God is known to God

[dattaswami]

This inert energy is the material cause of this creation

This inert energy is the material cause of this creation


(This inert energy remaining in deep sleep called as Aatman can be called as Brahman because this inert energy is the material cause of this creation. It is called as mula prakruti. Since, matter is also its form only, the body is also inert energy and thus basically continuous homogeneity is achieved as it is this entire creation).
The inert energy limited to the body is called as Aatman. Even the body or matter is basically inert energy and hence there is no discontinuity of the inert energy. Even the space is inert energy. In this way the homogeneous Brahman is the result. This greatest inert energy can be called as Brahman or Mula prakruti. Since, the body cannot limit the inert energy in basic sense, Aatman is simultaneously Brahman. This entire creation is generated from this mula prakruti, which is called as Brahman (Kaarya Brahman).

 

[dattaswami]

Matter is an illusion created by the work of resistance of force in atoms

Matter is an illusion created by the work of resistance of force in atoms
Matter is a form of work like the awareness
(If you say that even the matter is an illusion created by the work of resistance of force in atoms, it is negated, due to experience of entity).
In atoms lot of space exists as per science. In fact, the solid matter consisting of packed atoms is only full of vacuum and hence the experience of solid state of matter should be the experience of the vacuum only. But the experience of solid state is quite different. When you put the finger, actually the finger should penetrate in to the solid state due to lot of vacuum existing in the closely packed atoms. But the finger does not penetrate into the solid state, which is quite opposite experience. The reason for the non penetration of finger is not due to absence of vacuum in the atoms. The highly revolving subatomic particles in the atoms create resistance-force, which does not allow the finger to penetrate in to the vacuum. Due to this an illusion is created to the observer, so that the observer thinks that there is no vacuum at all in the solid state. Hence, the solid state of matter is the effect of the work of resistance only. Now, this concludes that even the matter is a form of work like the awareness. In such case the matter should not be an entity or working element like the awareness. All this is the argument of opposition to establish awareness also as an entity like matter or to establish matter also as work or non entity like awareness.
The answer for this opposing argument is given like this: Even though the solid matter is the form of work of force or inert energy like the awareness, the result of the illusion created by such work is ending in experiencing the matter as an entity. Such experience of entity is not the result in the case of awareness even though awareness is also a form of work like solid matter. Hence, due to the difference between the experience of awareness and solid matter in the end, you cannot treat awareness as an entity like solid matter. Hence, the opposition is negated.

 

[dattaswami]

Even the primordial energy is a form of work only

Even the primordial energy is a form of work only
(Even the primordial energy is a form of work only and its experience as inert energy is illusion, but, this illusion is restricted to the absolute plane).
We have proved that the matter is also a form of work and its experience as matter is illusion. Similarly, the inert energy, which is in the primary causal form as primordial energy is also a form of work only and its experience as energy is also illusion. But this illusion cannot be taken to be in the relative world, which is the experience of the human beings. Only in the absolute plane, which means the view of God, this primordial energy is treated as a form of work and an illusion. Here you must differentiate the case of matter from the case of primordial energy. In the case of matter, the illusion of the experience of solid state is due to the work of primordial energy. Thus, the worker is known in the case of matter in the relative plane itself. But if you take the case of primordial energy, it is realized as work but the worker is not realized in the relative plane because the primordial energy itself is the ultimate worker in the relative world. Hence, the worker of primordial energy can be only realized in the absolute plane and never in the relative plane. Hence, you cannot completely declare the primordial energy as an illusion since the worker of primordial energy is never realized in the relative plane. The worker of the primordial energy being realized as work is God Himself and since God cannot be realized in the relative plane, you cannot cross the illusion of primordial energy. Only God can cross this ultimate illusion of the primordial energy or Mula prakruti or Mula maya.

 

[dattaswami]

The creation is a work without object

The creation is a work without object
(The creation is a work without object and hence is called as the dance of God Shiva).
There are two types of works. One is objectless work (Akarmakakriyaa) and the other is work with object (Sakarmakakriyaa). Rama killed Ravana. In this statement the verb is with object. The verb is the work of killing and the object is Ravana. Rama walks. In this statement the verb is the work of walking, which has no object. Now in the absolute plane, even the primordial energy, which is the ultimate cause of the creation, is proved to be a form of work only. Hence, the entire creation, which is only the different modified forms of primordial energy, becomes work only. Now, this work of creation has no object because the entire creation consisting of all objects has become work. There is no object or entity leftover, which is not work. But remember, this state is the absolute plane and not the relative plane in which we are experiencing certain forms of work as objects and certain other forms of work as work only. Therefore, in the absolute plane, no object is leftover and hence the entire creation becomes the work without object. When we say that somebody is dancing, the work of dancing is without object. Therefore, this entire creation is stated to be the dance of God Shiva.

