U.S. Asked to Keep Their Toys at Home

[CanadianLove]

Countries on both sides of the U.S. have claimed that the amount of gang related violence in the past short while is due mainly because of the amount of weapons smuggled for the United States.

Mexico:
"We need to stop the flow of guns and weapons towards Mexico," President Calderon told AP. "Let me express to you that we've seized in this two years more than 25,000 weapons and guns, and more than 90 percent of them came from United States, and I'm talking from missiles launchers to machine guns and grenades."

1/4,400 mexican residents - 2 years

Mexico: U.S. Must Stop Gun Trade At Border - CBS News


Canada:
Last year, police confiscated 191 guns at the B.C.-Washington border. It's impossible to say how many others found their way into Canada.

1/23,000 BC residents - 1 year

CTV.ca | Smuggled guns fuelling B.C.'s gang problem

Mexico may look to have a bigger problem, but the stats do not include the other border crossings of Canada, or the guns confiscated on the streets of our cities.

 

[Machjo]

B bb b but what about the right to bear arms, to have a tank in my garage, to have a Harrier parked in my backyard, store an SADM in my basement, have an assault rifle under my bed, and a few mustard gas grenades in my closet?

You bunch of commie socialists who want to restrict my right to be my own one-man army. After all, the Holy Constution says it's my right.

 

[Tyr]

B bb b but what about the right to bear arms, to have a tank in my garage, to have a Harrier parked in my backyard, store an SADM in my basement, have an assault rifle under my bed, and a few mustard gas grenades in my closet?

You bunch of commie socialists who want to restrict my right to be my own one-man army. After all, the Holy Constution says it's my right.

Don't forget that "tonne" of Amonium Nitrate that you need to fertilizer the rose garden. Ya just never know when the Shiite will hit the fan

 

[MHz]

B bb b but what about the right to bear arms, to have a tank in my garage, to have a Harrier parked in my backyard, store an SADM in my basement, have an assault rifle under my bed, and a few mustard gas grenades in my closet?

You bunch of commie socialists who want to restrict my right to be my own one-man army. After all, the Holy Constution says it's my right.

Obviously random gunfire hasn't enter you life yet, when it does your post will be much different.

 

[Tyr]

Obviously random gunfire hasn't enter you life yet, when it does your post will be much different.

I believe he was being facitious...

You on the other hand, being from Red Deer should be familiar with random gunfire on a daily basis:smile:

 

[ironsides]

I know some of you think this is a joke, but The Second Amendment was put right behind the First Amendment to protect it and all other amendments from a tyrannical government. Period. It was a guarantee that would give the citizens the ability to someday, if the government ever became tyrannical enough, to over-throw the government.


MHz, You are right, if random gunfire does enter your live, you would wish you had something to defend yourself. It is much scarier when you have nothing.

 

[MHz]

Random violence sure, gunfire not so much. When you are in your early teens and a knife alter two lives forever it really hard to see any fuking humor in a post such as the one posted by Machjo's, so really I hope it comes to his house just to wipe the smirk off his face.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Obviously random gunfire hasn't enter you life yet, when it does your post will be much different.

Well, it has entered my life and I haven't changed my tune. Nowhere in history has the disarming of law abiding citizens had a positive effect on crime except in totalitarian states, then the major crimes are committed by the state and its operatives.

There is a difference between defensive weapons and those used for survival, and offensive weapons and weapons of war.

Too many resources are wasted going after law abiding Joe Sixpack in the name of optics when the real criminals are the ones who need to be caught, prosecuted and sent up the river.

 

[Tyr]

I know some of you think this is a joke, but The Second Amendment was put right behind the First Amendment to protect it and all other amendments from a tyrannical government. Period. It was a guarantee that would give the citizens the ability to someday, if the government ever became tyrannical enough, to over-throw the government.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Your interpretation is for the citizens to be able to overthrow the gov't if it became "tyrannical" I guess you would have to explain who determines it's tyrannical. A Libertarian would believe the current gov't is tyrannical

My interpretation is that the people shall have top capability to defend the state against all transgressors. that would not enable them to be able to take the law into their own hands and become a "de facto" nation unto themselves whereby an individual determines what is right or worng, lawful or lawful or "in the best interests of the state.

