Can Ignatieff distance himself from his past?

[Colpy]

Why aren't conservatives mad at harper for running the country as if he were the leader of the ndp? i mean, his actions are about as far from conservative as you can get.

I AM pissed at Harper for running the country like the NDP.....and, if you've read my posts, for NOT going nose-to-nose with the seditious "coalition"......

But here's the point: Harper did what he did (mistakenly) at the point of a gun. He chickened out, and let the Libs/NDP form policy.........

In addition, what do the Libs demand on the same day a $50 Billion deficit is announced????

EI for a year for anyone that works a complete afternoon.

Uh huh.

 

[Cannuck]

my apologies, if i had realized you habitually regurgitate the points others have made i would have quoted you to help jog your memory...

also, your laziness doesn't make me a disciple of anyone. that's your issue.

A little slow are we??? Let's say I give you another chance n'kay. If you are going to comment on something specific that a poster has said, please quote it so that everyone will know what you are talking about. If this is just a generalized attack because I'm not an Iggy idolizer, that's fine as well. It's kind of what I expect from Liberal Party supporters.

 

[Cannuck]

Why aren't conservatives mad at harper for running the country as if he were the leader of the ndp? i mean, his actions are about as far from conservative as you can get.

Many conservatives are, near as I can tell. I don't know about Conservatives. Mind you, that is a topic for another thread. This thread is about Iggy's questionable past. I do understand your desire to turn attention away from your man. If I was an Iggy supporter, that is what I would do as well. It's a damn site easier than defending it.

 

[#juan]

I AM pissed at Harper for running the country like the NDP.....and, if you've read my posts, for NOT going nose-to-nose with the seditious "coalition".
But here's the point: Harper did what he did (mistakenly) at the point of a gun. He chickened out, and let the Libs/NDP form policy.........
"Seditious coalition"....Harper was wrong and he backed down to save his little minority government.

In addition, what do the Libs demand on the same day a $50 Billion deficit is announced????
Has a fifty billion deficit been announced? Who knows what the deficit is? Not Flaherty.

EI for a year for anyone that works a complete afternoon.

Rather silly exaggeration. Thing is, that’s not how the system would work. The amount of time someone can spend on EI depends on two things: where they live and the amount of hours they’ve logged at work. For example, a part-time worker who’s logged 1,000 hours in Ottawa, where the unemployment rate is a relatively low 5.6 per cent, would qualify for 23 weeks of EI. That same worker, were they in rural Newfoundland, where unemployment tops the 20 per cent mark, would be eligible for 45 weeks of payments. Currently, there’s no way qualify for a full 50-weeks’ worth of cheques by having worked only the bare minimum number of hours. The longest period of time for which a person can receive benefits after working the minimum number of hours is 37 weeks—and even then, they would have to live in an area with an unemployment rate over 16 per cent. Someone who worked the minimum number of hours in a place like Ottawa would get a comparably meager 19 weeks’ worth of benefits.

 

[captain morgan]

Rather silly exaggeration. Thing is, that’s not how the system would work. The amount of time someone can spend on EI depends on two things: where they live and the amount of hours they’ve logged at work.

You're dead right juan. Colpy was exaggerating when he stated that one need only work a day and then collect for a year... The hardship reality that Iggy and the rest of the mom-makes-me-wear-a-hockey-helmet-to-eat-porridge-club Liberal Party are expecting someone to work a whole 45 days of full-time hours before they can receive maximum benefits.


How can Iggy be such a heartless bastard? Sure, he's admitted that he's the most pompous (or was it arrogant or egotistical - I can't recall), but expect 1.5 months of work?

 

[#juan]

You're dead right juan. Colpy was exaggerating when he stated that one need only work a day and then collect for a year... The hardship reality that Iggy and the rest of the mom-makes-me-wear-a-hockey-helmet-to-eat-porridge-club Liberal Party are expecting someone to work a whole 45 days of full-time hours before they can receive maximum benefits.


How can Iggy be such a heartless bastard? Sure, he's admitted that he's the most pompous (or was it arrogant or egotistical - I can't recall), but expect 1.5 months of work?

Again captain morgan, you really need to read up on what you are blithering about.

 

[captain morgan]

You posted a very comprehensive understanding relative to how EI currently operates juan....

The problem is we are discussing Iggy's proposed changes...

Get it now?

 

[johnnyhangover]

C'mon... There is not one single gvt in the western hemisphere that isn't deficit spending at this point....

Sorry, I was referring to Harper spending like my wife at a shoe sale ever since he won his first minority.

