The Improbability of God

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Monotheism and idolatry (or polytheism)






Some of atheists mix the idols which were invented by people with God Almighty and Creator [claiming that God is an invented idea just like the stony idols], and they mix the religion of the idolatry with the monotheism: the true religion of God.

The religion of God brought by the apostles, from the time of Adam then Noah and till now; such religion of God was essentially directed against the idolatry and the association with God.

This is in the Quran 12: 39: 40 about the words of Prophet Joseph son of Jacob:

يَا صَاحِبَيِ السِّجْنِ أَأَرْبَابٌ مُّتَفَرِّقُونَ خَيْرٌ أَمِ اللّهُ الْوَاحِدُ الْقَهَّارُ . مَا تَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِهِ إِلاَّ أَسْمَاء سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنتُمْ وَآبَآؤُكُم مَّا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ بِهَا مِن سُلْطَانٍ إِنِ الْحُكْمُ إِلاَّ لِلّهِ أَمَرَ أَلاَّ تَعْبُدُواْ إِلاَّ إِيَّاهُ ذَلِكَ الدِّينُ الْقَيِّمُ وَلَـكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ

The explanation:
"O my two fellow-prisoners, which is better: many differing lords [or gods] or God: the One, the Omnipotent?"

"Apart from Him, you worship none other than names you have named, you and your fathers, concerning which God has not sent down any authority
[: He did not command that in any heavenly book, but people invented such idols].

The decision is up to God only. He has commanded that none other than He should be worshipped.

That is the religion of [Jacob] the guardian [on his sons and family], but most of people do not know [the truth.]"


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Most of this I found to be unintelligible, but you say there is only one god. You cannot prove that there aren't other gods, you can only say there aren't. Saying so doesn't prove so. Hindus think there are many, Buddhists, Shinto, native North Americans, and Wiccans also. I am sure that they are just as adamant as you are and have just as valid proof that there is more than one god.
 
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The Worldly life is not the terminal



Some atheists think that they will die and become dust and that's all. So they will die, then their children will live instead of them; so they will live by their children, and their energy will be transmitted to their offspring.

To this illusion of course they haven't any proof, but only their guessing and wishing and desiring that this subject will be as such; so that there will be no spiritual life to follow the death, and everything will end, and they will therefore escape with their sins and transgressions on people and oppression of themselves and others..............​
aaaaaaahahahhahahahahahahhaaaa
You obviously think genetics is a myth and we pass nothing of ourselves on to our kids. Riiiiight! :roll: If you believe that, I have a big bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you.​
 

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eanassir;1066808quote said:
Some atheists think that they will die and become dust and that's all. So they will die, then their children will live instead of them; so they will live by their children, and their energy will be transmitted to their offspring.
The dust as you call it, is our earth, from where we came, and it is natural
that we return to the earth and become part of it again, easy to understand.
The genes of the parents live on throughout the lives of their children, and their's and
their's and their's, there is no energy that is transmitted to the offspring, after death, only during
the lives of both, when the children see and appreciate the energy of their parents,
and feed off of it.

To this illusion of course they haven't any proof, but only their guessing and wishing and desiring that this subject will be as such; so that there will be no spiritual life to follow the death, and everything will end, and they will therefore escape with their sins and transgressions on people and oppression of themselves and others.

Just as you think I am 'wishing and guessing', I am thinking the same of you, see how
it works?, you believe one thing and I believe another, simple, but the difference is
this, I am not preaching constantly to you that you should 'do' what I do, or 'believe'
what I believe, I accept you as you are and respect your right to believe what you
want, but you are so 'rigid' you can't do that, and that's too bad, I guess in your life,
you aren't allowed to do that.

We had a good friend years ago, who sat down with us one day and informed us that
he would not be coming to our house, or be our friend any longer, because he wasn't
successful in converting us to his religious way of life, and didn't want to mix with us
any more because if the world came to an end, he wouldn't be able to help us, as we
wouldn't be part of the 'saved' ones.
That is so sad and outragious, but it was his choice, and we never saw him again.

Athiests don't believe in 'sin' as you speak, we live with the honour system, don't want
to hurt one another, care for our children, love our children, and we don't have to
answer to any imaginary gods, just to 'each other', so, we don't believe that we die
and take our sins anywhere. You see, what happens in your system only affects you,
and others like you, not us, we don't believe what you believe, so it is irrelevant,
once it leaves your belief system.
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I say to them: every man is a unique individual personality; each man is a separate entity. They are certainly different persons than their children, and their children are different from them.
Of course each human is a complete individual and unique in their own way, but
everyone carries the genes of their parents, and that will never leave them, and
they will pass their genes on to their children, that is a connection by 'blood' that
bonds them forever, and when the parents are gone, the memories are there, and
adds to the strength of the lives of the children.



Another point: if man disappears from existence by his death (as do some atheists claim), what benefit for him that his children and all people that are on earth will live and will be happy or not happy?
It does not benefit the dead parent, but the children can live on, carrying the genes
of the parents, be happy as a result of a good life with the parents, and the help of
the parents during their lives together and apart, we all have each other, and there
is no 'strength' stronger than that.

