Ignatieff Leader & the Liberal Party

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For starters you don't cut off money coming in when you know things are about to get bad. Even if you think it will win you an election. You do what's good for the country not what good for the party. Again like triggering a near over throw of the government in non confidence by playing partisan politics and closing down the government for six weeks and do nothing as the economy plummets around you.


Cut-off what money? If this is a reference to election funding, the liberals are busted, they were out of money long before Harper was going to reform election funding... That said, ask yourself the question; Why don't they have any cash?.. There is a reason.



The point is that the conservatives weren't handed a problem they were handed a smooth running economy and a budget that was in surplus and paying down the debt. They ran that into the ground as fast as they possibly could. Simply because they don't have the first clue as to the nations finances. Flaherty did the same thing in Ontario. Hind sight may be twenty twenty but Flaherty is blind. And this is the Conservatives point man.


The economy being robust was in spite of the liberals and tax-it-if-it moves philosophy... Don't be so arrogant as to presume that the liberals were responsible for global prosperity.

By the by, if the Libs were sooo effective, how come the debt was never really paid down (other than token amounts here and there).



What is there plan to get things turned around?
Trying to get a Senate reform bill through that's what. Why not just prorogue parlament again?


...Through a liberal senate?... Are you on glue?.. And you speak of partisan politics. Sheesshh.... BTW - We'd all appreciate if you offered up the answer top all the global economies.



Sorry, how many evelopes of cash did Chretien fail to declare to Revenue Canada?
Anyone remember how the Conservatives were going to clean up the coruption in Ottawa? Shhhhhhhh

Chretein and envelopes, eh?.. let's see... How many envelopes do you need for 200 million dollars?





No matter how many people show you that he's a halfwit that is far over his head, you're not going to change your opinion of him.

Dion was a real genius in your eyes, wasn't he?



Yeah don't trust a teacher they're bad people and liars. Trust a lawyer because they are good people and deep down the most trust worthy self sacrificing folk in the land.

Trudeau collapsed the Canadian economy 2 years before the rest of teh globe, he essentially created the sovereignty crisis in Quebec and divided the country to date.

Ya, he's a bad person and just like Iggy, he is/was a teacher.



Did you take crazy pills today or something?


Apparently you've taken your insane pills today. Gonna wash 'em down with teh purple Koolaid, hold hands and sing Kumbaya 'til the spaceship arrives?

How about dropping the negative attack ads and worrying about Conservative Party pensions and start focusing on the country and the problems everyone is facing with the economy? I know it's not really in the Conservative nature but how about thinking of others just for a little while?


How about Iggy not shoot his mouth off at every tirn and offer-up so much ammunition?


But I do know that in Canada whether you like it or not we are free to be critical of both country and government.

Iggy has been very critical of Canada and said it in very clear terms to the media



Oh no, the best course of action is to alienate the Europeans by telling them to bugger off with their ban on seal fur. That's smart. :roll:

The only thing he can do at this point is get out of the way fast so that those who can fix the problems can get started on it.


..... Better to piss-off the Americans like Chretein did right?... There only our largest trading partner in case you didn't get the memo.
 

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quoting captain morgan:
By the by, if the Libs were sooo effective, how come the debt was never really paid down (other than token amounts here and there).

In just three years the Chrétien government succeeded in balancing the budget. What's more, by 2003 the government could boast that it had paid down more than 10 per cent of Canada's market debt. And over a six year period - from 1997 to 2003 - Canada's debt-to-GDP ratio fell from 71 per cent to 49 per cent.

Captain morgan you have no idea what you're talking about. Do some reading....Better yet, do some reading and understanding.
 

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That's not hard to do when the economy is roaring, there is massive investment in multiple industrial sectors, little or no unemployment (that translates into massive income tax dollars) and globalization has created record demand for your (Canada's) resources... The GDP will be directly impacted by the global boom - it had absolutely nothing to do with the liberals (or conservatives or ndp).

Again, if you somehow believe that the aforementioned events are strictly due to benevolence of Saint Jean, then I recommend the Koolaid whilst you wait for the spaceship to arrive.

