The Improbability of God

[petros]

Wanna know what 666 is? It's the point of latitude 66.6 degrees where you compass no longer works and you are completely lost so all you can do is aim for the constellation Draco (serpent) and all is good.

 

[petros]

8O Do you mean like if you took a number from Scripture and 'did some things to it' a valid message could be arrived at?
say that 666 mentioned is the number of man. It is fulfilled when the population of the earth (saved and unsaved) reaches 6.66 Billion. Satan gets permission to kill 1/3, that is 2.22 Billion. All those deaths take place in 1110 days (42mo-5mo=37moX 30days/mo=1110days)meanong 2million/day
Now you have a guideline as to what tribulation looks like when Satan has the reigns.

Is that what you mean by 'numbers'?

Absolutely not. You are so far off it's not even funny.

 

[MHz]

Absolutely not. You are so far off it's not even funny.

Good. so what did you mean then?

 

[eanassir]

Which god is it you think I should believe in? Yours or eanassir's?

And what proof do you have that your god exists? And what proof do you have that eanassir's doesn't and what proof do you have that your god is better?

Scott Free, to be on the safe side, why not believe in both the Gods? And also be an Applist (one must cover all the bases).

I know the argument sounds stupid, but that is the argument that religious fanatics seriously make.

Their argument is ‘suppose I am wrong (this is the religious fanatic speaking) and there is no after life, I haven’t lost anything. But suppose you are wrong and there is an afterlife, you will be damned to eternal Hell forever.’

Sir Joseph, what's all this grandiosity (I mean in your avatar):smile:

You have to know that my God is the same Lord of all nations and worlds: the Creator, Who sent all the apostles to all nations. He is the same Allah in Arabic, Yahweh in Hebrew and God in English and He may be called by other names in other languages.

This is in the Quran 29: 46​

وَلَا تُجَادِلُوا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ إِلَّا بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِلَّا الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا مِنْهُمْ وَقُولُوا آمَنَّا بِالَّذِي أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَأُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ وَإِلَهُنَا وَإِلَهُكُمْ وَاحِدٌ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ​

The explanation:
(But [O believers,] dispute not [concerning the religion] with the People of the Bible [lit. Scripture: Jews and Christians] unless it be in [a way] that is better [than theirs],
except such of them as do wrong;
and say [to those among them who are not wrong-doers]:
"We believe in [the Quran] that has been revealed to us and [the Book: the Torah and the Gospel] revealed to you,
our God and your God is [the same] One,
and to Him we have surrendered [or submitted ourselves.]")​

quranandhebrewbible.t35.com ​

 

[MHz]

Wanna know what 666 is? It's the point of latitude 66.6 degrees where you compass no longer works and you are completely lost so all you can do is aim for the constellation Draco (serpent) and all is good.

Until you run out of fuel and die. Sooner or later the earth's rotation would turn you 180deg. Besides that would not be a man's number.

 

[MHz]

Which god is it you think I should believe in? Yours or eanassir's?

Think of it as a boxer, if the left doesn't get you the right one will.
In reality you might get there via the 3rd door which is called the grace of the Lord which is just by the skin of your teeth but in is in and anyway is better than not in. That would be the kick to the groin that gets you on one knee in record time.

 

[Spade]

In Reagan's former "Evil Empire," today is called "Resurrection" day. And so, to the other Sun/Son God...
YouTube - Sun of God?

 

[eanassir]

Which god is it you think I should believe in? Yours or eanassir's?

And what proof do you have that your god exists? And what proof do you have that eanassir's doesn't and what proof do you have that your god is better?

Scott Free, to be on the safe side, why not believe in both the Gods? And also be an Applist (one must cover all the bases).

I know the argument sounds stupid, but that is the argument that religious fanatics seriously make.

Their argument is ‘suppose I am wrong (this is the religious fanatic speaking) and there is no after life, I haven’t lost anything. But suppose you are wrong and there is an afterlife, you will be damned to eternal Hell forever.’

Now I know for certain that you are like Scott Free and Dexter; this is what I (the fanatic that you pointed out) told some members one day; that "if no afterlife, you will lose nothing, but in case there is the afterlife, then surely the atheist will lose." Which is the word of some Imams to a skeptic. This is only to persuade any skeptic to follow the truth of the Quran and the afterlife.

While to me, I am certain about God and the aftelife, to which I don't waver even a little bit.

 

[petros]

Until you run out of fuel and die. Sooner or later the earth's rotation would turn you 180deg. Besides that would not be a man's number.

Sorry, no again!

Every letter in the Hebrew language has a number assigned to it making the Bible one of the most encoded documents of all time. A word, phrase or whole passage can tell an entirely different story. This is the "cloak" the Rabbis refer to in the Zohar.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Sir Joseph, what's all this grandiosity (I mean in your avatar)

Eanassir, you mean my name (Sir Joseph Porter) and the photograph in the resplendent costume?

