Canada A Lackey To USA in Marc Emery Extradtition, Free Marc Emery!!!!!

EagleSmack

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There is no doubt he's screwed.



No Tony Montana, no sting operation, this is thugs in Jackboots.

Colorful but the guy over extended his reach and got caught. It's all fun and games until you get caught.


Right, but they don't for the most part. Hell we tax the exchange here.
The war on drugs isn't about making people safe, or preventing some really bad
drugs from falling into the hands of some kids or something.
The one and only thing it does do is creates a black market for drugs and an industry of incarcerating low level drug users who in reality are a threat to no one.

The war on drugs is about enforcing the law. Change the law...and the war ends.


Well all you have to do is find something where you can empathize. Do you drink or smoke?

Opposition to prohibition got the law changed...the same can work now. The people in charge are mostly Baby Bombers and it is that generation that brought pot into the mainstream. Maybe someday they can change it.

I would imagine that he will do just that and probably more. Marc is a pretty good guy and a smart cookie. But you are going to be paying for it with your taxes to house him for all the time in the US and the what it costs for this whole operation. Do you figure that it's stopped any seed sales or any pot from being smoked?

Do you expect this sort of value from all your purchases? :smile:

I know a lot of people that smoked pot and are brilliant. I also know a lot of people that pot was a step to their demise. I forgot what they call it but it was the search for a better high. A gateway drug?

I sure don't want my kids smoking it. I know it feels great and all but like any mind altering substance it dulls reality.

I am surprised people are ordering seeds...I've heard them POP many a time as a teen. No it won't stem the tide at all.

He is supposed to do most of his time in a Canadian jail so it looks like we're splitting the cost.
 

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Didn't say he was.

I am saying Canadians say that to stir the pot a little. For the most part Americans think Canada is Canada.

Good point there. The US is setting up stiff border controls against Canada because they are aware we are a separate country. There seems to be a strong desire to please in the Cdn psyche and an inability to stand up for one's convictions. Sovereignty has a price and Americans are making us pay it.

Countries operate on their own beat and to have a section of Canada toadying to the US govt is a sign of political immaturity. Countries are allies, not friends.
 

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This thread seems confused by the different issues being lumped together...

- this guy selling seeds to Americans via the mail broke US law: there is nothing wrong with them wanting him held responsible for that. That is for US officials to decide not Canadians, just as if American citizens want to change pot laws that is also for them to decide not anyone else.
- extradition treaties exist, are necessary and it is the right of the US gov't to invoke them, and the court to decide if the request is warranted or not.

People calling this idiot a politcal prisoner are making a mountain out of a molehill. He has the right to protest the laws in this country but if he wants to expand his protest in defiance of the laws of other countries then he should be prepared for the consequences. I don't agree with the marijuana laws in this country and think we need to change them but I believe the change needs to be driven by research and scientific fact (which doesn't exist in large part due to the hysteria of the anti-drug people) not annecdotal evidence. That doesn't mean I believe Emery has the right to violate the laws of the US by exporting pot or seeds as he sees fit, with impunity.
 

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This thread seems confused by the different issues being lumped together...

- this guy selling seeds to Americans via the mail broke US law: there is nothing wrong with them wanting him held responsible for that. That is for US officials to decide not Canadians, just as if American citizens want to change pot laws that is also for them to decide not anyone else.
- extradition treaties exist, are necessary and it is the right of the US gov't to invoke them, and the court to decide if the request is warranted or not.

People calling this idiot a politcal prisoner are making a mountain out of a molehill. He has the right to protest the laws in this country but if he wants to expand his protest in defiance of the laws of other countries then he should be prepared for the consequences. I don't agree with the marijuana laws in this country and think we need to change them but I believe the change needs to be driven by research and scientific fact (which doesn't exist in large part due to the hysteria of the anti-drug people) not annecdotal evidence. That doesn't mean I believe Emery has the right to violate the laws of the US by exporting pot or seeds as he sees fit, with impunity.

Maybe its just me, but I have trouble seeing how a Cdn can be extradited to the US if the the Cdn in question has never been to the US. Which I think Emery has not. In my mind you have to be in a country to break its laws, otherwise it is extraterritoriality over another country's jurisdiction.

Isn't extradition to be used when the person in question is in a country, breaks its laws and skips to another country to avoid arrest? I don't see other examples of this happening. Correct me if I am wrong out there. So to me, this is a political issue, not a criminal issue because Cdn justice sees no serious crime here.
 

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Maybe its just me, but I have trouble seeing how a Cdn can be extradited to the US if the the Cdn in question has never been to the US. Which I think Emery has not. In my mind you have to be in a country to break its laws, otherwise it is extraterritoriality over another country's jurisdiction.

Pablo Escobar comes to mind. Now that guy made this Emery guy look like a Sunday school teacher.

