such thing as an "ooops", you can't get pregnant out of the blue. Only one way to get pregnant, and that is by having sex. Birth control are all just fine and dandy but they are not 100% effective. When you have sex you are always running the risk of getting pregnant. There is only one fool proof guarantee against pregnancy, and that's abstinence.

So...if you choose to have sex, then you should be prepared to give birth.

 

[Kreskin]

30% or more pregnancies result in miscarriage. If abortion is banned because the fetus has human rights then would every miscarriage require a coroners investigation? If the fetus has full human rights, why wouldn't that be the case? By doing that we can check out women to make sure this doesn't happen by negligence or something more sinister.

 

[Kreskin]

The woman gave up the right to "her own body" when she got pregnant. There is no such thing as an "ooops", you can't get pregnant out of the blue. Only one way to get pregnant, and that is by having sex. Birth control are all just fine and dandy but they are not 100% effective. When you have sex you are always running the risk of getting pregnant. There is only one fool proof guarantee against pregnancy, and that's abstinence.

So...if you choose to have sex, then you should be prepared to give birth.

No she didn't give up the rights to her own body. That argument is a lost one. Next?

 

[AnnaG]

I'd say 97% to 99% is a pretty good rate of contraception. And that rate increases if more than one method is used.
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Birth Control Considerations - Effectiveness of Contraception

The expectation that people not to have sex is just plain foolish. One might as well expect people to quit eating or something. It's a natural human activity.

 

[gerryh]

No she didn't give up the rights to her own body. That argument is a lost one. Next?

Wrong, she CHOSE to have sex with the possibility of getting pregnant. Her CHOICE! That's where the choices should end untill after the birth, then she can once again CHOOSE to either kep the baby or put it up for adoption. MURDER should never be on the table as a "choice".

 

[gerryh]

I'd say 97% to 99% is a pretty good rate of contraception. And that rate increases if more than one method is used.
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Birth Control Considerations - Effectiveness of Contraception

The expectation that people not to have sex is just plain foolish. One might as well expect people to quit eating or something. It's a natural human activity.

Then they should be taking responsibility for their actions. Killing the product of their "fun times" is NOT taking responsibility for their actions.

 

[AnnaG]

Then you can raise all the kids with anencephaly, TSD, Spina Bifida, Multiple Sclerosis, etc. and take care of the women's funerals who die as a result of back alley abortions, who die because of delivery complications, etc.

 

[Kreskin]

No, if you want the chuild born then you give birth to it.

 

[gerryh]

Then you can raise all the kids with anencephaly, TSD, Spina Bifida, Multiple Sclerosis, etc. and take care of the women's funerals who die as a result of back alley abortions, who die because of delivery complications, etc.

So..... the majority of abortions fall into this catagory eh?

 

[Kreskin]

The majority of abortions fall into the category of someone feels it is necessary, and that someone knows the situation better than me or you.

 

[gerryh]

The majority of abortions fall into the category of someone feels it is necessary, and that someone knows the situation better than me or you.

and if someone feels it's necessary to kill a 2 week old baby then you will support that decision too?

 

[Kreskin]

No, because a baby who is born has human rights. I think you need to think that one through a little Gerry. Seriously, if you give a fetus human rights at the point of conception, why wouldn't you have a coroners inquest into every miscarriage? Full human rights means not picking and chosing this or that for protection. It would have all the rights that you have. You're trying to satisfy your own personal wishes, which is imposing on others who actually have rights, by creating a hornets nest of legal issues. That's why we don't have any laws now..they simply cause more problems than the solve, and none of it stands up constitutionally.

 

[AnnaG]

So..... the majority of abortions fall into this catagory eh?

I didn't say that. I was replying to this comment you made:

"That's where the choices should end untill after the birth, then she can once again CHOOSE to either kep the baby or put it up for adoption. MURDER should never be on the table as a "choice". "

 

[gerryh]

No, because a baby who is born has human rights. I think you need to think that one through a little Gerry. Seriously, if you give a fetus human rights at the point of conception, why wouldn't you have a coroners inquest into every miscarriage? Full human rights means not picking and chosing this or that for protection. It would have all the rights that you have. You're trying to satisfy your own personal wishes, which is imposing on others who actually have rights, by creating a hornets nest of legal issues. That's why we don't have any laws now..they simply cause more problems than the solve, and none of it stands up constitutionally.

I don't buy it. I see this as fear mongering by the pro abortionists, not unlike the fear mongering of those that opposed SSM. I don't buy the need to kill an innocent to placate the selfish.

 

[Kreskin]

Don't buy it Gerry. I certainly don't buy all the fearmongering, like the late term abortion nonsense.

 

[Francis2004]

There are very little times when Abortion should be used IMO..

But here is the reality.. If you outlaw it, then you create a back alley, coat hanger industry that not only kills the fetus but also the woman carrying the fetus.

That said, more education is required then anything else..

In my case my 18 year old does not go out and have sex because he HAS to take care of her baby brother on a regular basis. It is a requirement of the family commitment for my employment.. So she has learned that a baby is quite the "work" and not just an easy toy she can hand off 2 weeks after birth..

Of course not everyone has a live demonstration in house to use but banning the ability to do something has never stopped people from doing it and now that a pill is available and can easily duplicated in countries that don't give a rat's a$$ because money is what it will all come down to when big pharma is involved, we are in a catch 22..

That's my 2 cents worth..

 

[Liberalman]

76% of mothers who abort thier babies are animal rights activists

 

[Kreskin]

I doubt they are fetal animal rights activists.

 

[Liberalman]

spot and fluffy are more important than human babies