Quit picking on Obama……

[SirJosephPorter]

So far Obama broke 241 of his 500+ campaign promises.

Find the study yourself. I am not your tutor.

Yukon, only 241 out of 500+? You surprise me. As an extreme right winger I would expect you to say that Obama has broken all of the campaign promises (in fact, that he broke them the day he assumed office). Unless you got that number from a far right blog such as Townhall.

If even a right wing extremist like you is saying that Obama has broken less than half of his promises, Obama is doing very well indeed.

 

[captain morgan]

Obama has committed trillions in hopes that it spurs/repairs the economy. As we are seing, it isn't working - yet (and you had better hope that it does).

Give it time, Captain. There are early signs that the worst may be over.

Unemployment is at 9.5% and projected to go up another 1.5%...this occurred in light of the democrat's projection that it would top-out at 8%. Regardless, this stimulus money was supposed to prevent the masssive unemployment.

In the event that it somehow backfires, the democrats will have to raise more money to fix what they've done and start over

Nothing of the sort. If it backfires, Republicans will come to power and it will be up to them to sort it out (if they cannot, of course they will get turfed out again). If it backfires, I seriously doubt that people will trust Democrats to fix it.

the democrats have another 3.5 years to go SJP.. Are you suggesting that they concede gvt?

Take my word for it, the timeframe to pay this mistaken repair bill will be measured in terms of generations.

That was the case even before this, it was going to take generations to pay off the debt. And in case you have forgotten, Republicans were adding to the debt mightily every year, with their huge deficits.

Obama has simply accelerated the process for a couple of years, in order to try to save the economy. It remains to be seen if it works.

Peculiar logic. Just because the USA has a large debt is no reason to mortgage the future 50-60 years further.... That's the liberal-style logic that gt Canada so far in hawk, isn't it?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

That's the liberal-style logic that gt Canada so far in hawk, isn't it?

Captain, you mean that is the conservative logic that got Canada in the hock, don’t you? Mulroney put Canada in the hock big time, even more that Trudeau. Then Liberals rescued the economy, converted huge deficits into healthy surplus. Now another Conservative, your Messiah is putting Canada into hock big time, even bigger than Mulroney ever did.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

the democrats have another 3.5 years to go SJP.. Are you suggesting that they concede gvt?

Wrong, Captain. Obama has another 3.5 years to go, Democrats only have another 1.5 years to go. And why should they concede anything?

Unemployment is at 9.5% and projected to go up another 1.5%...this occurred in light of the democrat's projection that it would top-out at 8%. Regardless, this stimulus money was supposed to prevent the masssive unemployment.

The Bush meltdown is still unraveling, it hasn’t worked itself out yet. And unemployment was expected to go up to 10% eventually, it looks like it may reach that value earlier that expected. But then unemployment is the trailing indicator of how the economy is doing.

There are early encouraging signs, it remains to be seen when the economy recovers.

 

[JLM]

So far Obama broke 241 of his 500+ campaign promises.

Find the study yourself. I am not your tutor.

Hang on there Y.J. - you're getting a little overly ambitious. I believe Obama has about 31/2 years yet to fulfill his campaign promises. As another wise president once said " You can fool some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time but......................."

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Hang on there Y.J. - you're getting a little overly ambitious. I believe Obama has about 31/2 years yet to fulfill his campaign promises. As another wise president once said " You can fool some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time but......................."

You said it, JLM. At the end of four years, we probably will find that Obama kept some of his promises, broke a few others and some promises he never had any intention of keeping (like his opposition to free trade). Obama is a typical politician, not the Devil or Lucifer that his political opponents make him out to be.

 

[JLM]

Unemployment is at 9.5% and projected to go up another 1.5%...this occurred in light of the democrat's projection that it would top-out at 8%. Regardless, this stimulus money was supposed to prevent the masssive unemployment.





the democrats have another 3.5 years to go SJP.. Are you suggesting that they concede gvt?




Peculiar logic. Just because the USA has a large debt is no reason to mortgage the future 50-60 years further.... That's the liberal-style logic that gt Canada so far in hawk, isn't it?

Apparently from what the poohbas say in a recession, after things like slumping sales, slumping home building, slumping banks, slumping employment is one of the last indicators to happen "just before dawn",,,,,,,,,so I'm hoping we may be on the way back up.