I am sure he has been to the US. Whether pr not he was here committing crimes is debatable. Something tells me he blazed... he's got to pay for that! ;-)

What is in your mind and what is in the US law or extradition treaty may be completely different.

Isn't extradition to be used when the person in question is in a country, breaks its laws and skips to another country to avoid arrest? I don't see other examples of this happening. Correct me if I am wrong out there. So to me, this is a political issue, not a criminal issue because Cdn justice sees no serious crime here.

I bet that is one reason but if you are in another country committing crimes against another country I am sure that country wants to get a hold of you whether you are here or not.

If Canadian justice sees no crime here then they would not agree to extradition and it looks like they have.

In the case of our military deserters a lot of Canadian justices are refusing to send these folks back to the US. They clearly broke US Laws but Canadian Justice sees things different in some of their cases.
 

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Let's see! Ten times more people and, what? 100 times the military? US demands Emery. Canada buckles. Justice has nothing to do with it. Intimidation is more like it. US gets its way no matter what... or else!

Smack, you are a prime example why patriotism is a bad thing - blind allegiance to a country governed by criminals. (Lets hear your big Yawn.)
 

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Let's see! Ten times more people and, what? 100 times the military? US demands Emery. Canada buckles. Justice has nothing to do with it. Intimidation is more like it. US gets its way no matter what... or else!

Smack, you are a prime example why patriotism is a bad thing - blind allegiance to a country governed by criminals. (Lets hear your big Yawn.)

I had to laugh first... but here goes...

YAAAAAAWN

Big enough for you?

So if we didn't get Emery we would invade Canada? Give me a break. Canada has been allowing a whole bunch of U.S Military Deserters and they haven't buckled nor have we invaded.

What does Patriotism have to do with the US wanting to get a criminal? Who says patriotism is a bad thing?

Blind allegience? Hardly.

I'm surprised you are calling Obama and his lackies criminals. Aren't you one of his love bunnies?
 

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Colorful but the guy over extended his reach and got caught. It's all fun and games until you get caught.

Yeah when he was arrested they mentioned that the charges have a sentence that could turn into life in prison. For seeds.

The war on drugs is about enforcing the law. Change the law...and the war ends.

No not at all. The war on drugs is about bureaucracy keeping itself alive. It's about making a political career out of getting tough on crime, but instead of that, cherry picking the easy stuff, costing tax payers billions and making a mandate where none exists.

Opposition to prohibition got the law changed...the same can work now. The people in charge are mostly Baby Bombers and it is that generation that brought pot into the mainstream. Maybe someday they can change it.

How long do we sit and watch people killed over it before we decide to talk about it? Not to mention that $600 per second is spent on the War On Drugs.
You dig that value?

I know a lot of people that smoked pot and are brilliant. I also know a lot of people that pot was a step to their demise. I forgot what they call it but it was the search for a better high. A gateway drug?

People are of various degrees of intelligence. It doesn't have anything to do with Pot. If someone wants to orchestrate their demise, they will find a way to do it with whatever means they can. I would point out though, that Pot has never killed a single person in recorded history. Also, by far the majority of people who have smoked Pot don't go on to use hard drugs. The Gateway myth is just that.

I sure don't want my kids smoking it. I know it feels great and all but like any mind altering substance it dulls reality.

It doesn't dull reality at all. If anything it intensifies it to a small extent. It is demotivational in some pursuits though, fighting, making more money, war it seems. In testing these are among the things that the subjects were not very interested in. Talking is something that in enhanced though along with thinking things over, relaxing and of course laughing.

I am surprised people are ordering seeds...I've heard them POP many a time as a teen. No it won't stem the tide at all.

Medical Pot has to come from somewhere. :lol: One plant is not like the next. There are now "strains" of plants just as there are different kinds of beer, wine or spirits. New one's are being developed all the time. And so it is that growers have a much larger selection to pin point the exact hybrid to match their particular needs.

If a law doesn't do what it is intended, and it actually causes more harm than the substance the law in intended to ban, what use is the law?

He is supposed to do most of his time in a Canadian jail so it looks like we're splitting the cost.

We can't afford to house the people we have in jail now. Don't forget we have a slightly different system than your own. He'll be sent home with a ankle bracelet in less time than they hold him when he surrenders. I suppose they will tell him that he shouldn't sell pot seeds to Americans, but that slack was already scooped up when they raided his store front in B.C.

I suspect that this probably may keep him in the US a little longer or once some bureaucrat has to trim some budget somewhere, he'll be on a bus back to Canada. But hey it's your money right?

But what I really want to know is if it bothers you that some government agents are used to silence political views contrary to those in power at the time?
 

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So which is it folks... was he set up in the US? Or did he set himself up on purpose to protest bad laws?

My impression was that he set himself up to protest through the legal process, and he's getting exactly what he was after. He broke the laws, knowing he was breaking the laws, and is having to run through the legal system that he knew he was attacking.

Plain and simple.

