Is Vegetarianism/Veganism The New Religion in N.A.

L Gilbert

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I'm wondering if vegans and vegetarians have more sensitivity to cold than the rest of us. As far as I know, vegetables and whatnot are not a good source of brown fat (brown adipose tissue). I think BAT burns calories to help us stay warm.
Any food scientists in the house?
 

Ron in Regina

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You can feed seven Bison on the same amount of pasture that you
can feed one cow. With some creative AGW, maybe we can create
the proper enviroment to have large scale commercial alligator farms
on the Canadian Prairies. 8O :lol::lol::lol:
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Cannuck.

You seem to be assuming that all vegetarians and vegans have chosen the lifestype on scientific grounds. While some vegans and vegetarians do argue based on eccological and nutritional grounds (both of which can be legitimate if factual), it is not true that this is the case for all vegans and vegetarians.

When I'd first chosen to switch to vegetarianism and later veganism, it was on compassionate grounds. Sure I'd done research to find out if it was healthy, so yes there was a scientific basis there. But that was after having decided to consider vegetarianism and then veganism, not as a primary cause.

Now science aside, but just going from my own experience, I'd say that my thinking is clearer than when I eat meat. I also feel more energetic. In the beginning I always felt hungry and so ate more but graduallly began to eat less once I'd gotten used to it.

And there was a question above as to whether vegetarians feel colder in winter. I'd say that was the case for me, but again there are simple solutions. Eat more hot food, drink warm water, etc. Not a big problem.

And yes, I do know the other side of thestory too. As a kid I ate alot of meat, went fishing and then went hunting. I didn't like any of it, mainly on compassionate grounds.

I should also point out that not everything in life can be answered by science alone. Let's face it, eugenics is efficient. It can be proven to be so economically and logistically. But are we going to recommend it just because it's 'scientific'? Obviously not. Morals,ethics and spirituality can answer questions that science simply cannot.

As for changing animal husbandry practices, I used to hunt. The animals were freerange until their death. I always aimed for the heart or the head depending on the animal.Yet even if it appeared that the animal didn't suffer, I still didn't like the idea of killing it when another option existed. I've never worked on a farm before, but common sense would dictate that there are only so many ways of killing an animal. Even if you can avoid pain, the principle still remains.

To suggest that we must adhere to science alone in making decisions and that it si silly to take moral and other factors into consideration is highly myopic to say the least.
 

L Gilbert

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Anyway, as much as I like veggies n fruits, meat is a source of sustenance in my encyclopedia. I am an omnivore, I have more than just molars in my noggin, and I like the taste of meat ( more so the flavors of moose and elk over beef).

hehehe As far as life itself goes, a carrot is just as much alive as a moose.
 

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Cannuck.

You seem to be assuming that all vegetarians and vegans have chosen the lifestype on scientific grounds.

Not at all. I"m saying that those that have chosen it on scientific grounds are misinformed. They have been misinformed by religious vegetarians that twist science in a feeble attempt to support their views. Some, like yourself, have chosen it on moral grounds. I think you are wrong but to each his own.

While some vegans and vegetarians do argue based on eccological and nutritional grounds (both of which can be legitimate if factual)...

Yes, if factual but, factually based arguments in favour of vegetarianism/veganism are somewhat akin to factually based accounts of the movements of the Easter Bunny.

When I'd first chosen to switch to vegetarianism and later veganism, it was on compassionate grounds.

Eating meat is not cruel or harsh. Compassion is not a part of nature.

Now science aside, ...

Yes, of course...

Morals,ethics and spirituality can answer questions that science simply cannot.

So I guess I was right. Spirituality is a part of this (obviously science isn't). As I said, I understand how some have problems when their spirituality is questioned.

To suggest that we must adhere to science alone in making decisions and that it si silly to take moral and other factors into consideration is highly myopic to say the least.

I have no problem if people wish to disregard science and decide to make their decisions based on spirituality. They should just be honest about it and not try to bullsh*t people in some feeble attempt to proselytize.
 

