What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?

[JLM]

Pretty much. And short-term thinking is the bane of the country as far as politics is concerned. Politicians only think in terms of, well, terms.

Yep, and I find that exasperating, they make plans to benefit themselves for the next four years in a such an inefficient way that I'll be paying for it for the next 40 years. But they are ALL tarred with the same brush, thieves and liars with their snouts in the trough. (Sure wish there was a way of decimating their obscene pensions)

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So, quit being a hypocrit of monumental (or just MENTAL) proportions and stop pretending that you give a good damn about Global Warming/Climate Change.

Certainly I do, Yukon. It is up to us to leave the earth in livable condition for the coming generations. It is our responsibly not to destroy the planet through reckless behavior, by polluting to our heart’s content.

And these days many people realize the importance of doing something about global warming. It is only the religious nuts (religious right and extreme Catholics) who take the Biblical mandate to conquer, subdue, subjugate the earth as a license to pollute limitlessly.

In this respect, it is interesting to note that when Campbell introduced carbon tax in BC, he got a lot of flack for that. In the recent election, NDP ran on the platform of getting rid of the carbon tax (it sounds hypocritical, but when it comes to getting votes, hypocrisy is one of the milder sins that political parties commit). However, Liberals won another majority; BC citizens were OK with carbon tax.

As I said, these days many people are environmentally responsible, it is only the religious right (and Catholic extremists) who think that polluting to one’s heart’s content is fulfilling God given mandate to subdue the earth.

 

[L Gilbert]

WHOOOOSSSHHHH!!

^ --- The sound of YJ's point whizzing by Joe. lmao

 

[Francis2004]

SirJosephPorter( in response to a post you made to YJ )
It is up to us to leave the earth in livable condition for the coming generations. It is our responsibly not to destroy the planet through reckless behavior, by polluting to our heart’s content.

I agree with that. But my belief has always been on the aspect of why do to the planet what you do not do to your home. That has always earned me a label of "one of those" yet I believe there can be a good balance to build and protect this planet with those extra costs people keep yapping about..

And these days many people realize the importance of doing something about global warming. It is only the religious nuts (religious right and extreme Catholics) who take the Biblical mandate to conquer, subdue, subjugate the earth as a license to pollute limitlessly.

When you say Extreme Catholic can you point to a Roman Catholic ? It seems vague and painted with a wide brush ?

In this respect, it is interesting to note that when Campbell introduced carbon tax in BC, he got a lot of flack for that. In the recent election, NDP ran on the platform of getting rid of the carbon tax (it sounds hypocritical, but when it comes to getting votes, hypocrisy is one of the milder sins that political parties commit). However, Liberals won another majority; BC citizens were OK with carbon tax.

Living in BC and having followed the election I hardly heard about the carbon tax from most people. The economy dominated the election and it was pretty hard to paint out Liberal ( Socred ) government as taxing bunch but easy to do so for the NDP due to their last track record..

BC Check-Up

As I said, these days many people are environmentally responsible, it is only the religious right (and Catholic extremists) who think that polluting to one’s heart’s content is fulfilling God given mandate to subdue the earth.

Again, name the extremist Catholic ? Especially RC Catholic..

 

[SirJosephPorter]

When you say Extreme Catholic can you point to a Roman Catholic ?

Again, name the extremist Catholic ? Especially RC Catholic..

Yukon Jack.

 

[Francis2004]

When you say Extreme Catholic can you point to a Roman Catholic ?

Again, name the extremist Catholic ? Especially RC Catholic..

Yukon Jack.

You have now crossed that personal line you say you never do in personal attacks and name calling. Something I would never have thought you would do.

As a Roman Catholic I take offence to such broad statement of my religious affiliations although i do not attend Church as that is what makes people targets.

This is quite disturbing to me..

 

[Cannuck]

Well YJ, do you believe that polluting to one’s heart’s content is fulfilling God given mandate to subdue the earth?

 

[Cannuck]

This is quite disturbing to me..

You wouldn't be the only one that finds him disturbing. Personally, I find him entertaining. He reminds me of Eric Cartman without the potty mouth.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You have now crossed that personal line you say you never do in personal attacks and name calling. Something I would never have thought you would do.