 

[captain morgan]

That's the liberal-style logic that gt Canada so far in hawk, isn't it?

Captain, you mean that is the conservative logic that got Canada in the hock, don’t you? Mulroney put Canada in the hock big time, even more that Trudeau. Then Liberals rescued the economy, converted huge deficits into healthy surplus. Now another Conservative, your Messiah is putting Canada into hock big time, even bigger than Mulroney ever did.

Straight from the Liberal central Politburo again, eh SJP?

Go back and read-up on the prior discussion we had about the big picture.. Maybe that'll help you a bit.

 

[captain morgan]

the democrats have another 3.5 years to go SJP.. Are you suggesting that they concede gvt?

Wrong, Captain. Obama has another 3.5 years to go, Democrats only have another 1.5 years to go. And why should they concede anything?

They're planning on conceding both houses in 1.5 years are they?

Unemployment is at 9.5% and projected to go up another 1.5%...this occurred in light of the democrat's projection that it would top-out at 8%. Regardless, this stimulus money was supposed to prevent the masssive unemployment.

The Bush meltdown is still unraveling, it hasn’t worked itself out yet. And unemployment was expected to go up to 10% eventually, it looks like it may reach that value earlier that expected. But then unemployment is the trailing indicator of how the economy is doing.

There are early encouraging signs, it remains to be seen when the economy recovers.

Yawn... The Republicans didn't propose the trillions in hand-outs that have somehow (I still can't believe it) NOT translated into jobs?.. Whew - that's some awesome recovery - only 11% unemployed!

That has got to be the biggest cluster-f*ck in the history of all humanity... Sure, trudeau is a close second in terms of a political leader doing their best impression of a monkey trying to hump a football, but man-o-live, Obama has really crapped the bed on this one.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Straight from the Liberal central Politburo again, eh SJP?

Go back and read-up on the prior discussion we had about the big picture.. Maybe that'll help you a bit.

The big picture is as I said it, Captain. Mulroney put the economy in a ditch, Liberals rescued it and now the Messiah is racking up the deficits like there is no tomorrow.

It is interesting that you blame Obama for racking up huge deficit, but you have nothing but praise for your Messiah for doing exactly the same thing (racking up the biggest deficits in history of Canada).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

That has got to be the biggest cluster-f*ck in the history of all humanity... Sure, trudeau is a close second in terms of a political leader doing their best impression of a monkey trying to hump a football, but man-o-live, Obama has really crapped the bed on this one.

That is not for you to say captain (that is your biased opinion), that is for people to decide in 2012. If Obama has really done such a bad job, no doubt Americans will turf him out in 2012, and elect your Messiah, perhaps Joan of Arc to office.

Anyway, you seem to be very confident that Obama has already messed up the economy. So, are you ready to predict here that he will lose in 2012 (and that Joan of Arc will win)?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

They're planning on conceding both houses in 1.5 years are they?

And why should they do anything like that, Captain? Republicans still have to get their act together big time before they can hope to win control of both the houses back in 2010. It is possible, but not without plenty of hard work, and building coalitions.

If Republicans insist on keeping their party pure, if they insist on purging the moderates from their party, Republicans may stay in opposition for a long time to come. It all depends upon whether the party moves further to the right (as the far right base wants it) or moves to the centre.

So Democrats will not concede anything. If anything, they should try to increase their seats in the Senate. And that is not so far fetched, in spite of there being only 40 Republican senators, I think many more Republican senators are up for election than Democrats.

 

[JLM]

"The big picture is as I said it, Captain. Mulroney put the economy in a ditch, Liberals rescued it and now the Messiah is racking up the deficits like there is no tomorrow."- I've heard a few things lately that makes me wonder if it's actually all that cut and dried. I think to evaluate our fiscal well being as a nation we have to take a look at all jurisdictions, be they federal, provincial or municipal. Not to mention all the different pots in each. Martin definitely did do a good job of reducing- on paper, but I've heard the provinces haven't done as well while he was F.M. I personally don't know what went on, nor would I probably understand all the ramifications of what went on, but I do know I wouldn't bet a pension cheque on any of it.