Now if you want to talk about retarded policy, we can review the liberal-approved Green Shift and Iggy's acceptance of a carbon tax.
 

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Trudeau got the debt up to around a hundred and fifty billion. Mulroney piled up another four hundred and fifty billion. For all his faults, Chretien bit the bullet and eliminated the deficit and started paying down the debt. Harper and Flaherty didn't have the brains to see that there was a world wide down turn coming and they cut the GST. They could have had a very nice buffer against the coming recession but they threw it away. The attack adds should show just what jackasses they really are.
Turdeau's contribution was $200B. It wasn't so much ChRETIeN as aPAULing Martin that started the debt & deficit management. His problem was that he screwed students and the elderly to do that. Harpy and Flahtulence didn't see the downturn coming? You're right, and neither did most of the "experts" in economics.
Yep, Harpy and crew are jackasses. But then so were all their predecessors.
 

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Forgot to mention... The attack-ads were spawned by teh abject stupidity and teh big mouth of Iggy himself. Don't blame the cons for Ignatieff's dumb-ass decisions.

Heh heh yeah sure buddy. It's the same with neocons every where. They attack you out of the blue and then blame you for making them attacking you. I know it's hard for you to accept but conservatives are assholes.
 

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... Oh well... Such is politics.

Out of curiosity, what explanation do you employ to explain teh friendly and constructive commentary that the libs used re: Harper being from the West or his religious beliefs... If memory serves, the libs weren't above attack ads themselves.

So which is it to be? Attack ads only when they benefit a fringe party that you happen to support, or is it open season for anyone.

Really man, the liberal-fringe are the masters of spin and attacking and they are the first into the mud whenever the chance pops-up. the difference in recent history is that the liberals have forwarded leaders that are clowns who bury themselves with their own words.
 

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Turdeau's contribution was $200B. It wasn't so much ChRETIeN as aPAULing Martin that started the debt & deficit management. His problem was that he screwed students and the elderly to do that. Harpy and Flahtulence didn't see the downturn coming? You're right, and neither did most of the "experts" in economics.
Yep, Harpy and crew are jackasses. But then so were all their predecessors.


Gotta agree with you on the above analysis. They're all idiots... It's a simple matter of supporting the smartest idiot of the group.
 

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Cut-off what money? If this is a reference to election funding, the liberals are busted, they were out of money long before Harper was going to reform election funding... That said, ask yourself the question; Why don't they have any cash?.. There is a reason.

They just finished an election. Not just Liberals but all parties. It was nothing more than spite for the Mulroney Conservatives managing to upset the voters to the point of reducing that party down to two sitting members before it dissolved.

The economy being robust was in spite of the liberals and tax-it-if-it moves philosophy... Don't be so arrogant as to presume that the liberals were responsible for global prosperity.

Yet so many places in the world were absolutely impoverished. Doesn't that seem strange to you since you say that it doesn't much matter what a government does to their economy?

By the by, if the Libs were sooo effective, how come the debt was never really paid down (other than token amounts here and there).

Reduced by nearly 100 billion dollars.

...Through a liberal senate?... Are you on glue?.. And you speak of partisan politics. Sheesshh.... BTW - We'd all appreciate if you offered up the answer top all the global economies.

Yeah it's a stupid move especially when there are some serious problems that need to be addressed. Yet here we are with a government that doesn't know what to do so they flail about doing nothing. I see you're inline with your nothing neocon brethren in that you have to ask everyone for an answer to the problem.
The government leads fool, they don't follow. Which is why this group of know nothing idiots must be removed from power so that the party that has a track record of getting Canadian economics working for Canadians, can get on with job #1.

Chretein and envelopes, eh?.. let's see... How many envelopes do you need for 200 million dollars?

He was investigated and no charges. Muroney is screwed. No only is he guilty as sin but he should pay the court costs as well.

Dion was a real genius in your eyes, wasn't he?

