Israel has the right to defend its people. Hamas is Iran's bouncer

[Socrates the Greek]

Israel bashers stop being hypocrites, and by that I mean any of you believing this garbage of Zionism think this one out.


IF YOU WERE A JEW AND YOUR PEOPLE WERE ONLY 13,000,0000 VERSES 110,000,000 ARABS AS WELL 50 MILLION IRANIANS AND YOUR PEOPLE WERE TOLD REPEATEDLY BY THE MAJORITY OF 110,000,000 NON JEW ARABS AS WELL THE MAJORITY OF 50 MILLION IRANIANS,

“WE WILL FLUSH YOU IN THE OCEAN”,

WHILE YOUR PEOPLE HAD 640 TIMES LESS LAND THEN THAT OF THE ARABS, WHO DO YOU THINK IS THE AGGRESSOR HERE????????????????????????????????

One thing that is indisputable here is that Israel is the defender and Iran along with the Arabs who BOTH hate the JEWS, USE THE Palestinians in Gaza TO MAKE THE JEWS LOOK AS THE AGGRESSOR.

If some one wants to flash you into the sea what are you going to do?
Invite them for a weekend on your boat to go fishing with?

To any one who thinks that Israel is the perpetrator of the fighting in Gaza wrong and it makes one look like a hypocrite, under the same circumstance you would defend your self and your country.

 

[lone wolf]

Jews Not Zionists

Maybe it's you who doesn't exist, Sock....

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Jews Not Zionists

Maybe it's you who doesn't exist, Sock....

Good day LW, EASY ON THE FRIENDLY FIRE, how can I not exist when I am here?..

LW answer this one for me, if you were a Jew and you lived in that part of the world and majority of your neighbors thought you should not exist because you are not the same skin color as the majority of 110,000,000 Arabs would you move and go were? Or would you stay and drop your last drop of blood to defend a land that is very special to you and your people?
Throwing rocks at me it doesn’t fix the Gaza misery....

 

[gopher]

I think gopher won that exchange hands down, it's obvious.

Amen.

Just imagine if Ahmadinejad had offered one million for Mubarak's death as these reich wing clowns say --- how many headlines all over the world would we have seen?

How many people would be calling for Ahmadinejad's head because of the fury created by Fox and other far right media??

And if he was stupid enough to say that, wouldn't the Iranian government itself have brought him down?


The idea that Ahmadinejad would do such a thing is so ridiculous that you have to wonder of the sanity of anyone who is stupid enough to believe it. Even the Fox network never reported such a stupid thing - why? Because it never took place.

 

[gopher]

''One thing that is indisputable here is that Israel is the defender and Iran along with the Arabs who BOTH hate the JEWS, USE THE Palestinians in Gaza TO MAKE THE JEWS LOOK AS THE AGGRESSOR.''



If Einstein was around today he would tell you that you are under an illusion.

The fact remains that over one half million rallied in Europe's streets against Zionist aggression. Thousands more did so throughout the rest of the world.

Only delusionals in the USA and Canada still believe Israel is the innocent victim when it is the evildoer. I have challenged you previously to read European and other international news media to get the truth. Had you done so you would be writing something very different from the Zionist propaganda that you are spewing here.

 

[MHz]

Israel bashers stop being hypocrites, and by that I mean any of you believing this garbage of Zionism think this one out.


IF YOU WERE A JEW AND YOUR PEOPLE WERE ONLY 13,000,0000 VERSES 110,000,000 ARABS AS WELL 50 MILLION IRANIANS AND YOUR PEOPLE WERE TOLD REPEATEDLY BY THE MAJORITY OF 110,000,000 NON JEW ARABS AS WELL THE MAJORITY OF 50 MILLION IRANIANS,

“WE WILL FLUSH YOU IN THE OCEAN”,

WHILE YOUR PEOPLE HAD 640 TIMES LESS LAND THEN THAT OF THE ARABS, WHO DO YOU THINK IS THE AGGRESSOR HERE????????????????????????????????

One thing that is indisputable here is that Israel is the defender and Iran along with the Arabs who BOTH hate the JEWS, USE THE Palestinians in Gaza TO MAKE THE JEWS LOOK AS THE AGGRESSOR.

If some one wants to flash you into the sea what are you going to do?
Invite them for a weekend on your boat to go fishing with?

To any one who thinks that Israel is the perpetrator of the fighting in Gaza wrong and it makes one look like a hypocrite, under the same circumstance you would defend your self and your country.

Typical Zionist misdirection. Please provide the source for this 'alleged quote'
“WE WILL FLUSH YOU IN THE OCEAN”.

