Aboriginal Right To Shoot The Cute?

petros

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Got some thanks. There are a number of beavers too. Perhaps we can discuss transforming our dam building friends into some fashionable winter hats? You know, getting back to our Voyageur roots.
I already bought one in Moscow where they have no problems wearing warm rodents, seals, cows, fish and unicorns.
 

L Gilbert

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Last estimate I saw (Vancouver Aquarium estimate, I think) was the in the Aleutians alone there were some 7000 otters. BC had about 3000 Russia had about 15,000 and I forget the rest. They are really neat critters. Perhaps in BC they are threatened, but I don't think they are endangered.

Oh, yeah... about the Queen's Guard; I think they were under some fire in the 90s about the hats, but they tried all sorts of synthetics and nothing worked for long. I don't see any harm in that either as long as the rest of the bear is used besides the fur. They use black bear and I hardly think black bear have a small population. People tend to feed them (garbage cans, dumps, vegetable gardens, fruit trees, etc).
 

karrie

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"Sea otters are very cute. There will potentially be some outcry at any harvest at all. But this is an aboriginal right and the harvests won't harm the population."


The right to decimate a species... Wonderful.

decimate? By culling 1%? I've heard women are hysterical, but wow. While there may still be many reasons to disallow it, but DECIMATE.... lol. I'm sorry, but that's a laughable term in view of a proposal to hunt 1%
 

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decimate? By culling 1%? I've heard women are hysterical, but wow. While there may still be many reasons to disallow it, but DECIMATE.... lol. I'm sorry, but that's a laughable term in view of a proposal to hunt 1%
lol Obviously he didn't research the numbers of sea otters there are. I mentioned about 25,000, and 1% of what BC has is like 30? Definitely decimating. roflmao
 

Niflmir

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No, I am not familiar... I would imagine that there was quite an outcry. I naively believed that the predominate weapon would have traditionally been a device related to spears. I find it extremely interesting that the feds would 'ban' implements (other than guns)related to hunting aquatic targets.

Perhaps I can read-up about that, can you give me an idea of where i can find this info? An idea of what is banned?

I eagerly await your response.

As always, google is your friend. The hakapik and club are banned. Why would you ever use a spear on an animal that lets you walk up to it?
 

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Re-Canada's gov.gen. Eats raw heart right outta seal!....

Canada's gov.gen. Eats raw heart right outta seal!....

GG ..in this case ,given the situation..I agree with your position . It is sad to kill cute cudley little seals, and if it was just about the money .I might have sided different. Backing the native /aboriginal culture is common sense.They help monitor and sustain wildlife populations necessary in the conservation, and preservation, of this great diverse Canadian nation.:)


Simply put .Natives live up there cuz they can.No one else wants to...Who are we to tell them how to live..?.I'm not tellin them,You tell m..!I forgot my snow shoes...But arggh..bluck..Seal heart..?..Maybe A little bit over the the top.. If it was just natives huntin in "the seal hunt" , wouldn't be such an issue...Bit of an overkill....
 
Canada's gov.gen. Eats raw heart right outta seal!....I ain't messin with anyone who eats raw seal heart...raw/viscious but...I salute you General seal heart.(new native name)...I'm on your side on this one...Tastes like sushi.?..

Peace..

B.GreenFish(66) .8O;-)
 

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decimate? By culling 1%? I've heard women are hysterical, but wow. While there may still be many reasons to disallow it, but DECIMATE.... lol. I'm sorry, but that's a laughable term in view of a proposal to hunt 1%


I never knew that you were zoologist Karrie? It's good top know that YOU are an authority re: what is the acceptable # of otters to butcher for the purpose of wearing their head on a belt.

Hell, I could see some kind of justification if needed for survival purposes or even financial benefit, but alas, no such benefit exists.. Just the wanton destruction of an animal for sh*ts and giggles to service an exclusive group for unclear and non-functional purposes.

But why stop at otters? Maybe you'll wade into the argument about what % of elephants we can 'cull' for the ivory and how many parrots we can euthanize to make ceremonial head-dresses.

