Should non-citizens be eligible for Canadian Forces recruitment?

Should non-citizens be allowed to join the Canadian forces?

  • Yes. Whoever is most qualified for the job.

    Votes: 7 36.8%
  • Only thoe in whose countries we are operating.

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • No.

    Votes: 11 57.9%
  • Other answer.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    19

Mogz

Council Member
Jan 26, 2006
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What? No. Do you have any idea how stupid that is?

If our army has a right to be in their country, then their people have a
right to be in our army. If their people is unworthy of being treated as
human beings equal to us, then why are we there?

It's OUR Army, not the Afghan National Army. They have theirs, we have
ours, why on Earth would we bring people not of our culture in to our
Army? The only people that serve in the Canadian Forces, are Canadian
citizens. We have no problem working alongside other Nations, and this
is most certainly NOT about treating them as equals, they simply are not
Canadian, ergo have no place serving in the Canadian Forces. The same
goes for Americans, Japanese, French, individuals, if you're not of the
Commonwealth, sorry access denied.

I was responding to a previous comment that Canadian soldiers would have
a hard time trusting Afghans in their units. Does this not imply that
Canadian soldiers are zenophobic? That's not necessarily what I believe,
but clearly if one believes that Canadian soldiers would fear fighting
side by side with Afghans in Afghanistan, then that says that he
believes Canadian soldiers to be zenophobic.

Lets put that to rest right now. I served in Afghanistan alongside
members of the Afghan National Army. No one in the Canadian Forces are
leery of working next to Afghan soldiers, in fact they're some excellent
guys to have next to you.

With that all said and done, it does not change the fact that
non-Canadians should not be enrolled in the Canadian Forces, simply
because we're operating in a Country they come from. Doing so would pose several problems:

Diet - Afghans do not eat the same food as we do. Partly because
they're Muslim, and largely because their food is steeped in 1000s of
years of tradition. We cannot create a supply system to cater to two
different ethnic groups.

TRAINING - Do you have any idea how much money and time it takes
to train a soldier, and not just a soldier for garrison in Canada, but
one for combat? We're talking years here, years to get a man or woman up
to code, to be able to enter a combat environment and have a better than
average chance to survive. We simply don't have the time, resources, or
NEED to train Afghans on top of our own citizens to fight.

Work ethic - Afghans have a different concept than Canadians. We
work until the work is done, they work until they're bored with it, and
pick it up again later. That simply would not work between two distinct
groups of people.

LANGUAGE - Most Afghans speak Dari or Pashtu, most Canadians
speak English or French. See the problem? How can you effectively
incorporate Afghans in to the Canadian Forces when we don't even speak
the same language? Sure, currently small mentor teams in Afghanistan use
interpreters, but that simply does not work on a large scale level.

Equality - Bringing Afghans in to the Canadian Forces would
therefore entitle them to the same benefits as Canadians; medical care,
dental care, pensions, etc, something I doubt the tax payers want to pay
for.

In the end, it's a feel good idea (albeit a pipe dream of one), but simply isn't practicle. I worked my ass off to wear the Canadian uniform, they get millions of dollars payed out to them each year by our Country and others, and equipment supplied to them from multiple Nations. I, as well as others, have no problem with
the Afghan National Army serving alongside us, just like Americans, or
Dutch, or Brits, but Afghans who are not Canadian citizens have no place in our Army.
 

Tyr

Council Member
Nov 27, 2008
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Quote:
If our army has a right to be in their country, then their people have a
right to be in our army. If their people is unworthy of being treated as
human beings equal to us, then why are we there?

that would be the million dollar question. Why are we there? We shouldn't be, so that makes the whole question moot
 

ironsides

Executive Branch Member
Feb 13, 2009
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"In the end, it's a feel good idea (albeit a pipe dream of one), but simply isn't practicle. I worked my ass off to wear the Canadian uniform, they get millions of dollars payed out to them each year by our Country and others, and equipment supplied to them from multiple Nations. I, as well as others, have no problem with
the Afghan National Army serving alongside us, just like Americans, or
Dutch, or Brits, but Afghans who are not Canadian citizens have no place in our Army."

Perfect reply.
 

Tonington

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Oct 27, 2006
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What kind of scumbag would join a foreign army to fight against his own people?

Such a scum should be shot by either army.

Says the person who believes he is being held against his will by hostile forces. But somebody who feels as you do, and actually has conviction must be a scum bag? Maybe you're just a spineless complainer?
 

Johnnny

Frontiersman
Jun 8, 2007
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in afganistan yes, recruit a local miltia to police themselves....

But no i dont want no none canadian citizen in our military

The best thing i would think thats best for us is there country joins NATO and they work along side us and the rest of the other NATO countries, but this scenario is not a good one either
 

Machjo

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Oct 19, 2004
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The problem with NATO though is that its purpose is to defend its members against the Wasaw Pact. The problem with that is that the Warsaw Pact doesn't exist anymore. So the problem with that is that NATO is now too busy trying to figure out who its enemy is. When an alliance no longer has a clearly defined policy or, as is the case with NATO, an outdated one with no idea for a new one, it's time to disband it.
 

Mogz

Council Member
Jan 26, 2006
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Quote:
that would be the million dollar question. Why are we there? We shouldn't be, so that makes the whole question moot

That's YOUR opinion. Thankfully it does not matter in the grand scheme of things.

Machjo said:
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North Atlantic Treaty Organization. What has Afghanistan got to do with the North Atlantic?

Um, it's the North Atlantic TREAY ORGANIZATION. The name has nothing to do with where or why the signature members operate. It's simply a name given which reflects where the MAJORITY of signature nations are located.
 

Nuggler

kind and gentle
Feb 27, 2006
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North Atlantic Treaty Organization. What has Afghanistan got to do with the North Atlantic?

8O.Can't believe someone would actually ask that.

But, sure; let anyone who wants to join up, join up. Like the French Foreign Legion.
One would get a new name, a "secure" future, Canadian citizenship, and a chance to die young.

What more could one wish for?
 

DavidB

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Apr 24, 2006
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No.

Citizenship requires some commitment on the part of a person, so at least a bare minimum is met. The military relies on men acting in solid, cohesive units. If anybody was let in, perhaps even people who didn't speak English, order would fall apart and the results would be fatal.