 

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[dattaswami]

Unity in all the religions of world for peace

Unity in all the religions of world for peace


God is unimaginable and - cannot be served directly.
There is no other way than – to serve mediated God.
Buddha is also misunderstood – as an atheist by followers.
Buddha kept silent about God, – silence means unimaginable.
Silence does not mean that – God is non-existent, Veda says
That words cannot touch God, – only silence indicates God.
Shankara says that God is best – explained through silence.
All religions can be correlated, – since there is one God only.

The concept of one God – should be proved first of all.
Then only correlation of – the scriptures of all religions.
Without the basic establishment – of the point of one God,
If you correlate scriptures, – correlation may be coincidence, since
Some times unity may exist – in speeches of different speakers.
This will not bring unity in – all the religions of world for peace.

If one God is proved first, - all religions must be united subsequently.
Shankara united sub-religions – in Hinduism and brought peace.
Hinduism in those days was – like the present fighting religions.
Shiva, Vishnu, Ganapati, Shakti – Skanda and Surya were Gods.
Their followers were fighting – like the present religious followers.
Yesterday-Hinduism represents – today-Universal Religions.
Today-Hinduism represents – tomorrow-united religions.
Shankara brought unity in Hinduism – similarly Datta will bring
Unity of Universal Religions – through analytical arguments.

God stressed certain aspects – especially in various religions.
Pickup those central diamonds – and prepare a garland with them.
That will be our Universal Spirituality – for the peace of world.
Hinduism is famous for unity – in diversity of various aspects.
Christianity is famous for kindness – even for sinners to uplift.
Islam stands for sincerity and – strict discipline towards God.
Buddhism is for controlling desire – in the service to society.





Jainism is for kindness to – all living beings in this world.
Similarly you can pick up – gems from various other religions.
Science is also a religion – to analyze non-God items of world.
Shankara united various – branches of single religion, Hinduism.
Then India stood as spiritual guide – for all Indians themselves.
Today all religions of world exist – in India, Datta unites them.
Now let India stand as spiritual guide – for all religions in world
To unite all citizens of the world – to achieve world peace.

 

[dattaswami]

Defects and merits of Christianity , Hinduism, Islam

Defects and merits of Christianity , Hinduism, Islam

Hinduism has two defects. The first is that all the rituals are not conducted in the mother tongue. The rituals involve hymns in Sanskrit. In the ancient days, Sanskrit was the mother tongue of the sages. They understood the meaning of the rituals and were very much interested in God. Every ritual explains about God only directly are indirectly. Today the rituals are like the dead bodies without life. Their real aim and purpose is lost. Not even a trace of devotion is developed through any ritual. At least the priest should translate the hymns and should create interest in the ritual. If you observe the other religions, this defect does not exist because all their rituals are performed in their mother tongue.

This is the reason for the sincere devotion in Christianity and Islam. Added to this, like Ghee for fire, the concept of only one present human birth in the other religions has developed tremendous interest in God due to fear. In Hinduism the belief of several future human births brought lenience towards spiritual field. If you allow the candidate to pass the examinations in several attempts, no serious view can be developed. If you say that one has to pass the examination in single attempt, the education system will be perfect. Observing the other religions must rectify these two defects.

Christianity and Islam have their own defects. They should also rectify their defects by observing Hinduism. Selfishness, pathetic scenes and fear develop their belief in God. If you want to develop interest in God by saying that Jesus suffered for your sins and by showing the pathetic scene of crucifixion, it is not real and pure love. When you get interest in Jesus since He suffered for your sins, your love to Him is only based on selfishness. Your love to Jesus should be based on His divine personality and knowledge without any trace of selfishness. Similarly, these two religions try to create fear in the minds of human beings by mentioning the permanent hell. Fear should not be the basis for the love to God. The love should be spontaneous and without any selfishness in a free atmosphere. The reason for this deficiency in the foreign religions is due to absence of metaphysics in the scriptures.