Nope, just another victim of Tory attack ads. But you shouldn't worry about Dion he's gone. Your idol Flaherty is here right now, stumbling around with out a clue costing each and every Canadian thousands of dollars because he doesn't know what he's doing. And you, "genius" are worried about Dion.

Trudeau collapsed the Canadian economy 2 years before the rest of Te globe, he essentially created the sovereignty crisis in Quebec and divided the country to date.

He's been dead for yonks now. Do you neocons even get the present? Don't worry about everyone else. Worry about the idiots you elected that are busy ruining the country. They can't even get a majority with which to govern under. It's time to change these clowns out for a real government.

Ya, he's a bad person and just like Iggy, he is/was a teacher.

Who are you talking about? Neither Harper nor Flaherty were teachers. Harper is a career politician and Flaherty was a lawyer. Do you even know who these people are?:roll:

Apparently you've taken your insane pills today. Gonna wash 'em down with Te purple Koolaid, hold hands and sing Kumbaya 'til the spaceship arrives?

Aha so you have read Harper's super secret fix the economy plan real good!

How about Iggy not shoot his mouth off at every turn and offer-up so much ammunition?

How about Harper quitting when the Conservatives get the boot in the up coming election?

Iggy has been very critical of Canada and said it in very clear terms to the media

Opinions = bad. Check!

..... Better to piss-off the Americans like Chretein did right?... There only our largest trading partner in case you didn't get the memo.

Yeah we should have sucked a little Bush and tossed what few military assets we had into the meat grinder that is Iraq for all the super shiney benefits that America has gotten out of it. Yep just look around the globe to see the screaming hordes of Bush worshipers begging him to stop in for a hand shake and hearty hello where ever he goes. Or are you maybe reading those signs wrong? :lol:
 

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They just finished an election. Not just Liberals but all parties. It was nothing more than spite for the Mulroney Conservatives managing to upset the voters to the point of reducing that party down to two sitting members before it dissolved.

The Torys, Greens and NDP just finished one too... Why is it that only the liberal party of Canada was bankrupt?

I'll give you a wee hint: It's because no one in the general public is donating to the liberals.



Yet so many places in the world were absolutely impoverished. Doesn't that seem strange to you since you say that it doesn't much matter what a government does to their economy?


.... And still are... And no, it isn't strange. You're problem is that you want to compare undeveloped economies to developed ones and draw parallels. It doesn't work that way.



Reduced by nearly 100 billion dollars.

Paying the interest is an obligation champ... It doesn't count as principle repayment.



Yeah it's a stupid move especially when there are some serious problems that need to be addressed. Yet here we are with a government that doesn't know what to do so they flail about doing nothing. I see you're inline with your nothing neocon brethren in that you have to ask everyone for an answer to the problem.
The government leads fool, they don't follow. Which is why this group of know nothing idiots must be removed from power so that the party that has a track record of getting Canadian economics working for Canadians, can get on with job #1.


.. So, what should be done? You appear to have all the answers, perhaps you'll share them here... Apparently, all leadership of all nations are my neocon brothers as they are deficit spending. You'll do the entire globe a big favour by giving-up the answer. hell, maybe you'll get some kind of commendation.

Curiously, that party with a track record of getting the economy back-on-track is who exactly?... Surely you're not requesting that Ralph Klein run the country seeing how he is the only Canadian leader that made the right decisions during a recession to spur AB's economy?



He was investigated and no charges. Muroney is screwed. No only is he guilty as sin but he should pay the court costs as well.


It's too soon to really see what will become of dear Jean. There are still some trials to be had in which his buddies may roll-over on him and like Mulroney, they can revisit the crime decades later.

As for Mulroney, if he's guilty, then so be it. I have no problem with that.



Nope, just another victim of Tory attack ads. But you shouldn't worry about Dion he's gone. Your idol Flaherty is here right now, stumbling around with out a clue costing each and every Canadian thousands of dollars because he doesn't know what he's doing. And you, "genius" are worried about Dion.