Calling Yukon Jack an extreme Catholic is crossing the line? I don’t think so. It is not name calling if a person is considered an extremist based upon his views. The term extremist has a specific meaning, which can be backed by evidence, by referring to somebody’s stance on various issues (unlike terms like stupid, idiot etc., which are purely subjective and pure name calling). And much as you may not agree (or may not want to believe); there is an extreme element to Catholicism.

Check out the Catholic league in USA. It is an extreme, far right organization. It has been active in trashing abortion, spreading hatred against gays etc. It was involved in organizing protests over Obama’s speech at Notre Dame. At a personal level, there are politicians like Alan Keyes or Pat Buchanan, which are considered extreme by US standards.

Alan Keyes has filed a lawsuit in California Courts demanding that Obama be disqualified and removed from the post of President. He also got himself arrested at Notre Dame. While most Notre Dame Students were OK with Obama’s visit, outside agitators invaded the campus (illegally) and caused trouble.

So calling somebody an extremist based upon his record is not an insult, not in my opinion anyway.


While they may disagree on theological issues, there is no practice difference between religious right (which tends to be Protestant) and Catholic extremists like Alan Keyes or Donohue (I think he is the President of Catholic league).

There are extremist elements in every religion, without exceptions (there are even Buddhist extremists, it wouldn’t even surprise me if one or two Atheists have extreme views).

To say that you are offended because I said that some Catholics are extremists doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[YukonJack]

The question was posed to SirJosrephPorter:

"When you say Extreme Catholic can you point to a Roman Catholic ?

Again, name the extremist Catholic ? Especially RC Catholic.."

To which he replied:

"Yukon Jack."

For an abortion loving, infanticide promoter it takes a lot of nerve to call anyone "extremist".

He knows absolutely bugger all about my life-style. Yet, with broad generalization he claims to know that I - as ALL Cathtolics, accoording to him - will do my utmost to destroy the Earth.

I don't know his life-style, so I won't make an idiot out of myself by similar, mindless generalization.

But I am willing to bet that:

1. My carbon footprint is significantly smaller than his.
2. I recycle my recyclables at least as well as he does.
3. Since he is a free-loader of a wealthy doctor, he probably never reuses anything.
4. My home is less than half the square-footage of his. (Or more properly, his wife's).
5. My "extreme" right-wing views are far closer to the center than his left-wing views.
6. I am more willing to admit a mistake than him. And I have.
7. Nobody has EVER heard him say he was sorry.
8. In spite of #7, he has made just as many miscalls and mistakes as anyone here.
9. Nobody regard themselves as perfect as SirJosephPorter regards himself.
10. His claim that he worships no heroes is because he thinks that nobody can be a greater hero than him.
11. He is incapable of seeing ACLU and ACORN as extreme left-wing.
12. He would not approve of his son marry a black person (black girl or possibly, based on his rabid defense of anything GAY, a black boy).
13. He will call me - as usual - racist and bigot and extremist.
14. Soon as he ranted long enough about racist and bigot and extremist, he will call me a homophobe.
15. He considers denigrating others is his right to express his opinion, while not giving the same right to those who disagree with him.

I'll stop here now. I am sure others can add to the list.

 

[Francis2004]

So, quit being a hypocrit of monumental (or just MENTAL) proportions and stop pretending that you give a good damn about Global Warming/Climate Change.

Certainly I do, Yukon. It is up to us to leave the earth in livable condition for the coming generations. It is our responsibly not to destroy the planet through reckless behavior, by polluting to our heart’s content.

And these days many people realize the importance of doing something about global warming. It is only the religious nuts (religious right and extreme Catholics) who take the Biblical mandate to conquer, subdue, subjugate the earth as a license to pollute limitlessly.

In this respect, it is interesting to note that when Campbell introduced carbon tax in BC, he got a lot of flack for that. In the recent election, NDP ran on the platform of getting rid of the carbon tax (it sounds hypocritical, but when it comes to getting votes, hypocrisy is one of the milder sins that political parties commit). However, Liberals won another majority; BC citizens were OK with carbon tax.