And if he suffers the punishment in the afterlife, will it avail him anything that his children are happy and prosperous or are in misery and wretchedness?
There is no afterlife.

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The explanation:
(O mankind, safeguard [yourselves] against [the punishment of] your Lord,
and fear [the punishment of] a day when no parent can avail anything for his begotten [son or daughter], nor can any begotten [son or daughter] avail anything for his parent;
surely the promise of God [about the judgment, the punishment and the reward] is true;
so let not the Worldly life deceive you [with its ornamentation, and so divert you from celebrating God],
nor let [Satan:] the deceiver deceive you to [disobey] God.)
All of the above only affects you and yours, has no connection to my life at all.
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The explanation:
(On the day when man shall flee from his brother [when this has been sentenced to Hell], his mother and his father, his wife and his sons;

Every man, that day, will have concern enough to make him heedless [of others.] )
There is no hell, or heaven, as an atheist I don't harp on such things, there is more
important 'real' things in this life to think about.
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However, guidance is only up to God alone, as in this ayah 10: 101

For you, not for me. You can believe in whatever you want, that is your choice,
not mine, to each his own.
I am a spiritual person in a much different way than you, it doesn't have to be
connected to any god or religion, the god believers don't have the rights of ownership
to that word.

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"The Improbability of God" is = to the improbability of goblins, I would bet.

lol Someone again mentioned to me the story where an atheist had started praying while being involved in a war. I am not surprised. People tend to think abnormally when their lives are threatened or while they are under some other form of duress.
 
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"The Improbability of God" is = to the improbability of goblins, I would bet.

lol Someone again mentioned to me the story where an atheist had started praying while being involved in a war. I am not surprised. People tend to think abnormally when their lives are threatened or while they are under some other form of duress.

Gilbert, I seriously doubt if the story is true. ‘There are no Atheists in a foxhole’ is a canard cooked up by Fundamentalist Christians.

If I am in a foxhole, I fail to see why I would start praying if I see enemy coming, rather than prepare to defend myself.
 

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Damn I know one of those great trans-religious jokes involving a fox hole but it's visual.

If were in a foxhole I'd prefer a satanist beside me.
 

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only He told that He lifted up the sky or the firmament without any pillars that they see.
I'm not sure when this verse was first spoken, it seems to support a lack of supports.
Job:26:7: He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.eanassir;1066505]
only He told that He lifted up the sky or the firmament without any pillars that they see.
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I'm not sure when this verse was first spoken, it seems to support a lack of supports.
Job:26:7: He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

And I see you still haven't accepted the simple observable fact that Venus has not stopped its axial rotation.
Speed of the Earth
Since the circumference of the earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles, a spot on the equator rotates at approximately 1037.5646 miles per hour (1037.5646 times 24 equals 24,901.55) (1669.8 km/h).

VS

Avg. Orbital Speed
35.020 km/s
Venus

Relatively speaking a speed that is less than 2% of the reference speed (the earth) Venus can be said to be not rotating (as viewed from the earth 1400 years ago).

Perhaps you have a similar reference from some ancient science-book. I assume they did write things like that down.


Yes, you can, Cliff. But, you'll have to wear a spandex superhero outfit or be painted in the nude!

Just make sure you two can put everything back the way it was, if not you're just more 'wannabees'.

Everyone should enjoy God's amazing and wonderful Tuberculosis. Care to give it a whirl enassir?
Still, lt's just a variety of things and ways that can make a person lose the 'breath of life', rather than just old-age.
Once you find the passage that explains why some are taken earlier in life than others you will also have a new appreciation that it is as kind as it seems to be cruel. With others it would actually be a waste of time and .......

It is a very brave and realistic journey when one realizes that we are of the earth
and will return to the earth, just like all of our animal friends, and that is it, and
we will leave ourselves 'in' our children, to carry on.
Maybe you will come back as a tree and get cut down and made into paper on which the Bible is printed. See you might have a place in the Kingdom of God after all.
 

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Once you find the passage that explains why some are taken earlier in life than others you will also have a new appreciation that it is as kind as it seems to be cruel. With others it would actually be a waste of time and .......
I thought god gave dominion over all other life on the planet...except the microbes apparently?Microbes and mycellium decide who and what lives on this planet. Do they have a covenant with Jehovah too? If they do it gives them far more power than he gave us. So much for Jewish lawyers being the best.
 

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I'm not sure when this verse was first spoken, it seems to support a lack of supports.
Job:26:7: He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.


Speed of the Earth
Since the circumference of the earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles, a spot on the equator rotates at approximately 1037.5646 miles per hour (1037.5646 times 24 equals 24,901.55) (1669.8 km/h).

VS

Avg. Orbital Speed
35.020 km/s
Venus

Relatively speaking a speed that is less than 2% of the reference speed (the earth) Venus can be said to be not rotating (as viewed from the earth 1400 years ago).

Perhaps you have a similar reference from some ancient science-book. I assume they did write things like that down.