Apparently their skill at running things hasn't improved at all in 2,000 years, that is approximately the time it has been since God kicked their asses off of His land because they weren't doing anything right. That's right God's land, they could stay there if the obeyed His Laws. Kindly point out even 1 law that is being kept today?

 

[Cannuck]

The idea that Ahmadinejad would do such a thing is so ridiculous that you have to wonder of the sanity of anyone who is stupid enough to believe it. Even the Fox network never reported such a stupid thing - why? Because it never took place.

I don't think anybody has said he did. I know , at least, that I haven't.

 

[Cannuck]

Only delusionals in the USA and Canada still believe Israel is the innocent victim when it is the evildoer.

You sound just like Bush.

 

[einmensch]

Hey soc--occupying, settling, jews only is not defending your land. Arab states offered peace and recognition of Israel in 2003 but Israel declined because Israel wanted to continue its occupation. Israel has been the aggressor and unlike you Palestinians refuse to drink.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Typical Zionist misdirection. Please provide the source for this 'alleged quote'
“WE WILL FLUSH YOU IN THE OCEAN”.

Apparently their skill at running things hasn't improved at all in 2,000 years, that is approximately the time it has been since God kicked their asses off of His land because they weren't doing anything right. That's right God's land, they could stay there if the obeyed His Laws. Kindly point out even 1 law that is being kept today?

Israel can not be naive or she will be pushed into the sea. Surah 8:30 reminds followers "War is deception."

Will Obama's weakness bring war to Israel?

By they way did you see God kicking Jews in a literal sense, because only in a literal sense one would be able to ascertain this happening.
It is on record that Israel’s enemies in the Meddle East want to see the Jews in the Ocean.
Calling the Jews thieves during the time or before the Holocaust is not fair.

Look, the Jews fought the Arabs way back them and ended up with the state of Israel. Your people, your country, in that region faced with bad odds against you, you would be doing the same thing the Jews did to survive.
Men’s history has been fight, colonize, and occupy, same thing with the Jews, they have the right to their Land.

 

[lone wolf]

It is on record that Israel’s enemies in the Meddle East want to see the Jews in the Ocean.

Sock, if you're going to make attempts at quoting threats, at least get them right. The boast was and always will be "push them into the Mediterranean Sea." Israel, like Greece, is a long way from any ocean....

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Hey soc--occupying, settling, jews only is not defending your land. Arab states offered peace and recognition of Israel in 2003 but Israel declined because Israel wanted to continue its occupation. Israel has been the aggressor and unlike you Palestinians refuse to drink.

Look in the last 8 years all the rocket attacks ISRAEL has gotten hit with from Gaza by Hamas using Palestinian children for shields and telling the world that Israel is killing innocent children when in-fact Jewish innocent children have died from this rocket attacks, Naturally Israel would be hard to agree with demented Arabian peace idolism which keeps the Jews vulnerable.

Very simple, get Hamas out of the Gaza strip and stop the indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israel and things may go to wards peace.

This is a cat and mouse game, and I tell you if any one in that region pisses Garfield (Israel) off they will have their face taken off.

And you would do the same under the same circumstance.

 

[Scott Free]

Do people realize how stupid they sound when they say Hamas uses children for shields?

You can't attack someones city and say the people living there use children as shields. That is just ****ing ridiculous.

Sorry Socrates I don't mean to imply anything about you it's just the term is so ridiculous. I know it's popular but it's also moronic.

 

[In Between Man]

Do people realize how stupid they sound when they say Hamas uses children for shields?

Hamas: Human shield confession:


Hamas: Human shield confession.

 

[Scott Free]

I have no idea if that is a good interpretation or if the speaker meant what we suppose he meant by the statement.

The fact remains that if you attack people in their homes where they live women and children will be killed and this is in fact what it means to attack a city. London, Germany, Japan lost millions of children but no one claims they were shields - oh wait, yes they did, each made this claim against their enemy!

But I will concede that as stupid as the claim sounds to me perhaps it is derived at legitimately sometimes.

However, I do think it is more probable that the children being killed are merely sitting at home.

The people claiming that children are being used as shields are the same ones dropping bombs on schools and hospitals so their claim is very incredible i.e., not credible.

 

[In Between Man]

I have no idea if that is a good interpretation or if the speaker meant what we suppose he meant by the statement.

The fact remains that if you attack people in their homes where they live women and children will be killed and this is in fact what it means to attack a city. London, Germany, Japan lost millions of children but no one claims they were shields - oh wait, yes they did, each made this claim against their enemy!

But I will concede that as stupid as the claim sounds to me perhaps it is derived at legitimately sometimes.

However, I do think it is more probable that the children being killed are merely sitting at home.

I would have to say that a lot of those children are just sitting at home. Human shields are used, but not all these recent victims were used that way. It seems possible to me as well, that perhaps some Israeli soldiers are guilty of wrongful acts.