Victim of Tory attack ads?.. Please, when Dion wasn't busy making low-budget B movies that he hoped would pass for national press releases on his assistant's blackberry, he was busy trying to dismantle and undercut the entire national economy with his green shift... And you worry about Flaherty and the money he is spending. Dion's hobby-horse would have increased the cost of living in each and every jurisdiction on everything that directly or indirectly used oil/gas, increased taxes while simultaneously crippling multiple industries that employ the majority of Canadians... All in one fell swoop.

Quite an achievement.



He's been dead for yonks now. Do you neocons even get the present? Don't worry about everyone else. Worry about the idiots you elected that are busy ruining the country. They can't even get a majority with which to govern under. It's time to change these clowns out for a real government.

Dead for yonks? Is that years in liberal-speak?

Sure, he's been low-grade maggot food for that time (even before his death), but we will have his wonderful legacy of his massive debt and national discord to remember the old coot by for decades to come.



Who are you talking about? Neither Harper nor Flaherty were teachers. Harper is a career politician and Flaherty was a lawyer. Do you even know who these people are?:roll:


I'm talking about Iggy and Trudeau, or did you forget your comment that teachers=bad?




How about Harper quitting when the Conservatives get the boot in the up coming election?

Expect Iggy to be dismissed like Dion...



Opinions = bad. Check!


They are when you go on a national US television show and slag the nation that you later want to lead.



Yeah we should have sucked a little Bush and tossed what few military assets we had into the meat grinder that is Iraq for all the super shiney benefits that America has gotten out of it. Yep just look around the globe to see the screaming hordes of Bush worshipers begging him to stop in for a hand shake and hearty hello where ever he goes. Or are you maybe reading those signs wrong? :lol:


Apparently the good folks of Toronto wanted him to come speak... hell, they were willing to pay lots of money... I think that you'll see him on many highly paid speaking engagements in all of the nations that hate him ever so much.
 

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Its tough to tell what the Count stands for.
So far his entire platform consists of bitching and whining about the
Prime Minister and his government
And then, just like a trained seal, voting in support of the very government he is complaining about.
Over and over, day in and day out.

I think we all can agree that eventually the Liberals will actually vote once against Harper and his policies and we will be in an election.

So what will Iggy's platform be?
What does Iggy in his heart of hearts believe in?
What will be his new policies and where will he take the country?

I don't think the man has any idea.
I think he is a very clever intellectual who is enough of an arrogant elitist that he actually believes he should lead Canada simply because of who he is.
Hasn't lived in Canada for his entire adult life, doesn't really care much for Canada.
It's in the minor leagues.
Too pedestrian.
Too provincial.
Too rural.
And too damn cold.
Iggy's a snob and Canada is a picturesque little backwater in his mind.

But if he can rule it, my goodness, what a boost for an already overinflated ego that will be.
Its not just King for a day, hell it could be a decent ride.
Just imagine the future invite lists that a stint as PM will get him on?

So what will his policies actually be when he finally goes on the stump?
I figure he will poll and focus group a ton.
Hire the best back room spin doctors and gun slingers money can buy.
And run on whatever looks like it will stick.
If he has to turn hard right or hard left, so be it.
But at the end of the day he will win the thing in the GTA and Montreal.
And the Quebec vote will come with a very hefty price tag.
And Iggy will pay up that handful of silver in a second.

And away we go with a Liberal minority government.
That's if, and its a fairly big if, the Conservative smear and hack artists doent have a total showstopper waiting for campaign time.
Like the rumoured "Canada is a failed nation" speech Iggy gave at Harvard in 95.
Does it exist and do the Con's have it or something similar?

On with the show.

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Like the rumoured "Canada is a failed nation" speech Iggy gave at Harvard in 95.
Does it exist and do the Con's have it or something similar?


Key word there is "rumoured".

As opposed to Harper's Alberta Firewall and his "Canada is a third rate Scadinavian socialist state" speech. Those are well documented on public record.

As for ovtes, is it that Iggy doesn't have the guts to vote the government down when the population does not want an election, or is it that Harper doesn't have the guts to put a bill to a vote that isn't a confidence motion, hiding behind the public's lack of desire for an election to cover his bills?