Just make sure you two can put everything back the way it was, if not you're just more 'wannabees'.


Still, lt's just a variety of things and ways that can make a person lose the 'breath of life', rather than just old-age.
Once you find the passage that explains why some are taken earlier in life than others you will also have a new appreciation that it is as kind as it seems to be cruel. With others it would actually be a waste of time and .......


Maybe you will come back as a tree and get cut down and made into paper on which the Bible is printed. See you might have a place in the Kingdom of God after all.

I'm not coming back.
And, when I have broken down and part of the earth, I will be mixed with
millions of other particles, and whatever those particles grow into, or not, is
only a minute part of me. There is no kingdom of god, so I. or anyone else
will not be placed there.
 

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I'm not coming back.
And, when I have broken down and part of the earth, I will be mixed with
millions of other particles, and whatever those particles grow into, or not, is
only a minute part of me. There is no kingdom of god, so I. or anyone else
will not be placed there.
If you are part of the earth then you do get recycled, again and again and again. No big deal as you are unaware of anything after your last breath.
Actually in that kingdom that same breath gets some dust and the two are 'alive again'. Again no big deal, if you don't like the arrangement there is an 'door with an exit on it'.
 

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Gilbert, I seriously doubt if the story is true. ‘There are no Atheists in a foxhole’ is a canard cooked up by Fundamentalist Christians.

If I am in a foxhole, I fail to see why I would start praying if I see enemy coming, rather than prepare to defend myself.
Actually, I think I did look it up one time and found a story of a fellow atheist in WW1 that was being bombarded by mortarfire and started to pray. Who knows if it was his sense of humor or whether he had "converted"?
If I am in a foxhole and being bombarded by mortarfire, I will try to tuck myself down as far as possible. You can srick your head out and shoot at the folks with the mortars if you want. lol

At any rate. my point was that stress makes people do all kinds of irrational things like praying.
 

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I'm not sure when this verse was first spoken, it seems to support a lack of supports.
Job:26:7: He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Seems to me that the atmospheres are supported by a balnce of gravity and centrifugal forces. To call that balance "pillars" is a bit of a stretch. However, calling the balance "nothing" is also a stretch.


Speed of the Earth
Since the circumference of the earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles, a spot on the equator rotates at approximately 1037.5646 miles per hour (1037.5646 times 24 equals 24,901.55) (1669.8 km/h).
1037.5646 sounds pretty specific to me. (Um, mathematically, it is bad to specify 4 digits after thedecimal point when one or more of the first numbers contains less than 4.)

VS

Avg. Orbital Speed
35.020 km/s
Venus

Relatively speaking a speed that is less than 2% of the reference speed (the earth) Venus can be said to be not rotating (as viewed from the earth 1400 years ago).
Relatively speaking, Earth can be said to have no spin either.
Maybe you will come back as a tree and get cut down and made into paper on which the Bible is printed. See you might have a place in the Kingdom of God after all.
lol I can't see him looking for such a place.
 

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I thought god gave dominion over all other life on the planet...

Quite right, Petros, and I think that is why religious right is strongly, virulently anti-environment.

God did not tell Adam to preserve the environment, to conserve it. God told Adam to subdue it, to dominate it. Now, subdue (or dominate) and preserve are totally different things.

Subdue implies that man may do with animal and plant life as he wishes, preserve it, kill it off, enslave it, torture it whatever. Man has the dominion.

So religious right does not take kindly to any talk of preserving the environment, it sounds too wimpy, too sissy to them.

On this one plank, anti-environment, the two important pillars of the Conservative Party (or Republican Party), religious right and big business agree, though they come at it from different angles, one from religion, other from profit.
 

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If you are part of the earth then you do get recycled, again and again and again. No big deal as you are unaware of anything after your last breath.
Actually in that kingdom that same breath gets some dust and the two are 'alive again'. Again no big deal, if you don't like the arrangement there is an 'door with an exit on it'.
Again, why would we even be interested if such a place even existed? If it did I would avoid the door with an entrance on it, unless of course I was in the mood to exact revenge upon the megalomaniacal, sociopathic, sadistic creep that ran the place.
 

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Again, why would we even be interested if such a place even existed? If it did I would avoid the door with an entrance on it, unless of course I was in the mood to exact revenge upon the megalomaniacal, sociopathic, sadistic creep that ran the place.
I could even give you the amount of time you get to do it, it is considerably less than what you hear concerning your mistakes in life.
 

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It is about what you have done and cannot undo. God is the one who will be moving things about.
Forget about me, I have no desire to do anything to/for you. The times are in the Bible, look them up if you don't believe me.
 

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I would never even think about undoing most of what I have done. As for stuff I have done that was in error, I moved on and don't dwell on them.
Forget about you? But it was you who said, "I could even give you the amount of time you get to do it" as if you had some say in the matter between me and the bit of fiction you call "God". lmao
What times are you talking about?
 
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Holy pickerel! I almost forgot today is Freyja'sDay! Another work week ends with a goddess!