War sucks, and one of the worst aspects of it is the loss of innocent civilians. If the Palestinians get more wise one day, they will oust Hamas, and elect a government that can work with Israel. That means: at least acknowledging Israel's right to exist. Even if multi-cultural, not Zionist.

 

[Cannuck]

I have no idea if that is a good interpretation or if the speaker meant what we suppose he meant by the statement.

It's not a perfect translation but it's close enough and I'm content that the meaning is clear.

The fact remains that if you attack people in their homes where they live women and children will be killed and this is in fact what it means to attack a city. London, Germany, Japan lost millions of children but no one claims they were shields - oh wait, yes they did, each made this claim against their enemy!

No they didn't. The Brits, the Germans and the Japanese did not purposely intermingle their military with their civilians in an attempt to protect their militaries. Any claims of such would be propaganda. That is not the case this time.

However, I do think it is more probable that the children being killed are merely sitting at home.

At issue is the hypocrisy of those that criticize the Israelis for not "caring" about civilians while looking the other way while Hamas "expresses their concern" for civilians

The people claiming that children are being used as shields are the same ones dropping bombs on schools and hospitals so their claim is very incredible i.e., not credible.

Most of the claims that come out of war zones are not credible and it doesn't matter which side is doin' the claiming.

 

[Zzarchov]

Hey soc--occupying, settling, jews only is not defending your land. Arab states offered peace and recognition of Israel in 2003 but Israel declined because Israel wanted to continue its occupation. Israel has been the aggressor and unlike you Palestinians refuse to drink.

Little bit of untruth there. Israel never said no, it just said that it won't allow people who have never set foot on Israel to automatically move there, and that it won't let another nation illegally occupy Jerusalem, which is not Palestinian, and was originally its own Jewish Majority nation (Seperate from Israel)
"
Oslo Agreement negotiator Joel Singer commented shortly after the Beruit Summit that "the major problem with it is that it only called upon Israel to do a series of things and there was no call upon the Palestinians to stop terrorism."
BBC News has stated that the 2007 re-adoption prompted a more supportive response from the government than the initial 2002 initiative, which ended up being "rejected... outright after it was first proposed".Israel had asked for and did not receive amendments after the 2002 summit.Israel attempted to mount a counter-proposal in May 2007 to work out those contentious issues"

 

[barney]

At issue is the hypocrisy of those that criticize the Israelis for not "caring" about civilians while looking the other way while Hamas "expresses their concern" for civilians

I swear I hear that every time someone condemns IDF atrocities: 'nobody cares when innocent Jews die'. It has nothing to do with who died but rather how they died: the Israeli citizens that were killed in the rocket attacks were victims of rag-tag fanatical miltants, whereas the Palestinians were killed by one of the most advanced military forces in the world belonging to a highly developed state.

Most of the western world holds Israel to a much higher standard than they do most Arab states (which are mostly underdeveloped economically and socially), not to mention Hamas militants. That means that Israel is expected to show more responsibility when engaging in military action (as is the case with the armed forces of other developed states--not that they always necessarily do so).

As for Israel's position: truly difficult. On the one hand, they can't sit back and not respond to attacks on their territory, but on the other responding means going after Hamas whoes milita has close connections to the locals. This means that it isn't like fighting Insurgents in Iraq or anything like that. It's very personal.

That said, the heavy bombing is over-kill. It has done way more damage and killed many more people than all the rocket attacks combined, so even as a tit-for-tat strategy--which is not really legitimate--it is too much, especially considering the already tattered state of the region. This is why people are protesting against it.

Note that few actually condemn Israel for blatent atrocities though: contrary to the beliefs of those who attribute this to moves by the all-powerful 'Jewish lobby', it is the plain fact that people understand Israel's difficult situation with regards to Palestine and the Arab world. Protest is directed not at Israelis themselves but at the IDF and especially the political aspects of the Israeli regime, which are dominated by powerful right-wing interests. This element within the regime (with much help from extremist settlers--mostly from the USA) has been responsible for the long-lasting Palestinian conflict, which has culminated in the emergence of violent extremism in the form of Hamas. (The inept Palestinian authroity and Iran's official support for Hamas doesn't help the situation.)

Most of the claims that come out of war zones are not credible and it doesn't matter which side is doin' the claiming.

Depends who's "doin' the claiming." Big difference between a war correspondent and an ignorant civilian just as there's a big difference between a professional army with very accurate intel and a bunch of fanatical rag-tag militants. People from developed countries don't have any excuse for distorting information merely for the purpose of inciting hatred.

 

[gopher]

''You sound just like Bush. ''


Will I get good rep points from the forum right wingers for that???