Those scriptures mainly deal with the development of proper human behavior to balance the society. Such scriptures are mainly dealing with ethics only and not with the philosophy of God like the nature of God, path to please God etc. The analytical development in the spiritual knowledge is not much in these scriptures. They have confined God to the path of Pravrutti only and God is simply an administrator bound by His own rules. He is just a judge to deliver the judgment and a jailer who jails the sinners. He is just a mechanical examiner without any freedom or love to devotees. He cannot go beyond the rules of justice. Of course, all this is good for the initial development of the human beings.

Mere happy life in a society is not sufficient because such life is not eternal. The life after death should be also analyzed. Mere judicial procedure is not the ultimate of God. The love towards God, the sacrifice for the sake of God, the concept of contemporary human incarnation for the sake of most beloved devotees etc., are points of higher importance than mere limitation to the petty family only. The view is at the best generalized to the service to the society. Society is only a large family of your colleague souls only. God is beyond society. You must transit from the service to family to the service to the society and finally to the service to God. These three are the subsequent steps in ascending order. The foreign religions are mainly confining to the first two steps only and not to the third step. In the name of the third step they are only staying in the second step (social service) only.

The basis for this deficiency is lack of the concept of contemporary human incarnation. They criticize the idol worship of Hinduism. But they are doing the same in another form in their churches and Mosques. The exploitation of the devotees by priests is common to their religions also because the concept of the contemporary human incarnation is completely eradicated from the root in these religions because the selfish priests do not allow this. The same thing happened in the case of Holy Jesus. Hence, Holy Mohammad did not allow this concept for the fear of such horrible jealousy towards the contemporary human incarnation.

In Hinduism also the selfish priests oppose the contemporary human incarnation. However in Hinduism, this concept is at least partially alive since Gita says that God will come again and again (Yada Yada hi…) and that God will come in human form (Manusheem tanumashritam…).

 

[dattaswami]

All the religions in the world are the feathers of the same bird

All the religions in the world are the feathers of the same bird


All the religions in the world are the feathers of the same bird i.e., God with different colours. There is only one God and there is only one universe. Similarly the man is also only one. Man should aim that one God and he should belong to all the religions in the universe. He should pick up the diamonds from all the religions and use in his spiritual path. One can have love towards the nationality. Every nation has some physical boundaries. The people who are living in that nation have that nationality. Thus there is a meaning in the nationality because it has physical sense. But in the case of religion and spiritualism there is no physical sense.

Every religion belongs to every man. Therefore in religious and spiritual matters all the religions can be used. The human incarnation in every religion announces that He is the universal preacher. The message of Lord Krishna i.e., Bhagavat Gita is for the entire world. The message of Jesus i.e., Bible is for the entire world. The message of Mohammed is for the entire world. So there is no need of conversion of religions. Just like in science the invention of Einstein is useful for the whole world, every religious preaching is for everybody. Different scientists belonging to different countries have discovered different scientific inventions. The subject science contains all these inventions. If any invention is removed the science become discontinuous. Similarly the spiritualism consists of the preaching of the preachers belonging to various countries. The spiritualism must be built up by the preaching of Lord Krishna, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Mahavir etc. Spiritualism means truth like science. Different religions are following their preachers and they have taken the essence of their scriptures into the practice. Such traditional practices are like different experimental parts of Science. The scriptures of different religions are like the different theories in various chapters of science. In science the student does not distinguish the scientist based on his nationality. Similarly in spiritualism one should not have repulsion or attraction to any scripture or tradition in the World.

The spiritualism requires divine virtues, which are emphasized in various religions. The firm faith of Islam, the infinite love of Christianity, the tolerance towards other religions of Hinduism, the social service of Bhuddhism and the non violence of Jainism are important virtues of the spiritualism. These are the practical traditional aspects of various religions, which are more precious than those scriptures. Tradition is the most important essence of the scripture.

One must praise the firm faith of a Muslim on God associated with strict regularity and discipline. People are worshipping God either in the leisure time or on a holiday. But a Muslim worships God on every day whether it is a holiday or not. He worships God regularly at some intervals of time whether it is leisure or working time. The faith on God and the importance to God supercedes everything and every activity. This aspect is a page in the book of spiritualism.