 

[L Gilbert]

As far as I know, the projected deficit was $50B or more and has been announced. But then I doubt any gov't wouldn't have a deficit of some sort. So, in that light, I think it's inane that someone would blame the Cons for having one. Um, just as inane as blaming Harpy for everything that's happened in the world. People did that silly thing with Bush, too, but Bush was only a puppet. It's sorta like shooting the messenger only different.
So Iggy would also have a deficit, as would Laymton and anyone else who took over the PMO. Don't want a deficit, bring back Martin. But prepare to sacrifice students and the elderly for not having one.

 

[Cannuck]

But prepare to sacrifice students and the elderly for not having one.

I'm game.

 

[captain morgan]

What he says is bang-on... It's nice to know that not everyone in the nation expects a free lunch at every turn.

 

[Cannuck]

What he says is bang-on...

Who's "he"?

 

[pegger]

As far as I know, the projected deficit was $50B or more and has been announced. But then I doubt any gov't wouldn't have a deficit of some sort. So, in that light, I think it's inane that someone would blame the Cons for having one. Um, just as inane as blaming Harpy for everything that's happened in the world. People did that silly thing with Bush, too, but Bush was only a puppet. It's sorta like shooting the messenger only different.
So Iggy would also have a deficit, as would Laymton and anyone else who took over the PMO. Don't want a deficit, bring back Martin. But prepare to sacrifice students and the elderly for not having one.

I don 't blame Flaherty or Harper for running a deficit. I blame them for having no clue. 100 M surplus in November, to $34 Billion deficit, to $50 B or more (?) today. The "or more" part really scares me, because they have no clue. Harper ran as a "steady hand on the tiller." How can you be steady, if you have no frickin' clue as to where you are going?

 

[L Gilbert]

Nope, but then I don't think anyone else would be any better except for Martin. And he'd cost people in other ways (perhaps worse ways) than just having a deficit. He's a privileged SOB without a heart.

 

[L Gilbert]

The thing that really pisses me off about Hatpy is that he caters to banks and failing big businesses. Petroleum and its offshoots like autos are dying, and what does the moron do? He feeds them and cuts science and R&D. Freakin myopic idiot.

 

[Trex]

The thing that really pisses me off about Hatpy is that he caters to banks and failing big businesses. Petroleum and its offshoots like autos are dying, and what does the moron do? He feeds them and cuts science and R&D. Freakin myopic idiot.

Well that's all true LG.
And I like a lot of other folks have a shwack of complaints about Harper.

But It doesn't answer the question about Iggy distancing himself from his past.
And I feel its going to be impossible for Iggy to do so.
Its not really just Iggy's past.
Its his entire adult life.
And the guy down deep really doesn't seem to even like Canada.
Iggy went on record as saying he would give Canada 6 years.
6 years and then back home to the States.
Unless we elect him Supreme Leader.

I think Harper has made some hideous mistakes and politically may well be toast.

But I do not think I can vote for a guy who has been out of the country his entire adult life and then says that the most time he can spare Canada is 6 years.
Unless of course we all agree to coronate him our Leader.

I just have a hard time buying in to Iggy's attitudes and past as it applies to Canada and Canadians.

Trex

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Who cares if Ignatieff hasn't spent his whole life here, it's not like Canada was on the other side of the moon from where he was.

As for Iraq, many people were fooled by the Bush/Cheney song and dance routine into supporting the Iraq War including most of Congress at the time.

Ignatieff presents a fresh direction this country could possibly take, the conservatives don't seem to have much of a grasp of what's going on. Our deficit has blossomed from nothing to $50 billion or more in less than a year and they're still playing silly buggers with meaningless attack ads on opposition leaders instead of putting all that energy into actually running the country. You don't need to run down the opposition if you're doing a good job, the conservative record should be what they stand on, not walking on someone elses reputation. To me that's makes Harper more American than Ignatieff.

Maybe this country needs a leader who has broader horizons than Harper.

 

[Cannuck]

Maybe this country needs a leader who has broader horizons than Harper.

You are doing what the Conservatives are doing. If you think Iggy is a good man than explain why. Running down Harper doesn't make Iggy look impressive, just like the Conservatives attacking Iggy doesn't hide Harper's mistakes.

Far from presenting a fresh direction, Iggy seems like more of the same to me. Nothing I have seen or heard from him has shown me that he cares one iota for Canada. Wanting to believe it doesn't make it so.

Politics used to be about service to the community. It is no longer.

 

[CDNBear]

Politics used to be about service to the community. It is no longer.

Bingo!!!

 

[#juan]

We talk about Ignatieff's past like it was something shameful. For a man to live outside Canada for 27 years, he must be some kind of charlatan.
Now, if I was clever enough to get my doctorate from Harvard and good enough to teach at Oxford and Cambridge, and to be a professor emeritus at Harvard, and to write 17 books, several of them award winners, I wonder if I would have stayed in Canada. I don't think so.