Abortion is not Immoral
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and you're ok with a mother carrying the fetus to term after being raped. I guess your thoughts are biased with your religion and against the mental well being of both the mother and the child.
Imagine if the child went looking for it's biological mother and found her to learn that she/he were a product of a vicious incestuos rape?
I'll go back to my origianl comment.... nice value system you have8O
You have just explained the 38th parallel. After the American Revolution, those who enjoyed the benefits of freedom and liberty went south of the 38th parallel, and those who enjoyed the comforts of King George III (who was an insane ruler) moved north of the 38th parallel. The choice is tough but clear, liberty has a certain price, and enslavement has a certain comfort. It turns out Canadians preferred the comforts of corrupted bureaucracy.
being above the citizens and giving rights to civilians. In America, the citizens entitle the government laws and ethics
A fetus (collection of cells) is not a citizen even in a place as moralistically backwards as the USA
As for the "citizens" entitling the gov't laws (they don't entitle ethics or morals), I guess that is the case in only the last 45 yrs when the USA actually became a democratic free country
1964 - The civil rights act allowed "black" people to vote. The last industrialized country to do so.
America, the citizens entitle the government laws and ethics
It's a travesty to mention America and ethics in the same breath (see post above)
It's a travesty to mention America and ethics in the same breath (see post above)
I'm not a statistician or a researcher. If you can come up with some stats on how many late term abortions are purely elective, I'd love to see them. Barring that, I have to go by my experience and just plain old common sense. Even if I had never participated in terminating any pregnancies, logic would tell me that a woman wouldn't wait till she was 7 months pregnant to abort for convenience. The notion is absurd. Don't give me the benefit of the doubt, use some common sense. Women who abort late in the pregnancy have to explain their abortion to everyone they know because they'd already be showing. Do you really think they would be willing to deal with the judgemental attitudes just cause they changed their mind on having a baby? Plus, the procedure itself is anything but convenient at that point (it's usually inducing labor and going through the natural birthing process or a surgical procedure which requires a long recovery). And, they'd actually have to find a doctor or a hospital willing to do the abortion. I would suggest you try calling some abortion clinics or hospitals and telling them you want to abort a healthy 30 week fetus. See if they'll help you out. My guess is you'll have a REAAAAALLLLLLLYYYY hard time finding any that will.
The issues you listed fit fine for early abortions. They don't for the late ones. I freely admit my experiences with those families make me feel protective. I think people who judge them without ever having been in their shoes are naive at best. You can not know what you'd do in that situation until you face it. I say that because there are conditions for which nearly 90% of people choose to terminate the pregnancy. So either only pro-choice people have sick babies or even pro-lifers can change their mind when it directly affects them. I suspect it's the latter. I wouldn't wish that heartbreaking decision on anybody, so I won't judge how they deal with it.
Religion has nothing to do with it.
Perhaps the answer is not to have adaption records available.... and yes I have a great value system
I'm VERY pro adoption, being that I was adopted.... But, the notion of not having records available is a horrible idea. First off, it wouldn't happen thanks to the access to information laws we have (that's how I got my records when I was 18). Secondly the adopted child is the only person who was unable to consent to the adoption. How is it fair to tell them they have no right to information when they had no say in the adoption?
Accessing my records and meeting my bio mom worked out fine (I wasn't the product of rape, just plain ol' irresponsible teenage sex). I know people for whom it didn't work out well. It's really their decision to make and their risk to take.
Risus and Tyr,
aren't you glad that your mothers - unlike you - were decent and loving people and not some pro-abortion, selfish and irresponsible no-good louts?
Aren't you glad that YOUR fathers did not pull out prior your totally misbegotten conception?
aren't you glad that your mothers - unlike you - were decent and loving people and not some pro-abortion, selfish and irresponsible no-good louts?
Aren't you glad that YOUR fathers did not pull out prior your totally misbegotten conception?
Yes I'm glad about those facts, but that has nothing to do with the poor babies
who are brought into this world, not wanted, full of drugs, and live a life of abuse, neglect
and are not loved, they grow up with many problems, and many of those problems
are passed on to their children.
I am OK with early abortions, and will repeat that fact anytime.
who are brought into this world, not wanted, full of drugs, and live a life of abuse, neglect
and are not loved, they grow up with many problems, and many of those problems
are passed on to their children.
I am OK with early abortions, and will repeat that fact anytime.
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Hey Yuke- you can make enemies that way. You should check to see if your local library has a book called "How to Win Friends and Influence People", it might help you brush up on some subtle deficiencies. P.S. have you heard from Lemon Beagle lately...................................:lol::lol:
Tracy, my wife was adopted at birth, because her family could not afford raising her. She was the ninth child. Her dad lost an arn at his job and was fired. But her mom took the responsible thing and put her up for adoption.
57 years later she found seven living siblings, who embraced her with all the love to be afforded to a sibling you have known all your life.
If it had not been for her Mom's courageous decision, I have no idea who my wife would be now, but I am sure I could not have found a more gracious lady than she. She is the best example - as far as I am concerned - that no matter how difficult things might look, no matter how inconvenient being a mother might be, ABORTION IS NEVER AN OPTION.
I DO hope your story ia as happy as my wife's.
57 years later she found seven living siblings, who embraced her with all the love to be afforded to a sibling you have known all your life.
If it had not been for her Mom's courageous decision, I have no idea who my wife would be now, but I am sure I could not have found a more gracious lady than she. She is the best example - as far as I am concerned - that no matter how difficult things might look, no matter how inconvenient being a mother might be, ABORTION IS NEVER AN OPTION.
I DO hope your story ia as happy as my wife's.
I should apoligize for my last epistle, I don't disagree 1/4 as much with what you say as how you say it. Sometimes it's better just to ask a few questions instead of running the guy into the mud with 28" tires.
JLM, I have lots of friends. At my age I am not particukarly vconcerned about influencing people.
I only raised a question, which - not surprisingly - no abortion advocate ever eager or even willing to answer. Would you care to put your 2 cents' worth in?
BTW, I talked to Lemon Beagle a few minutes ago - not loudly, just by winking an eye - when I shaved this morning.
I only raised a question, which - not surprisingly - no abortion advocate ever eager or even willing to answer. Would you care to put your 2 cents' worth in?
BTW, I talked to Lemon Beagle a few minutes ago - not loudly, just by winking an eye - when I shaved this morning.