Want to know what Ignatieff's policies are? Stop with the confidence votes and we'll see.
 

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The Torys, Greens and NDP just finished one too... Why is it that only the liberal party of Canada was bankrupt?

It costs money to run in an election. What with all the negative ads on tv to pay for. While it's nice that the Alberta base for the Tories is flush with cash thanks in no small way to the Tories support for the province, Ontario which supplies a pretty sizable chunk of the Liberal money has been the target of Federal hatchet men like Jimmy (know nothing) Flaherty. Of course the other parties are having a difficult time of it as well. Hence the coalition to form a government that Harper ran like hell and hide under the GG's bed from.:lol:

I'll give you a wee hint: It's because no one in the general public is donating to the liberals.

And yet they grow stronger and stronger each day. Oh, looks like there is enough money to fight another election on hand. Not a good sign for Harper is it?

.... And still are... And no, it isn't strange. You're problem is that you want to compare undeveloped economies to developed ones and draw parallels. It doesn't work that way.

Cow pucks! That you want to look anywhere other than at the bungling fools of the Conservative Alliance for reasons that it's not their fault is enough proof that it is. Sorry, the government is responsible for what happens to the economics of a country. You can try to blame it on the Bosa Nova all you want, but no one is going to believe you.

Paying the interest is an obligation champ... It doesn't count as principle repayment.

Heh heh heh, nice try. We aren't talking about interest and principle but Debt and Deficit. Of course interest is part of the debt. Attempting to confuse the monstrous Deficit the Harper and the boys are racking up with the massive amount of the Debt that Chretien paid down after balancing the books and getting rid of the deficit is a joke. Sadly no one is laughing except for me. And I am laughing at you.

.. So, what should be done? You appear to have all the answers, perhaps you'll share them here... Apparently, all leadership of all nations are my neocon brothers as they are deficit spending. You'll do the entire globe a big favour by giving-up the answer. hell, maybe you'll get some kind of commendation.

First things first. Get rid of these know nothing bozos and let the real government of Canada take over. Then we can get people back to work in sustainable jobs. Check south of the border and you can see it's not some conservative halfwit that can see Russia from her window that's running the country nor uncle pervy with the scurvy. It's back to sensible center left policies that will stop waging wars for oil and start the road back to people working again.

Curiously, that party with a track record of getting the economy back-on-track is who exactly?... Surely you're not requesting that Ralph Klein run the country seeing how he is the only Canadian leader that made the right decisions during a recession to spur AB's economy?

Klein also is on the hook for the clean up of the environment when it's all sold and the money is gone. Those Albertans are going to be grumbling pretty good once that happens. Mind you they will look like Saskatchewan once all the people leave with the money runs out. They will come hat in hand to Ottawa looking for transfer payments and let me tell you, Ontario will be there to take up the slack and pay for those few Albertans to have health care, law enforcement policies and RCMP to take care of all those louts that can't make it out of the province.

It's too soon to really see what will become of dear Jean. There are still some trials to be had in which his buddies may roll-over on him and like Mulroney, they can revisit the crime decades later.

I suppose after Gomery getting made a laughing stock, and having the few creeps that did commit fraud caught and sentenced, there will be nothing to bother at least the one ex-prime minister. Something I noticed though is that the brethren that are past prime ministers ends with Harper. He doesn't seem to keen on his old buddy Brian these days does he?

As for Mulroney, if he's guilty, then so be it. I have no problem with that.

Well he's already admitted to not paying his taxes on a good chunk of that cash he got from his arms dealer lobbyist bff no more. So I'll join you in raising a glass to the justice system giving him a well deserved slap and finger wag!

Victim of Tory attack ads?.. Please, when Dion wasn't busy making low-budget B movies that he hoped would pass for national press releases on his assistant's blackberry, he was busy trying to dismantle and undercut the entire national economy with his green shift... And you worry about Flaherty and the money he is spending. Dion's hobby-horse would have increased the cost of living in each and every jurisdiction on everything that directly or indirectly used oil/gas, increased taxes while simultaneously crippling multiple industries that employ the majority of Canadians... All in one fell swoop.

