Defeat PM over 'vindictive, nasty' budget, N.L. premier tells Liberals

mt_pockets1000

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Oh, I am sorry, I did not mean to say that our natives were as dumb as Danny Williams, he is out there on his own.
So now you're implying that natives are dumb, just not as dumb as Danny. Gotcha. Fred, go back to the sandbox and play with your little shovel.
 

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So now natives are stupid, but not as stupid as Williams? Should have just stuck with the "I am sorry".
Do you have a business of your own? Do you have a degree in a science? My wife does and there are even more accomplished natives around than her.
 

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I guess you guys would make good editors for a paper, as you have the ability to twist thoughts into what you want to catch people saying, not what they are saying.
 

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My mother always said if you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all. Well, I never followed that advice. It seems you don't either.


From the tone of your comments I'd say it's not just Danny Williams that pisses you off but the whole province of Newfoundland.
ValeInco is building a smelter in Newfoundland? You and I both know that's pure BS.

Nope, I just hate the whining that, no matter how well the province does with oil revenues, they still want equalization. And most Newfoundlanders that I know, and deal with every day, agree with Danny. I think they're wrong, and I hate listening to the whining.
 

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What I find "odd" about the bungling budget is that the 4th largest province - Alberta (by pop) ends up with nearly 4X as much as the second largest province - Quebec and 3X as much as the third largest province - BC
The inference is simple really. Move to Alberta, vote Tory and get a huge handout .
I wonder if it's possible to dig a deeper trough?

Pretty much, and the way it seems for Newfoundland, that's exactly the message being sent.

No, no real message of the conservatives actually trying to do their damn jobs for once and solve a problem.... nope.... instead this was yet another political game and in the end, none of it will really even help.

This Budget will not help one single thing in the long run, it doesn't even help things right now..... and Iggy and the rest of the Liberals as per usual, are playing their typical good cop role in the same play they're both a part of..... it's friggin sick that this is allowed to continue on.

Nope.... screw it, I see no more point in voting anymore, nothings gonna change in our government. There is no such thing as democracy in this country anymore and is nothing more then an illusion that we actually have a say in anything. This is a dictatorship shared between two parties that continually fail this nation and its people time and time again...... and like a dictatorship, we will bicker here and there and say we don't like it, but nothing will ever be done and be accepted as just a part of life.

Guess I was right about Iggy.

I'm going to do my part, tonight.I notice that especially on CBC, their coverage is mostly focussed on what everyone DOESN'T like about the budget.

That's probably because there's nothing in the budget to like in the first place.

Just about dick ($170 million over 2 years) for the forest industry in BC, yet the rich banks are happier by $75 billion?
Just about dick for the homeless, yet the bungling automaker management gets a nice hefty bailout?
$200 million for something called Canadian TV Fund, and hardly dick to help out the most people on Unemployment (which happens to be women)?
Nothing said about giving new energy research and development a helping hand, yet $335 million for arts and culture?
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Harpy and cronies (Iggy, also. Layton is a moron who just pompously airs his objection to anything) convinced me yet again, Ottawa has its head stuffed up its a$$.

While I agree with many of your points above.... Layton and the NDP seem to be the only party who sees this crap going on and won't be a part of the same crap over and over again.

Geez, I'm airing objection, you just aired your list of objections..... he's not allowed to? I thought that was his job as "Opposition."

But Layton said it perfectly..... there is a new Coalition and it's between the Conservatives and their b*tch, the Liberals. Which is true, since in every minority government, parties need to form Coalitions in order for the government to survive.

Unfortunatly the Liberals are more willing to side with the party that has actually proved itself to be a failure and incompetent as leaders, and we're now back into the same old BS for another few years it would seem.

The Government is more like Wrestling..... they try to put on a really big show, with a lot of really big talk and while there is a small amount of realism to their job, it's mostly fake and just an act for the mindless viewers who believe Hulk Harper and Macho Man Mikey Iggy really hate each other.

Like I said, I still bet Harper and the Gov General just wasted time by playing PS3 for a couple of hours to make it seem like they were talking serious.

Does anybody see the native traits in the face of the cry baby known as Danny Williams? Or is he just starting to grow tits. God, Danny quite crying and whinning like a girl. Put your big girl panties on and get to work.

Did I say there was something wrong with a native face.

Yes. You referenced Danny as being a Crybaby after just pointing out his native traits in his face, then went on about how much of a woman he must be and also referenced women as being weak who cry a lot, which to me sounds pretty racist and sexist at the same time.

Smooth move ex-lax.