Another page in the book of spiritualism is a tradition of Christianity, which is the infinite love. Bible says “revenge is mine”. The Christians love even their enemies proving that love is infinite. Love is God. God is infinite and so Love is infinite. Such infinite love can only attract the God. The proof of love is sacrifice in service. Christians sacrifice lot of their money for the spiritual works. Their love is so unlimited that they sacrifice money even to the spiritual centers of other religions. Even if some religion is opposing their religion they fund the other religion and this shows their love even to enemies. Their love in the family bonds is very weak. So the love is stored in their hearts without flowing. This concentrated love in the heart flows entirely towards God and so they sacrifice lot of their earnings for the work of God. They do not store the wealth for their children, and they ask their children to earn and live after certain age.

Hinduism should be another page. The house of every Hindu contains photos of different forms of God. At the same time they find only one God (Para Brahma) in all those forms of God. They treat the different forms of God as the different dresses of the same actor. This indicates that there is only one God for the entire world and Lord Krishna, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, and Mahavir are only the different dresses of the same God. This brings the brotherly hood of all the human beings in the entire world.


Another page must be Buddhism. Buddha kept silent on God because Veda says that God is beyond even imagination. His silence is misunderstood as atheism. He concentrated on the society, which is entire universe. All the human beings in this universe must be uplifted through right knowledge. Buddha means knowledge. Any incarnation of God does the same work.

Jainism is another page. They do not kill any living being. The highest justice (Dharma) is non-violence (Ahimsa). God has given life to any living being. What right you have to kill and eat it? You can kill even a human being if he disturbs the peace and justice of a human society. Lord killed evil people in that way. But to kill a living being which does not harm you in any way is the highest sin. God has given sufficient vegetarian food to all the living beings. Science proves today that non-vegetarian food is not good for health.

Similarly there are precious traditions of other religions which should be copied on different pages of the book of spiritualism. It should be just like a book of science. Spiritualism is the most important practical line to achieve the grace of the God. As the Science is the universal subject, spiritualism must also be the universal subject. The nations may have physical boundaries but the spiritualism is the single ocean in which all the religions mix like rivers. Every human being in this world must enter this ocean through a river and settle there as a sea fish. The man should not stop the journey while he is in the river. He should follow the journey of the river up to the end where he can find the sea with unlimited boundaries. The man is not moving along with his religion and is becoming stagnant as a river fish only.

 

[Scott Free]

Gee, more ambiguous word salad, China did you figure out how to multinick?

 

[china]

Scott Free Gee, more ambiguous word salad, China did you figure out how to multinick? _____________________________________________________________________ God is not the word, the word is not the thing. To know that which is immeasurable, which is not of time, the mind must be free of time, which means the mind must be free from all thought, from all ideas about God. What do you know about God or truth? You do not really know anything about that reality. All that you know are words, the experiences of others or some moments of rather vague experience of your own. Surely that is not God, that is not reality, that is not beyond the field of time. To know that which is beyond time, the process of time must be understood, time being thought, the process of becoming, the accumulation of knowledge. That is the whole background of the mind; the mind itself is the background, both the conscious and the unconscious, the collective and the individual. So the mind must be free of the known, which means the mind must be completely silent, not made silent. The mind that achieves silence as a result, as the outcome of determined action, of practice, of discipline, is not a silent mind. The mind that is forced, controlled, shaped, put into a frame and kept quiet, is not a still mind. You may succeed for a period of time in forcing the mind to be superficially silent, but such a mind is not a still mind. Stillness comes only when you understand the whole process of thought, because to understand the process is to end it and the ending of the process of thought is the beginning of silence. Only when the mind is completely silent not only on the upper level but fundamentally, right through, on both the superficial and the deeper levels of consciousness – only then can the unknown come into being. The unknown is not something to be experienced by the mind; silence alone can be experienced, nothing but silence. If the mind experiences anything but silence, it is merely projecting its own desires and such a mind is not silent; so long as the mind is not silent, so long as thought in any form, conscious or unconscious, is in movement, there can be no silence. Silence is freedom from the past, from knowledge, from both conscious and unconscious memory; when the mind is completely silent, not in use, when there is the silence which is not a product of effort, then only does the timeless, the eternal come into being. That state is not a state of remembering – there is no entity that remembers, that experiences. Therefore God or truth or what you will is a thing that comes into being from moment to moment, and it happens only in a state of freedom and spontaneity, not when the mind is disciplined according to a pattern. God is not a thing of the mind, it does not come through self-projection, it comes only when there is virtue, which is freedom. Virtue is facing the fact of what is and the facing of the fact is a state of bliss. Only when the mind is blissful, quiet, without any movement of its own, without the projection of thought, conscious or unconscious – only then does the eternal come into being.Though don't take my word .

