Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election

Machjo

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My pick - Prentice. He's got a bit of class, at least, and is not a total moron. Heck - maybe even a former premier like Gary Filmon, or something along those lines.

Although Harper "united" the right - he's morphed it into something unattractive to the swing voter. Part of the reason the bench is so thin for replacement for him.

I wasn't a huge Reformer fan - but I did like the idea of more grassroots control, and more power to the MPs and away for them PMO. Harper has all but destroyed those concepts in his party - in which HIS MPs are not allowed to talk, or only nod and smiled when directed to.

One conservative I'd consider voting for if he were in my riding would be Scott reid.
 

Machjo

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Actually, if all the Mps were independents, we wouldn't have this election looming on us right now. co-alitions would just form naturally according to each issue that comes up. We might even change PMs a few times as different co-alitions are formed in parliament, yet we'd still need to vote only once every four years. It's the whole party ssytem that got us into this mess, making it impossible for the kids to play nice... Oh, sorry, I meant for all the Honourable Members of the House to work together.
 

SirJosephPorter

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You omit the biggest and most damning contribution that Trudeau and the liberanos left as their legacy... Close to a 200 billion dollar debt amassed during boom times and connected to an interest rate up to 21%. (and lets not forget that the Canadian gvt was the single largest employer in the nation - compared to every industry and sector - and we all know how efficient gvt is, right?)

... Care to defend your patriarch on this, or, lemme guess, it was Mulroney's fault.

What was the debt when Mulroney left office, Captain? It was around 600 billion $. Mulroney almost tripled the debt.

As I said before, Mulroney inherited a bad situation and made it worse.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Yep, Old Pierre just pissed it down the urinal like there was no tomorrow, but then arrogance can do that.

Not as much as Mulroney did, JLM. Mulroney promised to fix the economy and left it in a much worse state than he inherited. Chrétien on the other hand promised to fix the economy and he did.
 

SirJosephPorter

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So Nunavut, the NWT, the City of toronto, and the Arizona Legislature are not democracies I take it?

I think Nunavut, NWT are thinking of switching to the party system. As to Toronto, all the municipal politics is non party in nature, not just Toronto. I think the same hold in USA, at the city level there are no political parties. I don’t know much about Arizona. However, it is significant that out of 50 states only one or two have a non partisan legislature; most of them do have a party system.
 

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What I don't get is the idea that people should be able to work for 2 months, and then collect full EI benefits. That seems to be the sticky point, and I just don't get it. 2 months? And then you qualify for full EI???
 

SirJosephPorter

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What I don't get is the idea that people should be able to work for 2 months, and then collect full EI benefits. That seems to be the sticky point, and I just don't get it. 2 months? And then you qualify for full EI???

That indeed is the sticking point. It remains to be seen if Harper gives in on the issue (he may well do so, he is behind in the polls after all, he may not want to go to an election) or if Liberals force an election on that issue if Harper doesn’t yield.

I personally don’t care about it one way or the other. I don’t contribute to EI (being self employed), and there is no question of my ever drawing ER. If there is an election, I will vote Liberal, but that is the extent of my interest in the matter.
 

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What was the debt when Mulroney left office, Captain? It was around 600 billion $. Mulroney almost tripled the debt.
As I said before, Mulroney inherited a bad situation and made it worse.

Wrong. As much as I dislike Mulroney, you can't say that. It was Michael Wilson under Mulroney who not only attempted and largely succeeded in bringing defecits under control, but also initiated the reduction of our debt. The ONLY reason the debt increased under Mulroney was because of massive interest charges largely due to a reduction in our credit rating.
 

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Wrong. As much as I dislike Mulroney, you can't say that. It was Michael Wilson under Mulroney who not only attempted and largely succeeded in bringing defecits under control, but also initiated the reduction of our debt. The ONLY reason the debt increased under Mulroney was because of massive interest charges largely due to a reduction in our credit rating.

Hogwash!
Mulroney ran a forty or fifty billion dollar deficit every year he was in office. That is why the debt increased. Deficits under control??? Kim Campbell handed Chretien a forty four billion dollar deficit the day he took office. It took Chretien and Martin almost three years to get rid of that deficit.
 
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JLM,

In the end, the past is the past.... However, when all the arm-chair-quarterbacks (myself included) like SJP proffer their subjective analysis, I enjoy asking some tough questions.

I doubt that he'll respond in any objective manner, more likely he'll seek to deflect the issue and vilify another target.

The problem is with guys like S.J. who align themselves with one party or another, whatever answers they come up with are always going to be skewed to the advantage of the party they support. To the Liberals everything Conservative is wrong and to the Cons the same with the Liberals, when in fact they are all wrong about 75% of the time and corrupt about 95% of the time. The proper way of doing things has nothing to do with party policies.
 

Cannuck

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The ONLY reason the debt increased under Mulroney was because of massive interest charges largely due to a reduction in our credit rating.

Yup, within a few years of taking office the difference between the cost of government programs and revenues were significantly reduced so that the deficit was caused entirely by interest payments. High interest rates didn't help. The Liberals balanced the budget in three ways. They benefited from lower interest rates, they downloaded expenses to lower levels of government and they took money from the UI fund. Ralph Klein did the same except that instead of a massive UI fund he had large oil royalties.

Mulroney could not have gone any further as there was no political will in the country to slay the deficit at that time.
 

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Things look bad for Harper, the Liberals are coming and the Conservatives are going and not coming back soon.
 

Machjo

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That indeed is the sticking point. It remains to be seen if Harper gives in on the issue (he may well do so, he is behind in the polls after all, he may not want to go to an election) or if Liberals force an election on that issue if Harper doesn’t yield.

I personally don’t care about it one way or the other. I don’t contribute to EI (being self employed), and there is no question of my ever drawing ER. If there is an election, I will vote Liberal, but that is the extent of my interest in the matter.

You'll vote Liberal with no regard for the character or competence of the Liberal Canadidate in your riding? No partisanship there, eh.
 

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What was the debt when Mulroney left office, Captain? It was around 600 billion $. Mulroney almost tripled the debt.

As I said before, Mulroney inherited a bad situation and made it worse.


Hey JLM... Just as predicted, deflection of the question and referral to Mulroney.


@SJP

Contrary to what Trudeau may have told you... The 21% interest rate on the billions he borrowed didn't stop accruing the moment taht Trudeau left the PMO in shame.

The above is a good reference point regarding how quickly compounded interest accumulates over a short period of time. If you truly have an interest in correctly determining the amount that Mulroney added to the debt, you will consider this blatantly obvious variable along with the fact that the economy went in the tank during Mulroney's tenure.

Perhaps you can offer-up something that is even half-way objective in this analysis as opposed to the expected parroting of the liberal-fringe party line.