I asked a question, I guess you have limited ability to read. I am trying to suggest that Danny Williams is a cry baby, whinner, and all the same words that mean he would whine if he got all the money in Canada, he would still want and demand more. Am I to assume that your wife is a biker. Nothing wrong with bikers!

Women have to be Husky Bikers in order to do a world of hurt on you?

Once again, sexist.... good job, keep it up.

Anyway, aside from the disgust I feel about the last person's ignorant comment, I am even more disgusted with the Cons and the head Glib after reading this

From your link:

$8.3 billion for the Canadian Skills and Transition Strategy. This includes extra support for people who have lost their jobs, including enhancements to Employment Insurance and more funding for skills and training development to help Canadians get better jobs.

Isn't this what the Employment Insurance fund is for? Isn't there supposed to be something like $50 billion in the fund?What? You spent it? Like, without telling us? Jeez, that doesn't seem right. Now we have to fork over another $8.3 billion in borrowed money to make up for the fact you guys in Ottawa blew all those deductions you've been taking from our paycheques. What? You're going to freeze the deductions for two years? Well, that's OK then.

^ Seems a lot of people forgot this little tid bit..... oh yeah, I remember now.... EI didn't need any of that money, nice.... now that 50 billion is gone, here.... we'll chuck you 8.3 billion of your own money and extend the time you can be on EI, making it get sucked away even faster.

Brilliant!
 

Praxius

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I guess you guys would make good editors for a paper, as you have the ability to twist thoughts into what you want to catch people saying, not what they are saying.

Funny, we all seem to see the same things in what you're posting.... I don't remember having backdoor meetings with everybody here to gang up on you..... you did it to yourself, that's what you wrote, this is what we all read.

But somehow that's our fault right?
 

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Nope, I just hate the whining that, no matter how well the province does with oil revenues, they still want equalization. And most Newfoundlanders that I know, and deal with every day, agree with Danny. I think they're wrong, and I hate listening to the whining.

Well maybe they have more understanding of their own situation then you do. Maybe you're not getting the whole picture. Maybe you don't really have a clue. Maybe they agree with Danny because like them, they all live in the same place and have the same problems to solve.

And Maybe Danny actually puts the interests of those who voted for him and the province itself ahead of any little handouts from the Conservatives to screw over his province Harper could give him.... much like what happens with every other province in this country with push over premieres.

Maybe things would start getting done right and people would finally see some results back in their hands with more premiers like him.

Oh yeah, but we're all not used to people who speak out... I forgot.
 

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Does anybody see the native traits in the face of the cry baby known as Danny Williams? Or is he just starting to grow tits. God, Danny quite crying and whinning like a girl. Put your big girl panties on and get to work.
Thats why no one takes him seriously, and if they do, they need their head examined.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Risus/Justfred/Tenpenny:
Thankfully the people of Newfoundland and Labrador stand solidly behind their premier. There are a few dissenting voices like yours but they bleat weakly in the wind like lost sheep on a stormy night. Williams is showing you how to grow a pair of nads and stand up for your rights. Perhaps a little less negativity and more support from your camp and we might be able to push this movement forward into an all out in-your-face message to the feds that the people are not going to take their slippery, slimey BS anymore.
 

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Risus/Justfred/Tenpenny:
Thankfully the people of Newfoundland and Labrador stand solidly behind their premier. There are a few dissenting voices like yours but they bleat weakly in the wind like lost sheep on a stormy night. Williams is showing you how to grow a pair of nads and stand up for your rights. Perhaps a little less negativity and more support from your camp and we might be able to push this movement forward into an all out in-your-face message to the feds that the people are not going to take their slippery, slimey BS anymore.

I'm hoping Danny can show me how to have a job paying me $100,000 per year, and still collect welfare, because that's what he wants for his Province.
 

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I'm hoping Danny can show me how to have a job paying me $100,000 per year, and still collect welfare, because that's what he wants for his Province.

I guess I'll have to keep that in mind the next time Ontario or Alberta complain about needing money.

The difference here is that the atlantic provinces fought tooth and nail to get the deals we have now.... now our provincial leaders had a plan with deals made, and they have to base the way they operate on what is expected for available resources..... then when something like this happens and changes the whole plan, you have to then go through the process of reorganizing your plans and eliminating certain programs and funding, because suddenly that money no longer exists..... without your approval at that.

So then everybody get's pissed at you for having to break promises, and you end up doing much of what Danny is doing, which is explaining the situation and expressing how pissed he is..... and I would be too.

How can you trust a government that screws you out of previously promised deals, which you then have to spend more time fighting to get some of it back, finally get some of it back, only for it all to be taken away again in the end?