 

[gopher]

'''Obama has committed trillions in hopes that it spurs/repairs the economy.''

Bush spent even more and nobody from the far right made the slightest complaint. In fact, when I pointed it out some of you from the far right attacked me for saying so.

Where was all your criticism of the corporate communist welfare schemes Bush made up?

So don't worry about Obama. When election time comes along, we patriots will remind everyone of the far right's hypocrisy and that'll win him some votes.

 

[captain morgan]

The big picture is as I said it, Captain. Mulroney put the economy in a ditch, Liberals rescued it and now the Messiah is racking up the deficits like there is no tomorrow.

It is interesting that you blame Obama for racking up huge deficit, but you have nothing but praise for your Messiah for doing exactly the same thing (racking up the biggest deficits in history of Canada).

Is Obama the messiah that you refer too or perhaps trudeau? I notice that whenever his name is mentioned, you immediately refuse to mention HIS name... Does this have anything to do with some form of personal idolatry you maintain for HIM?

BTW - Harper's 50 Billion is (literally) a drop in the bucket compared to your messiah South of the border - or perhaps you believe 50 billion to be equal to trillions?

That certainly explains a lot, doesn't it?

 

[captain morgan]

That has got to be the biggest cluster-f*ck in the history of all humanity... Sure, trudeau is a close second in terms of a political leader doing their best impression of a monkey trying to hump a football, but man-o-live, Obama has really crapped the bed on this one.

That is not for you to say captain (that is your biased opinion), that is for people to decide in 2012. If Obama has really done such a bad job, no doubt Americans will turf him out in 2012, and elect your Messiah, perhaps Joan of Arc to office.

Anyway, you seem to be very confident that Obama has already messed up the economy. So, are you ready to predict here that he will lose in 2012 (and that Joan of Arc will win)?

It is most certainly for me to say... And yes, Obama has already messed-up in a monstrous way. In addition, I believe that Palin will likely be the USA's first female president - a feat that your messiah Clinton could never achieve.

 

[captain morgan]

They're planning on conceding both houses in 1.5 years are they?

And why should they do anything like that, Captain?

I am only asking based on your belief that the democrats have only 1.5 years left.. Your words SJP, not mine.

 

[captain morgan]

"The big picture is as I said it, Captain. Mulroney put the economy in a ditch, Liberals rescued it and now the Messiah is racking up the deficits like there is no tomorrow."- I've heard a few things lately that makes me wonder if it's actually all that cut and dried. I think to evaluate our fiscal well being as a nation we have to take a look at all jurisdictions, be they federal, provincial or municipal. Not to mention all the different pots in each. Martin definitely did do a good job of reducing- on paper, but I've heard the provinces haven't done as well while he was F.M. I personally don't know what went on, nor would I probably understand all the ramifications of what went on, but I do know I wouldn't bet a pension cheque on any of it.

JLM,

I really liked Martin. It is really too bad that he didn't have a clear run at being PM - the country would have benefited greatly.

As for his policies, if memory serves correctly, I recall that Martin was making moves to wean the provinces off of reliance upon the feds for so much support and cash. Personally, I believe that this is a sound policy - making jurisdictions live squarely within their means (as much as possible that is).

I fully agree that the analysis of a nation (overall) is represented by the cumulative 'health' of each individual jurisdiction. Unfortunately, over the last number of years, it is far too common to witness the demands from individual regions that occur at the expense of the rest of the rest country. This attitude breeds a sense of entitlement and serves only to falsely justify practices like extreme and perpetual debt financing or outright vote buying.

 

[captain morgan]

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So don't worry about Obama. When election time comes along, we patriots will remind everyone of the far right's hypocrisy and that'll win him some votes.

Good luck with that Gopher - i believe that will be a tremendous uphill battle telling the electorate that Reps = Bad when their tax rates have increased, wages have dropped, the US greenback weakens and unemployment is in the double digits.

 

[gopher]

If taxes increase (and they shouldn't) it will only be to pay for the deficits created by Bush. I said before and will say again, unlike what the far reich Republicans want, the best thing to do is to ELIMINATE THE INCOME TAX AND TO FORCE THE REPUKEBLICANS TO PAY FOR THE DEFICITS THEY CREATED.