As I said, these days many people are environmentally responsible, it is only the religious right (and Catholic extremists) who think that polluting to one’s heart’s content is fulfilling God given mandate to subdue the earth.

When you say Extreme Catholic can you point to a Roman Catholic ?

Again, name the extremist Catholic ? Especially RC Catholic..

Yukon Jack.

You have now crossed that personal line you say you never do in personal attacks and name calling. Something I would never have thought you would do.

Calling Yukon Jack an extreme Catholic is crossing the line? I don’t think so. It is not name calling if a person is considered an extremist based upon his views. The term extremist has a specific meaning, which can be backed by evidence, by referring to somebody’s stance on various issues (unlike terms like stupid, idiot etc., which are purely subjective and pure name calling). And much as you may not agree (or may not want to believe); there is an extreme element to Catholicism.

Check out the Catholic league in USA. It is an extreme, far right organization. It has been active in trashing abortion, spreading hatred against gays etc. It was involved in organizing protests over Obama’s speech at Notre Dame. At a personal level, there are politicians like Alan Keyes or Pat Buchanan, which are considered extreme by US standards.

Alan Keyes has filed a lawsuit in California Courts demanding that Obama be disqualified and removed from the post of President. He also got himself arrested at Notre Dame. While most Notre Dame Students were OK with Obama’s visit, outside agitators invaded the campus (illegally) and caused trouble.

So calling somebody an extremist based upon his record is not an insult, not in my opinion anyway.


While they may disagree on theological issues, there is no practice difference between religious right (which tends to be Protestant) and Catholic extremists like Alan Keyes or Donohue (I think he is the President of Catholic league).

There are extremist elements in every religion, without exceptions (there are even Buddhist extremists, it wouldn’t even surprise me if one or two Atheists have extreme views).

To say that you are offended because I said that some Catholics are extremists doesn’t make sense to me.

Where in the quoted above did you start adding some ?

SJP, you seemed to be fixed on labelling all religious groups Extreme and whether people are of belief that conflict with their religion or not you are pain ting all with a broad paint brush..

Why am I offended by such statement, simply because it is moving from Christians to Catholics and now Extreme Catholics. Can you see the pattern here. I do and it is scary.. You are assuming ( yes making ASS U ME ) that all Catholics think alike and those that US splinter groups preach the same gospel the Roman Catholic church does. Not so and although the RC Church has many faults and what are you going to start attacking next. US Catholics who do not believe?

I am sorry but my brown eyes and brown hair will not make me a target just because I believe in God.

The Kennedy's were Catholic ( RC ) so were they extremists ?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SJP, you seemed to be fixed on labeling all religious groups Extreme and whether people are of belief that conflict with their religion or not you are pain ting all with a broad paint brush..

Francis, I did nothing of the sort, right from the beginning I have been talking about extreme Catholics, not ordinary, run of the mill Catholics. Show me a specific post where I paint all the religious people with the same broad brush.

Why am I offended by such statement, simply because it is moving from Christians to Catholics and now Extreme Catholics. Can you see the pattern here. I do and it is scary.

Anything wrong with that? Why is that scary? I have a problem with extremists of all persuasions, including extreme Catholics. I have said frequently that I don’t have a problem with most religious people (most Christians or most Muslims), I do have a problem with extremists.

You are assuming ( yes making ASS U ME ) that all Catholics think alike and those that US splinter groups preach the same gospel the Roman Catholic church does.

I am doing nothing of the sort. I have said it many times, that I respect Mother Teresa. I have also mentioned many Christians (besides Theresa) whom I respect, Jimmy Carter, Bishop Tutu, Rev. MLK etc.

But I do have a problem with extremism. If you think that I am painting all the Christians with the same brush, well I am sorry. But I have never done that, show me even one post of mine where I paint all Christians (or all Catholics) with the same brush. It has never happened.

However, I do have a problem with extremists and I will continue to speak out against extremism of all types (whether Christian, Muslim, Communist or whatever). If somebody is offended by that that is just too bad. And whether you like it or not, there are some Catholics who are extremists.

 

[lone wolf]

Yer busted tacohead....

 

[Francis2004]

Francis, I did nothing of the sort, right from the beginning I have been talking about extreme Catholics, not ordinary, run of the mill Catholics. Show me a specific post where I paint all the religious people with the same broad brush.