That's a pr*ck job if I ever saw one.
 

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Here's some related information:


^ Two Nova Scotian Sellouts with their Goon-Master Harper.

Accord status unclear
Accord status unclear - Nova Scotia News - TheChronicleHerald.ca

OTTAWA — The federal government has once again violated the Atlantic accord, provincial New Democrats and Liberals said Wednesday, but Premier Rodney MacDonald said the province isn’t out any money.

Federal politicians aren’t sure what’s happening with the accord, and staff with the federal Finance Department failed to provide any answers Wednesday despite repeated requests.

Provincial NDP Leader Darrell Dexter sent a letter Wednesday morning to Nova Scotia’s 11 MPs, saying that Tuesday’s federal budget contains unilateral changes to equalization that in effect resume a clawback on the province’s offshore revenue.

Former premier John Hamm signed a deal with former prime minister Paul Martin in 2005 to end the clawback, so that the province would not lose equalization money when offshore revenues increased.

But in the budget of 2007 the federal government changed the deal, imposing a cap on the take, which ignited a federal-provincial battle. Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Mr. MacDonald settled that eventually.

Not really, he put on another big show for everybody and then came back with a half-assed deal which is now pretty much gone.....

According to Mr. Dexter, the federal government has changed that replacement deal, returning to the clawback. This year, $75 million of the money the province receives from Ottawa must go to debt payment instead of program spending, which means the province has less money to spend.

"I don’t know if you want to call it clever or sneaky," Mr. Dexter said. "It means that we will get $75 million less than we would have otherwise been entitled to."

Provincial Liberal Leader Stephen McNeil asked why Mr. MacDonald didn’t tell Nova Scotians about this.

"If he knew this change was coming, how long has he known and why has he been hiding this fact from Nova Scotians?" he said in a news release Wednesday.

Mr. MacDonald confirmed that equalization is going down by about $75 million and Ottawa is increasing payments to offset that reduction. He said that is being done through a transition payment between the federal and provincial finance departments.

"The dollars are there," he said. "We are not losing those dollars this year as indicated, and that is money that is coming through the transitional payment."

Bullsh*t!

If we're not losing any money and it's balanced out by other increases, then why bother to change it in the first damn place?

What a crock.

When asked whether the status of the $75 million as an offset payment rather than equalization means it will be tougher for the province during budgeting, the premier said no.

"We’re still receiving the $75 million," he said. "There is no clawback. We are receiving the full amount."

Yeah? Show us how....

Federal politicians said little to clear up the confusion.

Yeah I thought so.

Independent MP Bill Casey, who fought the Tories over the accord, was waiting for more information.

New Democrat MP Megan Leslie said she doesn’t know who would move an amendment to change the budget, as suggested by Mr. Dexter, but the NDP isn’t able to for procedural reasons.

"Obviously we would support any amendment that would help Nova Scotia with the accord," she said.

Liberal MP Scott Brison said his party’s amendment, which would require the Conservatives to report on their budget regularly, would also allow the Liberals to protect Nova Scotia.

"We have them on a very short leash, and the same Liberal MPs who defended the Atlantic accord against Nova Scotia will also protect Nova Scotia against any equalization changes," he said.

Dan Dugas, spokesman for Defence Minister Peter MacKay, declined to respond to the complaints of Mr. Dexter and Mr. McNeil.

"It’s hardly Peter MacKay’s place to get involved in provincial politics," he said. "In terms of the budget, I know that (Finance) Minister (Michael) Baker has been supportive."

This is why I don't vote conservative..... jackasses.
 

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I guess I'll have to keep that in mind the next time Ontario or Alberta complain about needing money.

The difference here is that the atlantic provinces fought tooth and nail to get the deals we have now.... now our provincial leaders had a plan with deals made, and they have to base the way they operate on what is expected for available resources.....

You really are clueless, aren't you? I'm pretty goddam familiar with 'here in the Atlantic provinces, having been born here and lived here for all but 2 years of my life. Feel free to go shopping for a clue, when you have a chance.
 

Praxius

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You really are clueless, aren't you? I'm pretty goddam familiar with 'here in the Atlantic provinces, having been born here and lived here for all but 2 years of my life. Feel free to go shopping for a clue, when you have a chance.

Like I give two shakes of a turd where your from, clearly being born and raised here didn't give you enough of a clue as to what's going on and why some people are a little ticked off.

OOoOoooo.... I didn't know what part of this country you came from..... whoopty doo *twirls finger* still doesn't mean you're right.

Rather then telling me to get a clue about your background, how about you get a clue about the subject?