Chrysler threatens pullout from Canada

[Johnnny]

I dont think we should be helping anymore that my opinion, yes i got laid off in decemeber, no i dont want to argue it

If were going to help anyone, lets help mining industry.... I bet every province and territory combined has more laid off miners, and mining support industry then the auto industry

 

[lone wolf]

I dont think we should be helping anymore that my opinion, yes i got laid off in decemeber, no i dont want to argue it

If were going to help anyone, lets help mining industry.... I bet every province and territory combined has more laid off miners, and mining support industry then the auto industry

Fact is, Johnny, I don't think Sudz is going to recover well from this one. Inco has cheaper digs in Voiseys Bay and a smelter opening close by. That means Copper Cliff won't have Voiseys Bay ore to process. Right now, it's salting down very expensive high sulphur content ore from underground. Likewise, Falconbridge is gone. FNX has a good prospect in the nickel rim project but it can't survive long on Inco tailings. The only thing keeping Vale Inco and Xstrada alive now is precious metals.

My son-in-law was with Trex Redrill. He has to look south. We feel your pain....

 

[Tyr]

I dont think we should be helping anymore that my opinion, yes i got laid off in decemeber, no i dont want to argue it

If were going to help anyone, lets help mining industry.... I bet every province and territory combined has more laid off miners, and mining support industry then the auto industry

that's a good point. If Nortel went to the gov't and tried to hold them hostage with the threat of going under, would the gov't help out? We've already seen that they won't and Nortel is a Canadian company, not an American subsidiary

Give Chrysler an ultimatum. Merge with another manufacturer in the next three months, THEN we'll give you some interim financing

 

[SirJosephPorter]

that's a good point. If Nortel went to the gov't and tried to hold them hostage with the threat of going under, would the gov't help out?

Tyr, I think Nortel filed for bankruptcy just recently.

 

[Tyr]

The $75/h is an estimate between wages and the value of the
many other perks like health care, pension, etc...Chrysler is
asking that number to be reduced to $55/h between wages &
the value of pensions, health care, and whatever other perks
and benefits the CAW receives.

I could be wrong, but I think (in Canada...in Ontario) that the
dollar figure for the Toyota & Honda employees is about $44/h
on average between wages & other perks like health care,
pension, etc...so Chrysler is not even asking the CAW to match
what other auto workers are getting, but to come to within 125%
of the competition. Is that really that unreasonable? 8O

I could be wrong, but I think (in Canada...in Ontario) that the
dollar figure for the Toyota & Honda employees is about $44/h
on average between wages & other perks like health care,
pension


Those figures are right. What would be comical is if Toyaota/Honda workers "demanded" the same ridiculous wage that Chrysler employees get.

 

[Tyr]

that's a good point. If Nortel went to the gov't and tried to hold them hostage with the threat of going under, would the gov't help out?

Tyr, I think Nortel filed for bankruptcy just recently.

that's a good point. If Nortel went to the gov't and tried to hold them hostage with the threat of going under, would the gov't help out? We've already seen that they won't

I know. See the whole quote

 

[petros]

We've already seen that they won't and Nortel is a Canadian company, not an American subsidiary

Give Chrysler an ultimatum. Merge with another manufacturer in the next three months, THEN we'll give you some interim financing

Chrysler isn't American as they were already bought by and merged into Daimler Chrysler. The taxpayer is being robbed blind by Wall and Bay streets.

This bullshi t has to stop but that is unlikely since the majority of taxpayers are clueless as what is going on around them.

It's time to start taxing the crap out of the corporations and the rich. Taxpayers had absolutely nothing to do with the riduculous debt these companies have created but our children's children will be paying for a 75 year debt for absolutely NOTHING in return.

I say open the door and give them the heave ho. We don't need their crappy products and their leaving would on boost the other automakers easing the burden on the taxpayer and consumer. The fact that autos aren't well made making the consumer buy more often is what has kept these shyster afloat since the 80's.

The lost jobs angle is pure BS too. Everytime there is a technology change there are mass layoff offset by mass hiring in new industies.

It would be a far better to invest in transit systems than the auto industry when autos are going the ay of the horse and carriage.

 

[TenPenny]

that's a good point. If Nortel went to the gov't and tried to hold them hostage with the threat of going under, would the gov't help out? We've already seen that they won't and Nortel is a Canadian company, not an American subsidiary

Give Chrysler an ultimatum. Merge with another manufacturer in the next three months, THEN we'll give you some interim financing

Chrysler tried that, and Daimler gave up on them.

If Nortel threatened to go under, everyone would yawn, and point out that they've been doing that for about 5 years now.