The nations defence is not necessarily mutually inclusibve with self defence

 

[Tyr]

Well, it has entered my life and I haven't changed my tune. Nowhere in history has the disarming of law abiding citizens had a positive effect on crime except in totalitarian states, then the major crimes are committed by the state and its operatives.

There is a difference between defensive weapons and those used for survival, and offensive weapons and weapons of war.

Too many resources are wasted going after law abiding Joe Sixpack in the name of optics when the real criminals are the ones who need to be caught, prosecuted and sent up the river.

Too many resources are wasted going after law abiding Joe Sixpack in the name of optics when the real criminals are the ones who need to be caught, prosecuted and sent up the river

To that writ, I'll take it you agree that inhibiting the flow of illegal firearms into Canada will cut down on crime as the firearms will be less available to the "criminals"

Less guns, less crime. simple

 

[bobnoorduyn]

MHz, You are right, if random gunfire does enter your live, you would wish you had something to defend yourself. It is much scarier when you have nothing.

And all too often deadlier, criminals don't play by any rules and have no respect for life, except possibly their own.

 

[Zzarchov]

For all the talk about guns in America.

No nation has ever become a stable democracy without the majority of the population being armed, or without occupation by an armed democracy.

Its no special case that Britain started to move towards democracy the moment every man had to be trained with and own a longbow. And for such a policy to have any effect at all, the weapons have to be of comparable calibre to the ones the state could bring to bear on the populace.

A hunting rifle won't do much against those with assault rifles, and lets not even get into armour and airpower.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

To that writ, I'll take it you agree that inhibiting the flow of illegal firearms into Canada will cut down on crime as the firearms will be less available to the "criminals"

Less guns, less crime. simple

Sorry, not that simple, fewer guns in the wrong hands maybe, but that isn't achieved by disarming the public. I have a freind who is a stevedor and almost none of the containers he off loads are inspected, that is the most effective way to smuggle anything, that would be a good starting point.

 

[Tyr]

For all the talk about guns in America.

No nation has ever become a stable democracy without the majority of the population being armed, or without occupation by an armed democracy.

Its no special case that Britain started to move towards democracy the moment every man had to be trained with and own a longbow. And for such a policy to have any effect at all, the weapons have to be of comparable calibre to the ones the state could bring to bear on the populace.

A hunting rifle won't do much against those with assault rifles, and lets not even get into armour and airpower.

No nation has ever become a stable democracy without the majority of the population being armed, or without occupation by an armed democracy.

Nauru :lol:

 

[Tyr]

Sorry, not that simple, fewer guns in the wrong hands maybe, but that isn't achieved by disarming the public. I have a freind who is a stevedor and almost none of the containers he off loads are inspected, that is the most effective way to smuggle anything, that would be a good starting point.

I didn't say disarming the public. I would like to see a handgun ban though. It serves no useful purpose (hunting) in the hands of the average Canadian citizen

I have a friend who's a Stevedore and he's a "smuggler"

I'm all for scanning all of the containers. Currently they randomly "pick" 5%

 

[bobnoorduyn]

A hunting rifle won't do much against those with assault rifles, and lets not even get into armour and airpower.

There are always variables, considering almost all firefights happen within a ranges no greater than 30 yards, no, a hunting rifle isn't much of a friend. On the other hand, at ranges of over 100 yards I'd sooner have a decent hunting rifle over an assault rifle. (And any military person will tell you also that a pistol is a defensive weapon, a means to fight your way back to your gun. If you're looking for action it is best to take along some friends, and a tank ;-)).

 

[bobnoorduyn]

I didn't say disarming the public. I would like to see a handgun ban though. It serves no useful purpose (hunting) in the hands of the average Canadian citizen

Then police don't need them either? They absolutely serve a purpose, it's called defense, a far more useful purpose than hunting, (we don't hunt with them only because we're not allowed to, even though some are made exclusively for that purpose and some are more accurate than some rifles).

Using a rifle for defense in an urban setting is disaster waiting to happen, hunting rifles are up to 40 times more powerful than defense pistols.

 

[ironsides]

No nation has ever become a stable democracy without the majority of the population being armed, or without occupation by an armed democracy.

Nauru

Very good reply.

 

[ironsides]

I am opposed to assault rifles, they cause to much random violence in the wrong hands. If needed all you need is a handgun to start.

 

[ironsides]

How do you limit illegal guns from coming into Canada. Most fireams start out legal. (stolen from stores etc.)