God is known to God

[Arabi]

But it seems some one is trying to run away from the obvious facts that such so complicated systematic universe, full of rules & formulas could be recognized with out creator, but once, sombody denies our production, we argue to prove that " I'm the one who made it ! "

 

[china]

If the above letter is addressed to me Please explain what you mean.

 

[Arabi]

If you can't see me, but you do find someone behind these written words implicating there is some writer. Then, how you may adjudicate there is no creator for this stupendous & complicated universe, full of rules & formulas ?!!

 

[Cliffy]

But it seems some one is trying to run away from the obvious facts that such so complicated systematic universe, full of rules & formulas could be recognized with out creator, but once, sombody denies our production, we argue to prove that " I'm the one who made it ! "

Perhaps something created the Universe but when you understand your insignificance, your minuscule, tiny presence within such a vast, infinite creation, how can you believe that the creator gives a rat's ass what you think, believe or do? How come such an omnipotent creator of such a vast universe is so insecure that it requires you to bow down and kiss its ass every day? That is just a bunch of power hungry priests and mullahs trying to control you with fear. If you believe them, you are truly a sucker for punishment.

 

[Arabi]

And this is the edge of arguments, when the logic language faces unrepliable, then vituperation starts.
Ayhow, Thank you for chatting here for some time.
bye !

 

[china]

Arabi,

Then, how you may adjudicate there is no creator for this stupendous & complicated universe, full of rules & formulas ?!

I have never stated i this forum that that there is no creator ,what is , Truth .
What I have bin saying is ,"God" is a product of our mind ,our imagination and that is not the Thing , right ?
!

 

[Arabi]

You are right, but when we try to imagine him, and then it is our imagination. But let's to know him as introduced by Himself through the Prophet descriptions.
Definitly, our both intentions is to increase our knowings.
Therefore, please let's to be patient to understand each other more !

 

[china]

AArabi,

But let's to know him as introduced by Himself through the Prophet descriptions

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There is no intermediary between you and the Truth ;there can't be Arabi ,think it out out .Any how it is midnight in China and I,m going to sleep . Good Night.

 

[Arabi]

Have a good night, but please be patient to hear each other !
Hope to see you later again.

 

[Tyr]

The unicorn can only be seen by the pure of heart!
Legends

So too for Griffins, Leprachauns and the Minotaur

 

[talloola]

If you can't see me, but you do find someone behind these written words implicating there is some writer. Then, how you may adjudicate there is no creator for this stupendous & complicated universe, full of rules & formulas ?!!

But you are actually there, if needed, one could go to where you are
and 'see' you, that can never happen with a god, has not happened to this
point, only by those who spin yarns.
The human imagination is a powerful thing, and can create an imaginary reality
within the thought process, which takes on a power of its own, but it is only the
human mind, hard at work.

 

[Arabi]

you are right but there is some delicate point. There are many things which are not visible because they are cognate with us; they are not same substance as we are like the electricity in the cables, electromagnetic power, ... but we recognize their trace of existance from the impressions they have, and we may use them through devices & instruments.
God is not a substance so that we can see him, but He is a verity of Power, Knowlwdge, existance and whatsoever of the excellency is a trace of Him. That's why He said : "I was a secret Treasure, and liked to be known; then I created ( the human)."
It's very easy to open our hear t to Him and ask him to introduce Himself to us and guide us to know Him.
Not meaning to try to define or describe him by our imaginations which will be consequently of course the product of our thoughts and imaginations that is not the real God.

 

[Arabi]

sorry, "They are not cognate with us" is correct.

 

[talloola]

you are right but there is some delicate point. There are many things which are not visible because they are cognate with us; they are not same substance as we are like the electricity in the cables, electromagnetic power, ... but we recognize their trace of existance from the impressions they have, and we may use them through devices & instruments.
God is not a substance so that we can see him, but He is a verity of Power, Knowlwdge, existance and whatsoever of the excellency is a trace of Him. That's why He said : "I was a secret Treasure, and liked to be known; then I created ( the human)."
It's very easy to open our hear t to Him and ask him to introduce Himself to us and guide us to know Him.
Not meaning to try to define or describe him by our imaginations which will be consequently of course the product of our thoughts and imaginations that is not the real God.

I have a good heart, and have opened my heart to others, and situations in my
life, but never to an imaginary invention, such as any god, I would not be
proud of myself if I did.
One must be true to oneself.

 

[L Gilbert]

..............Hence, the existence of God is not similar to the existence of the worldly items. Since the existence of worldly items, which requires prior knowledge of the item, is absent in the case of God, God can be said as an item not having the existence of worldly items and hence God is non-existent (Asat) in this sense. This does not mean that God is really non-existent because God really exists as per Veda (Astityeva….) and hence God exists (Sat).

Gods exist but are non-existent. oh, that's profound.......... as much as any other theistic doubletalk.

 

[L Gilbert]

People invent the concept of gods & other such things to have some culprit they can accuse responsible for things they can't explain. It's as simple as that.
"Oh, look!! That light just set that tree on fire. It must have been a sign from Zeus.":roll:

 

[Arabi]

Of course I'm talking of monotheism, not polytheism which is of course made of imaginations & doubletalks.

 

[Arabi]

And there is a very valuable saying from Ali (the first Islam Leader): The people make enemity to what they don't know.

 

[Arabi]

and more :
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[Arabi]

and more :
- Ignorance is death.
- Ignorance is pernicious enemy.
- Ignorance slides the steps.
- Ignorance is the germ of any wrongdoing.
- the outrance for an ignorant is <to be happy with his ignorance>