Scientists searching for brain's 'God spot' find belief circuits

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Scientists searching for brain's 'God spot' find belief circuits

A study involving practising Christians, Muslims and Jews found that some areas of the cortex "light up" in response to religious statements.

Scans carried out on volunteers as they processed a series of remarks about God showed how areas of the brain which evolved more recently and not present in other animals were often more heavily involved – suggesting that faith is uniquely human.

"We're interested to find where in the brain belief systems are represented, particularly those that appear uniquely human," said Prof Jordan Grafman of the US National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke in Bethesda, Maryland, who led the research.

The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, undermined the idea that a single area of the brain – nicknamed the God spot – controlled religious belief.

Instead, the scientists found that several different pieces of cerebral circuitry are used to process different aspects of religion.

A group of 40 volunteers, drawn from the main monotheistic religions, were asked to listen to a series of statements about God and asked to say whether they agreed or disagreed while having their brain scanned.

When statements about God being involved in the world were read, the lateral frontal lobe areas – one of the part of the brain which enables us to empathise with other people – were engaged.

But when it came to comments such as "God is wrathful", activity was centred on the medial temporal and frontal gyri.

And when more abstract or doctrinal questions were raised, it was the right inferior temporal gyrus – the circuitry which helps us understand metaphor – which was most engaged.

"Our results are unique in demonstrating that specific components of religious belief are mediated by well-known brain networks, and support contemporary psychological theories that ground religious belief within evolutionary adaptive cognitive functions," said Prof Grafman.

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So now I can tell religious people "it's all in your head." :lol:
 

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My circuits worked just fine not so long ago but then through a long chain of events culminating with Dexter introducing me to reason and logic fallacies I've managed to switch them off or redirect them. I don't understand it much but the religion and wish thinking part of my mind is just gone. I suspect learning how to think, systematize my thoughts and sort them according to merit has shut down the "god spot." I literally just woke up.

This is why I don't mind posting endlessly to religious people. I know firsthand that they can hear a message 100 times but it might be the 101 time that takes and they hear it. Being religious is like living in a fog. It's really awful but you don't know it until you leave. I know some people feel the opposite, that is, that somehow religion saved them from a fog but it has been my observation such people don't know how to think very well anyway and they probably are better served by any structure including religion then relying on their own inclinations.

It's so strange but I am actually having difficulty relating to religious people now. My family for example thinks I've been replaced with an alien copy. The only person who really understands is my daughter but then she has been through the journey with me.
 

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So, religion is a neurological disorder. That does put a whole new spin on this debate.

The whole goal of religion is to usurp reason and replace it with faith.

I think calling it a disorder is exactly right.
 

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Scott Free, maybe our belief circuits (yours and mine) are fried due to some reason, that is why we don't believe.

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Read what parts of the brain were involved – Empathy and metaphor –
Perhaps you are just ill and do not realize that parts of you brain are not working correctly, like empathy – HHMMMM –
 

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I'll admit my empathy region might be broken but then again why would I want to empathize with imaginary creatures like god.
 

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Read what parts of the brain were involved – Empathy and metaphor –

I don’t know goober, my experience has been that Atheists are more empathetic than the devoutly religious. Atheists support policies which help the minorities such as blacks, feminists, gays etc.

Thus Atheists by and large support gay marriage, devoutly religious are opposed to it. Indeed, the more religious a person, the more likely he is opposed to gay marriage.

Same thing with abortion, contraception, welfare for the poor etc. Atheists support these issues devoutly religious don’t (e.g. when it comes to welfare, they think that welfare should be left to Churches, government should get out of welfare, it is not the government’s job to help the poor, but the church’s job).

So it has been my experience that Atheist are more empathetic, more compassionate than Fundamentalists (At least they support the policies which help the poor and disadvantaged).
 

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Scientists searching for brain's 'God spot' find belief circuits

A study involving practising Christians, Muslims and Jews found that some areas of the cortex "light up" in response to religious statements.

Scans carried out on volunteers as they processed a series of remarks about God showed how areas of the brain which evolved more recently and not present in other animals were often more heavily involved – suggesting that faith is uniquely human.

"We're interested to find where in the brain belief systems are represented, particularly those that appear uniquely human," said Prof Jordan Grafman of the US National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke in Bethesda, Maryland, who led the research.

The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, undermined the idea that a single area of the brain – nicknamed the God spot – controlled religious belief.

Instead, the scientists found that several different pieces of cerebral circuitry are used to process different aspects of religion.

A group of 40 volunteers, drawn from the main monotheistic religions, were asked to listen to a series of statements about God and asked to say whether they agreed or disagreed while having their brain scanned.

When statements about God being involved in the world were read, the lateral frontal lobe areas – one of the part of the brain which enables us to empathise with other people – were engaged.

But when it came to comments such as "God is wrathful", activity was centred on the medial temporal and frontal gyri.

And when more abstract or doctrinal questions were raised, it was the right inferior temporal gyrus – the circuitry which helps us understand metaphor – which was most engaged.

"Our results are unique in demonstrating that specific components of religious belief are mediated by well-known brain networks, and support contemporary psychological theories that ground religious belief within evolutionary adaptive cognitive functions," said Prof Grafman.

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So now I can tell religious people "it's all in your head." :lol:

A study involving practising Christians, Muslims and Jews found that some areas of the cortex "light up" in response to religious statements

Is there also an indication that certain areas die from repeated abuse?
 

Dexter Sinister

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A study involving practising Christians, Muslims and Jews found that some areas of the cortex "light up" in response to religious statements

Is there also an indication that certain areas die from repeated abuse?
That was one of my thoughts too. I'd also like to see the same study done with a control group of atheists, see if the same areas of their brains light up in response to religious statements (I'd bet that they do, but less strongly) and if any different areas light up (I'd also bet that they do), and all groups tested with a set of control statements we might reasonably expect to be equally emotive but with no obvious religious content, like things about relationships and children and family.

Interestingly, on the page the OP linked to there's another link to a story about the human capacity for self-delusion, which I've long thought is the essential nature of religious belief.
 

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...through a long chain of events culminating with Dexter introducing me to reason and logic fallacies...
Is that praise or blame? :lol: Really though Scott, don't give me too much credit. I'm gratified to be credited as the catalyst, but I'm sure you'd have got there eventually anyway. If I hadn't shown you that door somebody else would have, there are lots of smart people here, or you'd have found it yourself. You were obviously looking for it and were in the right frame of mind to open it and understand what you found. The credit really belongs to you, and always will. Nobody can change your mind for you, you have to do it.
 

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Is that praise or blame? :lol: Really though Scott, don't give me too much credit. I'm gratified to be credited as the catalyst, but I'm sure you'd have got there eventually anyway. If I hadn't shown you that door somebody else would have, there are lots of smart people here, or you'd have found it yourself. You were obviously looking for it and were in the right frame of mind to open it and understand what you found. The credit really belongs to you, and always will. Nobody can change your mind for you, you have to do it.

Maybe, but you framed the information in the proper context where I could apply it to my case; in other words, that there is a culture of reason, if you will, that I had never run into. I posted somewhere that religious believers think critical thinkers choose to disbelieve and that they could just as easily choose to believe. They don't realize that you can only choose to believe, that the rigours of evidence and reason destroy the delusion of choice. No longer can you pick this or that; it is simply a case of this or that. Some religious people and wish thinkers even believe that what you choose can determine reality. I was one of those. So that I might have run into logic and fallacies is a possibility, no doubt, but that I would have understood the culture of it is more doubtful IMO. So though I agree that only I can change my mind I appreciate you giving me the tools to do it.