 

[Scott Free]

"If scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims."

- The Dalai Lama, The Universe in a Single Atom

 

[Cliffy]

The infinite is incomprehensible to the finite mind. Discourses on god are a waste of time. Spending your life trying to figure out what god expects of you is a wasted life. Do yourself a favour. Go out and get drunk and laid and forget all that religious crap.

Thinking of god, worshiping god are nothing but mental masturbation. You would accomplish more by pulling you pud.

 

[china]

Hi Cliffy ,
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The infinite is incomprehensible to the finite mind.

Obvious,isn't it.The rest of it is also very obvious ; and you are so close to it , don't give up .

Known can only know known.

 

[Cliffy]

Hi Cliffy ,
[QUOTObvious,isn't it.The rest of it is also very obvious ; and you are so close to it , don't give up .

Known can only know known.

Hi China,

You know what is really weird? When I read your posts I hear the voice of the short bald guy on Seinfeld in my head. And I rarely watch TV or Seinfeld. Strange! Meaningless but strange.

Must be around noon over your way, eh? It's 1:20 am here. Have a great day!

 

[china]

You know what is really weird? When I read your posts I hear the voice of the short bald guy on Seinfeld in my head. And I rarely watch TV or Seinfeld. Strange! Meaningless but strange

I know what you mean Cliffy ;it all starts with hearing voices .I suggest that you stop reading my posts .
It's Feb 4th ,2009 ,1848h , all's fine Cliffy, be great .

 

[Arabi]

God has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The beginning and the end of the cosmic energy or space or the creation are also unimaginable. Therefore, the beginning and the end are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God and also for the imaginable item like space. Therefore, the two points, which are the beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in understanding the real nature of God. If you start recognizing the God by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may think that God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the creation. In fact based on these two characteristics people have imagined God as an imaginable item like space or energy or creation. This concept has misled people to such a low level that people think that God is the very infinite space or infinite energy or infinite creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at this juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no end because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are also unimaginable.

Such God desired to create this Universe for entertainment. The very desire itself is the Creation. In view of God this present materialized universe in only an idea or imagination or the very desire itself. Therefore, the desire to create the world is itself the desire and also the created world itself is a desire. Thus the creation, maintenance and dissolution of the imaginary world are also imaginations or desires. A part of this infinite creation is the individual soul. The soul is like a drop of the infinite ocean of imagination or desire of God. Thus, quantitatively the entire ocean of imagination of God is very huge compared to the tiny soul. Remember that both the Universe and the tiny soul are made of the same substance called as imagination or desire. Thus the force of the Universe is far greater than the force of the soul. Due to such huge quantitative difference of the same phase, the Universe, which is far stronger than the soul appears as a materialized entity for the soul. But this infinite ocean of desire, which is the infinite Universe is a tiny drop compared to the infinite force of God. Therefore, again due to the same quantitative difference of force the entire universe is just the very weak imagination from the view of God. Thus imagination and materialization exist simultaneously true from the point of God and soul.

God said to his prophet Mohammad , " I was a secret treasuer liked to be known, then I created "
The treasure, not discovered , will remain worthless under the soil, same as soil value, but will be treasure when discovered by the Man and its worth could be used then.

 

[Spade]

The unicorn can only be seen by the pure of heart!
Legends

 

[china]

God is an unknown .The moment it becomes "known", it stops being God .

 

[Arabi]

sorry, my english is not so good to understand you fully.
I couldn't understand what you ment !

 

[china]

Hi Arabi ,When you think about God, you think about what is known, and the known is in the net of time. The real can only come into being when the mind ceases to create, when the mind is still. This stillness is not a product of compulsion, discipline, or self-hypnosis. There is silence only when all problems have ceased So, the mind becomes quiet when the agitator, the thinker, ceases. For the thinker to come to an end, all thoughts which he manufactures must be thought out. It is vain to erect a barrier against thought. Every thought must be felt out and understood. When the mind is still, the reality, the indescribable, comes into being. You cannot invite it. To invite it is to know it, and what is known is not the real. The mind must be simple, unburdened of ideas and belief. For reality to come into being, do not seek it, but understand the causes that agitate the mind and heart. When the creator of problems ceases, then there is tranquility. In that tranquility, the blessing of the real comes ,the unknown .