As long as it's only a few %, then it's OK, right?
 

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They have learned well from their masters who extinct species at an alarming rate.

Really... do you really believe yourself to be Master of the First Nation? Talk about a racist statement.

The idea that First Nation and Native Americans are somehow more in tune with nature and know better than other races is a patronizing statement. If you want to go way back there was a rapid dying off off mammals about the same time that that man showed up on the North American continent particularly the mammoth. Why? Hunted to extinction by the original inhabitants of North America... the people that would one day become First Nation and Native Americans.

Native Americans and First Nation people are human. They can be just as greedy, brutal, wasteful as they can be caring and loving. They are no different than any other human.
 

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lol Obviously he didn't research the numbers of sea otters there are. I mentioned about 25,000, and 1% of what BC has is like 30? Definitely decimating. roflmao


Did ya bother reading the article or are you just illiterate?

There are couple of key mistakes you make... Let me help you out, alright?

The committee estimated sea otters have repopulated 25 to 33 per cent of their historic range in B.C., but cautioned "numbers are small" at less than 3,500 and


.. Didn't you mention 25,000?.. I guess that was a ridiculous over estimation of the numbers.... Oh, that's right, YOU did research, right?.... Hmmm, who am I to believe? You (researcher extraordinaire) or the federal committee on the status of endangered wildlife in Canada... I'll have to get back to you on that.
... It's kinda tough to take any of your comments seriously when you 'accidently' over-estimate the populations by almost 100X
 

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Give the natives credit cards and guns to protect national parks.

Give the natives credit cards to buy guns so they can protect national parks!..eh Eagle smack?

There are many larger issues intertwinded here...Protect the seals and it's Indigenous peoples.That is the best position for Canadians...G.G. Knows where to stand ..I stand beside her in this case, but I ain't eatin no seal meat.Leave that for the polar bears .....But serves it point..

Balance/sustainability...Green/clean tech..
 

captain morgan

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What's you point Greenfish?

For that matter, what green tech have you installed in your home and more importantly, which of the nasty ole fossil fuel tech have you entirely eliminated from your life?
 

GreenFish66

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It's all about balance and susainability Capt.. Balanced energy plan..Where we aren't all slave drones to the abuse of the greedy...My home is everywhere...I use it it all responsibly..and respect the environment/my neighbours and my surroundings ..It's about being conscious of what happens outside that self absorbed little bubble that tends to control so many!...

$Green$ and green can work well together/ensures a positive/prosperous future..

What the alternative Captain?

Abuse it all, 4 a few ,get's us all where?..rich?..So what..$$ don't mean that much to me..Serves no purpose with no future ?
 

GreenFish66

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sorry Eagle smack ..let me clearify..Give the red necks guns to protect the national parks.(refering to Obama's credit card reform bill..republicans added a gun law that allows them to have their guns in national parks.For what ever reason.)Any better?...lol
 

captain morgan

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It's all about balance and susainability Capt.. Balanced energy plan..Where we aren't all slave drones to the abuse of the greedy...My home is everywhere...I use it it all responsibly..and respect the environment/my neighbours and my surroundings ..It's about being conscious of what happens outside that self absorbed little bubble that tends to control so many!...

$Green$ and green can work well together/ensures a positive/prosperous future..

What the alternative Captain?

Abuse it all, 4 a few ,get's us all where?..rich?..So what..$$ don't mean that much to me..Serves no purpose with no future ?


You hit the nail on the head with: "What the alternative?"

What is it indeed?

But I will ask again. What, exactly, have you done?
 

Zzarchov

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..... Sooo, I'm guessing that there is no ban on traditional otter hunting implements then?

And what exactly is untraditional about guns? They are a pretty old technology.

This wierd believe that someone native groups should have to stay stone age. Europeans dumped swords when the they started facing guns in the mid east (trickling down from China)

Natives can run whatever industries they want as they would have advanced in their own ways.

I don't get this idea they should either stay museum relics from the stone age or mimic another culture comes from. They can develop on their own path.