And no Unf, no fear here, simply pointing out that mailing in illegal materials isn't something a government needs to overlook simply because you're standing outside their borders.
 

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Didn't say he was.

I am saying Canadians say that to stir the pot a little.

I can't speak for all Canadians but I say it because I have read it from US American strategists.

For the most part Americans think Canada is Canada.

I don't think so. Often those that can even find it on a map demonstrate a clear disregard for our sovereignty in how they talk. For example suggesting that a politician in Canada should be extradited to the US because he has broken a US law. Could you imagine such a thing happening in the US? Say Bush being extradited to the Hague for war crimes? It wouldn't happen yet Canadians are expected to swallow this swill.
 

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I think the thousands of illegal gun dealers in the US who smuggle firearms into Canada pose a greater risk to Canada then Marc posing a risk by selling seeds south of the boarder to the Americans. It is time some these red necks south of the boarder for them to realize that when we look at the gun problem from the US into Canada, the seeds make them look sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo stupid prosecuting a peaceful man like Marc.

This is about Marc making money while in Canada with US consumers and not paying tax in the US.
 

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Maybe we'll be able to prosecute the manufacturers of those guns since they are illegal.

We'll bring them to Canada and throw them in jail.
 

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Pablo Escobar comes to mind. Now that guy made this Emery guy look like a Sunday school teacher.

I am sure he has been to the US. Whether pr not he was here committing crimes is debatable. Something tells me he blazed... he's got to pay for that! ;-)

What is in your mind and what is in the US law or extradition treaty may be completely different.

I bet that is one reason but if you are in another country committing crimes against another country I am sure that country wants to get a hold of you whether you are here or not.

If Canadian justice sees no crime here then they would not agree to extradition and it looks like they have.

In the case of our military deserters a lot of Canadian justices are refusing to send these folks back to the US. They clearly broke US Laws but Canadian Justice sees things different in some of their cases.

So, we need an example here. Let's say Joethebomber is mailing letter bombs to Sunnistan. Arrest him and and send him across the line I say. This is illegal in Canada too, no need for him to step into another country.

However, Emery has a legal business in Canada, he can send seeds anywhere in the world as long as a customer pays. The federal govt is accepting his taxes from the profits of his business. So one arm of the govt cannot make his business legal then another arm make it illegal. The extradition process here is being abused and Canada should not stand for it.

Escobar has no legal business up and running. Bad example. I want him in ail forever.

So, personally, I cannot see how any judge can send him to the US, extradition treaty or no. The problem is the colony of Canada, headed by the flunking flunky Harper.
 

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I think we should bring gun manufacturers to Canada and throw them in jail. People that work in the factories even. It's all illegal here.
 

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I had to laugh first... but here goes...

YAAAAAAWN

Big enough for you?

So if we didn't get Emery we would invade Canada? Give me a break. Canada has been allowing a whole bunch of U.S Military Deserters and they haven't buckled nor have we invaded.

What does Patriotism have to do with the US wanting to get a criminal? Who says patriotism is a bad thing?

Blind allegience? Hardly.

I'm surprised you are calling Obama and his lackies criminals. Aren't you one of his love bunnies?

The money that backed Obama is the same that backed Dubbya. Governments don't run countries in a corporate dictatorship. Those are the real criminals, the war for profit scum.
 

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So which is it folks... was he set up in the US? Or did he set himself up on purpose to protest bad laws?

My impression was that he set himself up to protest through the legal process, and he's getting exactly what he was after. He broke the laws, knowing he was breaking the laws, and is having to run through the legal system that he knew he was attacking.

Plain and simple.

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That's my impression, too. It's a political issue and he's trying to use it against itself.
 

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So which is it folks... was he set up in the US? Or did he set himself up on purpose to protest bad laws?

I think it's safe to say when two DEA agents arrive at your store, buy seeds and then return, call you on the phone, buy seeds over the Internet and send you a stamped self addressed envelope for the US, it's more set up than protest.

My impression was that he set himself up to protest through the legal process, and he's getting exactly what he was after. He broke the laws, knowing he was breaking the laws, and is having to run through the legal system that he knew he was attacking.

Did he set his friends up to protest as well? If you remember, they were arrested and face charges in the US as well. Simply by association.

Plain and simple.

Nothing plain or simple about it. The guy has been made an example of not because he got cocky and sold seeds in the US, but because he has shown how stupid the war on drugs are, how self serving those who make a living from it are and how shallow politicians are for seeing bad law, and using it to build a career on to the detriment of millions of people who do nothing more than smoke a plant for their own enjoyment.

And no Unf, no fear here, simply pointing out that mailing in illegal materials isn't something a government needs to overlook simply because you're standing outside their borders.

Horse**** Kerrie. Terrorism is used as a fear mongering weapon to push aside rights against arbitrary and illegal searches. And in this case simply to quell a voice that exposes some people for what they are.