I am a big fan of British opera (Gilbert and Sullivan). Sir Joseph Porter is a character in one of the operas (HMS Pinafore). The photograph is actually the photograph of Sir Joseph Porter, in one of the performances of Pinafore.

I have explained my avatar in more details in the thread ‘What does your handle mean?’


http://forums.canadiancontent.net/hot-topics/77652-what-does-your-handle-mean-2.html


Post # 52.

 

[petros]

Sir Joseph, what's all this grandiosity (I mean in your avatar)

Eanassir, you mean my name (Sir Joseph Porter) and the photograph in the resplendent costume?

I am a big fan of British opera (Gilbert and Sullivan). Sir Joseph Porter is a character in one of the operas (HMS Pinafore). The photograph is actually the photograph of Sir Joseph Porter, in one of the performances of Pinafore.

I have explained my avatar in more details in the thread ‘What does your handle mean?’


http://forums.canadiancontent.net/hot-topics/77652-what-does-your-handle-mean-2.html


Post # 52.

YouTube - Periodic Table Of Elements Song With Lyrics

 

[L Gilbert]

Nice try, but I'll pass on claiming those attributes at the moment, in light of my post you quoted.
Ah, much better now. I assume they are not pushovers either

What try? It was a comment based on observation.
*shrugs* In fact, I know quite a few Christians who are able to get their points across and discuss such matters with civility, yes. Apparently, you aren't one. (Just an observation, not an attempt) (lol Another benefit to being an atheist is that you don't have to be civil and subsequently be labeled as a hypocritical atheist as there are no "rules of conduct" for atheists. Christians can.)

 

[L Gilbert]

The Bible is not your run of the mill piece of literature. Say one specific topic (all questions and answers on 1 single subject) is 3 pages in length. It would have been convenient of God to have those 3 pages all in one single spot and by 1 writer. Well it doesn't work that way, God ripped up those 3 pages into 20 pieces, He then gave those 20 pieces to 20 different authors who wrote every single word down so they all appear in one verse or another. To get the skinny on that subject you need all 20 pieces. If 1 has not been found the real message maybe (high probability) off from what it would be with every verse in it's place. Now that might seem like God is just messing with us, that putting things all over tyhe Bible makes the subjects taper-proof. If all infornation was in 1 chapter it would be easy to alter the original message. To alter it after it is in 20 different books means changing 20 passages which have other subject mentioned which would then have to be altered and son and so on. At normal reading speed some passage may cover 5 topics, after some reading you don't have to go and look everyone up before moving on. It is important to remember the words used thought as they hold clues on where to go for more info on that subject. Here a little there a little.

Isa:28:10:
For precept must be upon precept,
precept upon precept;
line upon line,
line upon line;
here a little,
and there a little:

As to the 6 days, it is our definition that is messing us up. Our days were not established until after the first several day had passed. Where was God when the universe began, logically He was somewhere outside and the universe could be 'smaller' that Him. Add 6 zero's to the 4500 years since the garden was closed and you have something that can 9and does) follow creation as taught by science. Discounting the time from the 1st star until our own star it is our star that is referenced by the word light, sunlight on this heavenly body we call earth. end of day 1 was 4.5 billion years ago, each progressive day is given a length we can understand by taking away 1 zero until end of day 6 (garden complete with Adam starting to name things) 45,000 years ago. Why didn't God explain this, early man had no need to deal with huge numbers nor did he need to know about powers of 10's. There a nice little summary in one paragraph. the detailed version is 20 pages.

Thanks for "clarifying" my point in your wordy manner.
There are much better ways for an "omnipotent" entity to have delivered its "Word" to people than the ridiculous Bible. The human being uses less than a fifth of its brain, apparently (some less than 98%, IMO) so there would be lots of room in there to instill all the rules and tenets and regs and laws and commandments LUCIDLY. After all, it would be easy for a being that can do ANYTHING, right? The Bible as a literary piece is asinine, as a historical work it is asinine, as a scientific work it is asinine.

 

[L Gilbert]

The fallacy of the atheist and their insisting on falsehood is clearly demonstrated in this thread and in its title: when they turned the idea upside down, and manipulated the words as do they like; and whatever argument they are given, they ignore.

The one who ignores facts and relies most upon fallacious arguments in these forums accuses others of these deeds; that's pretty funny. lmao
List of fallacious arguments:

Ad Hominem (Argument To The Man)
Affirming The Consequent
Amazing Familiarity
Ambiguous Assertion
Appeal To Anonymous Authority
Appeal To Authority
Appeal To Coincidence
Appeal To Complexity
Appeal To False Authority
Appeal To Force
Appeal To Pity (Appeal to Sympathy, The Galileo Argument)
Appeal To Widespread Belief (Bandwagon Argument, Peer Pressure, Appeal To Common Practice)
Argument By Emotive Language (Appeal To The People)
Argument By Fast Talking
Argument By Generalization
Argument By Gibberish (Bafflement)
Argument By Half Truth (Suppressed Evidence)
Argument By Laziness (Argument By Uninformed Opinion)
Argument By Personal Charm
Argument By Pigheadedness (Doggedness)
Argument By Poetic Language
Argument By Prestigious Jargon
Argument By Question
Argument By Repetition (Argument Ad Nauseam)
Argument by Rhetorical Question
Argument By Scenario
Argument By Selective Observation
Argument By Selective Reading
Argument By Slogan
Argument From Adverse Consequences (Appeal To Fear, Scare Tactics)
Argument From Age (Wisdom of the Ancients)
Argument From Authority
Argument From False Authority
Argument From Small Numbers
Argument From Spurious Similarity
Argument Of The Beard
Argument To The Future
Bad Analogy
Begging The Question (Assuming The Answer, Tautology)
Burden Of Proof
Causal Reductionism (Complex Cause)
Changing The Subject (Digression, Red Herring, Misdirection, False Emphasis)
Cliche Thinking
Common Sense
Complex Question (Tying)
Confusing Correlation And Causation
Disproof By Fallacy
Equivocation
Error Of Fact
Euphemism
Exception That Proves The Rule
Excluded Middle (False Dichotomy, Faulty Dilemma, Bifurcation)
Extended Analogy
Failure To State
Fallacy Of Composition
Fallacy Of Division
Fallacy Of The General Rule
Fallacy Of The Crucial Experiment
False Cause
False Compromise
Genetic Fallacy (Fallacy of Origins, Fallacy of Virtue)
Having Your Cake (Failure To Assert, or Diminished Claim)
Hypothesis Contrary To Fact
Inconsistency
Inflation Of Conflict
Internal Contradiction
Least Plausible Hypothesis
Lies
Meaningless Questions
Misunderstanding The Nature Of Statistics
Moving The Goalposts (Raising The Bar, Argument By Demanding Impossible Perfection)
Needling
Non Sequitur
Not Invented Here
Outdated Information
Pious Fraud
Poisoning The Wells
Psychogenetic Fallacy
Reductio Ad Absurdum
Reductive Fallacy (Oversimplification)
Reifying
Short Term Versus Long Term
Slippery Slope Fallacy (Camel's Nose)
Special Pleading (Stacking The Deck)
Statement Of Conversion
Stolen Concept
Straw Man (Fallacy Of Extension)
Two Wrongs Make A Right (Tu Quoque, You Too)
Weasel Wording

- A List Of Fallacious Arguments

 

[petros]

The fallacy of the atheist and their insisting on falsehood is clearly demonstrated in this thread.....

Is that why you'll forever be chasing dunya?

 

[L Gilbert]

Dexter, maybe he has you on ignore, but he doesn't have me on ignore. I have set a match to the pile of dynamite, now let us watch the side show.

If MHz had Dexter on "ignore" he/she wouldn't be able to quote Dexter as his posts would be hidden from MHz. It's just a pedomorphic game he/she is playing.

 

[L Gilbert]

..........Their argument is ‘suppose I am wrong (this is the religious fanatic speaking) and there is no after life, I haven’t lost anything. But suppose you are wrong and there is an afterlife, you will be damned to eternal Hell forever.’

Any god worth believing in wouldn't subject someone to "hell" for simply disbelieving due to absence of evidence. It would subject someone to "hell" for doing things that weren't nice, like rape, murder, etc.

 

[L Gilbert]

The god du jour.
Today is SunDay, so, fittingly, today's god is Ra, the Egyptian god of the sun.

Quick facts (Myths - sorry!)
ANCIENT EGYPT: RA THE SUN GOD AND QUEEN CLEOPATRA INSPIRES SOLAR NAVIGATOR CATAMARAN FIGURE HEAD - SOLAR BOAT

Should have been called Raday or RAyday. lol Would have been more logical.

 

[Spade]

Good day, Gilbert! Here, the sun god is sleeping, or perhaps it is true that the clouds are below heaven. Must check the good books.

 

[L Gilbert]

The punishment of the homosexual: the subject and the object (or the doer and the one acted on) both of them will be punished, but not to death penalty; it is some milder punishment: either some lashes or imprisonment: I am not certain about this; it is written some where in the interpretation some of which is not available now with me.

When I read this in the interpretation, I was surprised; because I thought it may be worse than adultery; and asked Abu abd-Allah; he said it is as such as in the interpretation.

The original Torah (including the Book of Leviticus; which is also included in the Old Testament) was very much similar to the statements of the Glorious Quran, but by time and by various factors including also the translations, many rites and statements were then distorted: added, omitted, or invented by the priest Ezra son of Siraeh following their return from the captivity of Babylon.

But concerning the people of Lot who dwelt in Sodom and Gomorrah and the rest of the five cities that where destroyed by the earthquake and were in the site of the present Dead Sea. They were known to have this homosexuality and were punished by the extermination (almost were wrong-doers and associaters and rejected the admonishing of Prophet Lot.

Yup. Mass murderer. I'd definitely want to believe in and glorify a mass murderer.............. if I was insane.