Just imagine - Bush is in the middle of a speech and leaves it to submissively kow tow before his puppet master.
And it's on the record!
And it's on the record!
Israel has the right to defend its people. Hamas is Iran's bouncer
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''BOTH....:icon_smile: ''
That's OK with me. Just remember that Hamas is NOT affiliated with Iran. You have mistaken it for Hezbollah.
That's OK with me. Just remember that Hamas is NOT affiliated with Iran. You have mistaken it for Hezbollah.
Sock ... all I'm telling you is the truth is NOT entirely Israel's story not is it Islam's. All you have to do is open your eyes and see it. There were few troubles in the many generations Jewish people lived side by side with their Arab neighbours. It was only when unfriendly newcomers began to arrive that distrust then hatred began to take root. Who started it? Who cares! Neither camp is big on compromise.
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That's not what I asked. Nice try though. Would you care to actually answer the question?
Here is your question:
''Do you believe Israeli politicians? A simple yes or no answer will do ''
If you want a different answer, be very specific as to whom you are referring to and which words were used.
''Do you believe Israeli politicians? A simple yes or no answer will do ''
If you want a different answer, be very specific as to whom you are referring to and which words were used.
You wrote: ''Everyone else, is lying through their eye teeth. ''
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
I figured as much. That is why I asked the question. It would appear that Gopher doesn't believe a word Olmert says unless he says something that reflects negatively on Israel....then it just has to be the gods honest truth. :lol:
It really shows how weak his position is.
For my part, I don't believe a word that comes out of any of their mouths. I don't know any of them personally so I can't vouch for their character. That and I think they are all to caught up in the history of the ME. Effective problem solving involves identifying the problem as the first step. From the Hamas charter:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
You can blame Israel if it helps you sleep at night and God knows (pun intended) they are not blameless but, unless Hamas reconsiders their core values, this will never end regardless of what Israel does or doesn't do.
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
You can blame Israel if it helps you sleep at night and God knows (pun intended) they are not blameless but, unless Hamas reconsiders their core values, this will never end regardless of what Israel does or doesn't do.
Thanx for answering my question.
My 13 year old son just asked me if you were always shallow and obtuse...;-)
''My 13 year old son just asked me if you were always shallow and obtuse''
Just tell him that I followed your example.
Just tell him that I followed your example.
''For my part, I don't believe a word that comes out of any of their mouths''
If you don't believe anything that's OK. Yet, you appear to attribute all the problems there to Hamas. I gleaned this from your words, "unless Hamas reconsiders their core values''.
Now, if Israel accepted the one state solution would you still blame Hamas?
For the record, if a vote was taken tomorrow and Israel accepted the compromise, and Hamas did not, I would condemn Hamas for their failure to accept this permanent truce.
In fact, the entire world would have no choice.
If you don't believe anything that's OK. Yet, you appear to attribute all the problems there to Hamas. I gleaned this from your words, "unless Hamas reconsiders their core values''.
Now, if Israel accepted the one state solution would you still blame Hamas?
For the record, if a vote was taken tomorrow and Israel accepted the compromise, and Hamas did not, I would condemn Hamas for their failure to accept this permanent truce.
In fact, the entire world would have no choice.
Backed By Iran, Hamas Aims to Hit Tel Aviv
Hamas Rejects Ceasefire: Is Backed by Iran
http://virtualreview.org/china/zoom/504304/backed-by-iran-hamas-aims-to-hit-tel-aviv
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Their core values being the termination of Israel and all those that occupy it. Ya, I'ld say they need to reconsider their core values.
:roll: You've been pushing this inconcievable idea since I first read your words. It was as unlikely and convuluded then as it is now. It would still end the state of Israel and place all Israelis in jeapordy, by shear demographics.
Before Israel began waging war on "Palestine", Hamas was showing their idea of compromise. You just condone that sort of behavior.
Why would they refute it? It is idiotic.
BTW, you should get a look at Jan 15 Globe and Mail and look at the opinion column that speaks about the "arab Street". The guy make a VERY good case that even the Arab gov't of Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon etc are very quietly hoping the Israerlis kick the shyte right out of Hamas.....they have come to realize the greatest threat in the region is not Israel, but Islamo-fascist organizations that are the tool of lunatic Islamist Iran. (read Hezballah and Hamas)
Funny, the Arabs have long used the unfortunate Palestinians as a stick with which to beat Israel, now they use Israel as a stick to beat Palestinians.......and Iran.