SJP, I bolded and then increased the font to make my point..

To say that you are offended because I said that some Catholics are extremists doesn’t make sense to me.

Where in the posts I ( note I ) quoted did you say SOME ?

The tone of your posts lately have been offensive to me. As a Catholic who does not go to church but believes in God I find comments like this as lumping all in one basket.. Not what you would consider fair from someone who is supposed to represent equality for all.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SJP, I bolded and then increased the font to make my point..

Now I am totally confused, Francis. What you bolded was as follows:

To say that you are offended because I said that some Catholics are extremists doesn’t make sense to me.

Now, that is my quote. In response to that, you say this:

Where in the posts I ( note I ) quoted did you say SOME ?

Isn’t the word ‘some' in my post that you quoted (colored red)? What exactly was your point when you bolded and colored it red? What you bolded seems to support my contention that I said some Catholics are extremists.

What you bolded really seems to support my contention.

The tone of your posts lately have been offensive to me. As a Catholic who does not go to church but believes in God I find comments like this as lumping all in one basket..

I am sorry if you find my tone offensive. If you point out exactly what I said that you find offensive, we could discuss it.

Not what you would consider fair from someone who is supposed to represent equality for all.

Again, exactly what did I say that bothers you so much? As far as I recall, I have never painted all the religious people with the same brush. I could produce several of my posts where I have had good things to say about religious people. I fully supported Chrétien, Paul Martin, both were devout Catholics. I think Obama is doing a good job, he is a religious person.

So it is not really clear to me what you are taking offense at. As I said, there is nothing I can do about my tone, but if you have a problem with something specific that I said, we could discuss it.

 

[Johnnny]

im catholic and im extreme you seen my picture, im coming for you evanglican swine

 

[GreenFish66]

I am glad to hear about the Green/clean tech/energy plan Obama's promotin'.Maybe there's still a chance..Still some hope for the future..would be a Dream come true..True balance and sustainability..Green means Green more and more green with out the greed!..

 

[YukonJack]

P.S. to my post #310, which at the time of this posting has been strangely ignored by SirJosephPorter.

16. In SirJosephPorter's world, everyone else's facts are just their opinions, while his opinions are facts.

I did not post this on purpose, because I was certain that in hi own inimitable style, sooner or later he would prove me right.

SirJosephPorter never disappoints.

 

[Cannuck]

Francis, I did nothing of the sort, right from the beginning I have been talking about extreme Catholics, not ordinary, run of the mill Catholics. Show me a specific post where I paint all the religious people with the same broad brush.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/introductions/84154-moving-canada-3.html#post1095508

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/Q...istian ‘loves thy neighbour’? Mother Theresa?

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Cliffy, love thy neighbour? Wash your mouth with soap, which self respecting Christian ‘loves thy neighbour’? The motto of religious wackos is as follows:

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Wife is husband’s servant, his property.
Gays deserve the death penalty.
Anybody who disagrees with their version of God is bound straight for Hell.

Yukon Jack belongs to that group (so do several of the Trolls here). Love thy neighbour? That is crazy talk.

You are a lying liar.

Your wife is not a doctor and you sell computers at Staples. You need to falsely pump yourself up and put others down because you have such a low opinion of yourself. The funny thing is, most people don't care what you or your wife do for a living. Unlike you, that type of thing doesn't matter to normal people. We see value in ideas, not job titles.

Now, you have lied. You have been caught in a lie and everybody but you knows it (you don't read my posts after all).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I am glad to hear about the Green/clean tech/energy plan Obama's promotin'.Maybe there's still a chance..Still some hope for the future..would be a Dream come true..True balance and sustainability..Green means Green more and more green with out the greed!..

With Obama we have the best chance that something will be done about the environment. Bush was viciously anti-environment, it came from his religious right roots.

McCain had said that he would do something to stem global warming. However, most of the Republican base is convinced that global warming is an Al Qaeda plot hatched to ruin the economy of USA. So if McCain had become the president, his party may well have persuaded to stay away from global warming.

Obama is the best hope for doing something about global warming. Let us hope he stays true to his views.