Dion is gone. There is no greenshift now. What there is now is a neocon that doesn't know how much money he is spending, bringing in, or promising in charge of the Canadian economy. That he has taken a stong and balanced economy, again, and turned it into a deficit ridden mess of bad choices and no clue what needs to be done. And when his boss finds out that the foolishness isn't going to be tolerated, rather than buckling down and getting things done, they close Parliament and worked at saving their own jobs while for 6 weeks the rest of Canada fell into the economic abyss.

Is it just a right wing trait to ignore what is going on in the present for what never happened with people out of the loop or something? Seems to me both you and Flaherty don't want to talk about this economy.


Quite an achievement.

You mean the one that didn't actually happen anywhere else than in your head?
Ok if that's what you want.

Dead for yonks? Is that years in liberal-speak?

Yeah it's a colloquialism. Hurrah for you getting out and opening new vistas in language.

Sure, he's been low-grade maggot food for that time (even before his death), but we will have his wonderful legacy of his massive debt and national discord to remember the old coot by for decades to come.

Yeah you know the thing is about that, it's always been a Liberal government that works at reducing the debt and a Conservative one that adds to it. What up with that homie? Mind you there is that new loving relationship with Quebec that Harper has managed. heh heh yes I am kidding.

I'm talking about Iggy and Trudeau, or did you forget your comment that teachers=bad?
You're a bit thick aren't you? You should really go back and read the thread before you make any more embarrassing quotes like that one. But first my fine fellow, please do look up the definition of sarcasm so that you understand the meaning of it. You can do that can't you?

Expect Iggy to be dismissed like Dion...

Oh his time will come eventually as all politicians eventually have to go back to work, but I am confident that before that happens, Harper is going to have just butt kicked, get his papers handed to him in all the loving majesty that is the right wing way and the steps to turn the economy around will be set in place.

But I will miss that good old reform that Harper is trying to bring to his campaign especially as he is the incumbent. And I thought I would never laugh as much again when I saw him in the cowboy hat on back wards.

They are when you go on a national US television show and slag the nation that you later want to lead.

Yeah where are these again?

Apparently the good folks of Toronto wanted him to come speak... hell, they were willing to pay lots of money... I think that you'll see him on many highly paid speaking engagements in all of the nations that hate him ever so much.

They sure wanted to see him and Clinton go at it but they turned pussy in the end. Was that you out there welcoming "Mr.Reagan" to Toronto?
 

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Quoting Captain Morgan Expect Iggy to be dismissed like Dion...

If an election were held today, The Liberal would win but it looks like the voters are not yet ready to give a majority. We should expect a fall election and the demise of Harper soon after.
 

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If an election were held today, The Liberal would win but it looks like the voters are not yet ready to give a majority.
Tories (35%) Take Slim Lead as Liberal (33%) Support Begins to Level Off

Tories (35%) Take Slim Lead as Liberal (33%) Support Begins to Level Off

Seven-Point Grit Drop in Ontario Likely Driven by Improving Economic News, Conservative Attack Ads

May 26, 2009

Toronto, ON — It appears that the surge in support that Michael Ignatieff and the Liberals have received over the past few months, culminating in a final lift around the time of the Liberal Convention, has finally been halted by Stephen Harper and the Conservatives. A new Ipsos Reid poll conducted on behalf of Canwest News Service and Global Television has revealed that the Tories (35%, up 2 points) have taken a slim lead over the Grits (33%, down 3 points).
 

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depends who you read doesn't it.

Liberal

49.3%​
Conservative

32.4%​
NDP

10.5%​
Bloc Quebecois

4.0%​
Green

3.8%​
Total Votes: 35131
 

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If an election were held today, The Liberal would win but it looks like the voters are not yet ready to give a majority. We should expect a fall election and the demise of Harper soon after.
Ugh. A Glib majority is just as scary as a Dipper or Con majority. Perhaps another Trudeau? We could see Canada's natdebt spike to $7,984,857,000,000. Um, that's adding 1112% to what we have now, just like Turdeau did.