 

[Tyr]

Sell Chrysler to the makers of "Hot Wheels" or "Matchbox" toy cars

 

[petros]

Why doesn't Chrysler sell stocks to raise money?

 

[lone wolf]

Inco and Falconbridge were Canadian too - until three years ago when the Phelps-Dodge (of Phoenix Arizona) deal for both fell through. CVRD took Inco to Brazil and Xstrata took Falconbridge to Switzerland.

We need some restrictions placed....

 

[Tyr]

Why doesn't Chrysler sell stocks to raise money?

Would YOU buy chrysler stock right now? :lol:

 

[Tyr]

Inco and Falconbridge were Canadian too - until three years ago when the Phelps-Dodge (of Phoenix Arizona) deal for both fell through. CVRD took Inco to Brazil and Xstrata took Falconbridge to Switzerland.

Jaysus!!! Is there any Canadian Companies left other than those guys that make toques?:roll::roll:

 

[lone wolf]

Would YOU buy chrysler stock right now? :lol:

I wish I had ... in 1979

 

[#juan]

Forget the bailout. Offer Mercedes Benz and BMW a deal or Toyota or Nissan or Mazda or anyone who builds decent cars. Who needs Chrysler? Hell, I'd as soon have Hyundai.

 

[Spade]

Chrysler is bargaining with the UAW through its tough talk at the Commons Committee. That is incredibly bad form! Would you buy a Chrysler product now?

 

[Ron in Regina]

I bet China makes cars. They can come in with cheap cr@p that is
like Dollar Store products, at Dollar Store prices...like the Japanese
did in the '70's to gain market share...and then increase their quality
and price over the next decade or two. The Chinese can slide right
into the plants that Chrysler walks away from. :-|

Deja vu? 8O

I bet India makes cars. They can come in with cheap cr@p that is
like Dollar Store products, at Dollar Store prices...like the Japanese
did in the '70's to gain market share...and then increase their quality
and price over the next decade or two. The Indians can slide right
into the plants that Chrysler walks away from. :smile:

Deja vu? 8O

I bet Brazil makes cars. They can come in with cheap cr@p that is
like Dollar Store products, at Dollar Store prices...like the Japanese
did in the '70's to gain market share...and then increase their quality
and price over the next decade or two. The Brazilians can slide right
into the plants that Chrysler walks away from. :lol:

Deja vu? 8O

 

[Spade]

It was quality foreign imports that forced the NA manufactures to consider quality at home.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I don't think the early Datsuns and such out'a Japan into the
North American market where the Japanese "A" game, but
they improved quickly once they had a toe hold in the market
place. Now the Honda Civic and the Toyota Camry are two
of the highest quality made cars in North America.

 

[RanchHand]

I class this with the Obama threat that they won't be buying foreign steel. They like to poke unresponsive Canada since they do nothing in reaction, except to bow obediently.

To both:

Canada has a wealth of natural resources that we could restrict from selling. No
nickel, no steel. Chrysler, if you decide to make your cars elsewhere, same goes for you.

If that doesn't work:

1/cut off all tributaries to south flowing rivers, and divert to Canadian agriculture purposes irrigation etc. Or built more power dams to make use of the new bounty of water.
2/re-route hydro power from the manic watersheds, and give it to Canadians at cut rate instead of giving it now to the US at almost free rates.
3/sell nuclear technology to N Korea.
4/open up arms trade with Russia, lower Northern defense systems NORAD. (better the enemy you always knew than the one who likes to stab you in the back.)
5/ build up a arms industry in Canada. Put people back in the factories and make money so they can buy new japanese and european cars. We made the mistake of dropping the all Canadian made Avro Arrow for the sake of the US who reqtested we do so. Best up to date fighter of it's time, and the US knows it. We were the best at ship building too, we can go back to it.
6/ pull out of the clean air group and start our own manufacturing of cars.

Many more.

Time for Canadians to realize they are a sleeping lion, so 'cmon folks send in
your complaints to your reps. Chrysler, see if you can make cars in the US without
natural resources. (Friends, you know why Chrysler is muscle flexing?, because all along even before the hypocratic Obama visit, the plan was to build more Chryslers in the US at the expense of Canadian jobs. As if it wasn't so obvious).

Andy

All brilliant ideas. Some might result in your country being slighly nuked by the US but hey, what the heck.

"Time for Canadians to realize they are a sleeping lion".
Checked your military preparedness lately or you public's sentiment on all things military (except for your long standing tradition of harboring draft dodgers).
More like the sleeping lion in the field of flowers in the Wizard of Oz.