Said1

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My daughter is only 9, and tends to turn down red meats, favoring chicken, fish, beans and lentils, tofu. Processed meats she regularly turns her nose up at. Every year she leans more and more toward vegetarianism. It's totally a matter of taste with her. My sister was the same way (only of the preachy and judgy to top it off variety). Some people just don't like it.

And so long as they don't mind their salmon or eggplant bbq'ing next to my half dead cow... that's fine by me. LOL.


My daughter is the opposite of me. She likes meaty meat dishes and will eat just about any type of meat, but fish. Hates any and all types of beans, even hummus. I don't try to influence her, that's just her.
 

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I've been having iron issues, and when they hit, I literally want fresh, carved off a still warm animal, meat. I've hit the point of some days just grilling my meat enough to make it warm in the middle so the juices run. I know that probably sounds revolting to anyone who doesn't eat meat on moral grounds or because it grosses them out, but, I can't help what my body craves.

Yep, cooking good meat beyond a certain point certainly doesn't do it any good.
 

Ron in Regina

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The "Church of Non-Animal Testes/Haggis/Head Cheese Consumers."

I might be able to get behind that one. It's not such a wacky idea if you
can start it and obtain tax exempt status.
 

Said1

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The response was interesting to say the least. Said1, despite not being a vegetarian (still eats chicken and fish), feels derogatory comments were directed at her. Speaking of "get a grip".

Yes. People do make derogatory remarks about what I do and do not like to eat. I'm sorry you are confused by the fact that I did not differentiate between the OP, comments in this thread and people in general. In hindsight, I probably should have said "why do people I encounter in real life feel that they can make derogatory comments about what I eat, because they do?" Better?

Regarding the 'religion' comment, in this thread - my point still stands 'get a grip'. There are varying degrees of vegetarianism. Some vegetarians do not eat meat due to religious beliefs, some are not but might as well be and for some it's a matter of what they do and do not like. So, like I said, get a grip. No one likes to be categorized in such generalized terms.
 

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The "Church of Non-Animal Testes/Haggis/Head Cheese Consumers."

I might be able to get behind that one. It's not such a wacky idea if you
can start it and obtain tax exempt status.


I'm not sure about the rest of it but head cheese is delicious.
 

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And as for vegetarianism affecting the brain, meet the following vegetarians:

Mark Twain, Tolstoy, Gandhi, Benjamin Franklin, and many other famous vegetarians. And then we can add simpathisers to the list too.
 

L Gilbert

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Perhaps definitions would help:
vegan = "someone who eats no animal or dairy products at all " -Princeton U. Press
vegetarians vary on what they consume: some eat eggs, drink milk, etc. while not eating flesh of animals. Others are vegans. Others eat fish and veggies and leave out eggs and milk.
Suits me fine. :)
 

JLM

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Perhaps definitions would help:
vegan = "someone who eats no animal or dairy products at all " -Princeton U. Press
vegetarians vary on what they consume: some eat eggs, drink milk, etc. while not eating flesh of animals. Others are vegans. Others eat fish and veggies and leave out eggs and milk.
Suits me fine. :)

I wonder if anyone has compiled life expectancy figures for the vegans, vegetarians and normal eaters, so we could see a comparison- that would impress me. Otherwise it's just a matter of "taste".
 

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Honestly, I never thought about increasing my lifespan.

Never joined a group, never met any "higher ups", nothing, just decided to stop eating mammals. Cannuck can type whatever silly garbage he/she wants, it doesn't make it true.


And as for the non-innards-eating folks ( L Gilbert made a WICKED funny there, cheers to "religiously" avoiding hahaha) I would help you out with maybe the memorial gardens or something- I specialise in growing carnivorous plants haha quite fitting I would think
 

L Gilbert

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I wonder if vegans are fussy enough to not eat foods that have been fertilized by critters in the usual manners (manure directly deposited by such critters or collected and spread by humans).
Either way, we ALL eat stuff that's been recycled one way or the other. Meat included. It is, after all, only made of molecules.