McCain, Palin insiders declare war on one another

[Praxius]

Well if the last post about her corrupt ways was the final nail in the coffin and my last post about Alaska's biggest newspaper backing Obama was the first shovel of dirt...... then this has to be the homeless guy pouring a bottle of rum on their grave......

..... after he drinks it of course.

John McCain hugs his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Thursday, Oct. 9, 2008, during a rally in Waukesha, Wis.

CTV.ca | McCain, Palin insiders declare war on one another

WASHINGTON -- Facing a deft assault by Democrats and widescale rejection by voters, John McCain and Sarah Palin are circling the wagons and firing inwards at each other with just nine days until the presidential election.

The tattered remains of their ticket were everywhere Sunday, with both McCain and Palin insiders publicly on the attack to hold the other side responsible for their candidate's woes on the campaign trail.

"She is a diva -- she takes no advice from anyone," an unnamed McCain adviser told CNN over the weekend.

"She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else ... also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."

Those close to Palin, however, say she has simply tried to break free of a McCain campaign that terribly mishandled her, making her the butt of international jokes in the process.

"The campaign as a whole bought completely into what the Washington media said -- that she's completely inexperienced," a close Palin ally told the Politico website.

"Her strategy was to be trustworthy and a team player during the convention and thereafter, but she felt completely mismanaged and mishandled and ill-advised. Recently, she's gone from relying on McCain advisers who were assigned to her to relying on her own instincts."

Palin is apparently most miffed at McCain advisers Nicolle Wallace and Steve Schmidt.

It was their decision to limit Palin's media contact to interviews with ABC's Charlie Gibson and a series of chats with CBS's Katie Couric parcelled out over several cringe-worthy days. They proved to be disastrous for both the Alaska governor personally and McCain's campaign.

Wallace sent an emailed response to several news organizations over the weekend: "If people want to throw me under the bus, my personal belief is that the most honourable thing to do is to lie there," she wrote.

In recent weeks, Palin has publicly parted ways with the McCain campaign on various fronts, leading many to speculate she is attempting to distinguish herself from the flailing Arizona senator and forge her own identity in preparation for a run for the White House in 2012.

Among them:

• She wondered in an interview with the New York Times why McCain had deemed off-limits Obama's association with his onetime pastor, the incendiary Rev. Jeremiah Wright;
• She questioned the use of so-called robocalls by the campaign, calling them annoying;
• She disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of the state of Michigan.

These and other departures from the campaign's positions have prompted one McCain insider to suggest Palin is "going rogue."

One political observer says it's no wonder.

"She should sue them for malpractice," said Sam Popkin, author of "The Reasoning Voter: Communication and Persuasion in Presidential Campaigns."

"They chose her because they needed some energy, they needed a personality, and they turned that personality into an idiot due to their hurried, ad hoc choice of her and their subsequent cluelessness on how to handle her."

Hey it's not their fault she's stupid.... it's just their fault for picking her to get the female voters.

The McCain campaign should have figured out who they wanted as their vice-presidential candidate weeks earlier and begun preparing that person for the spotlight long before they announced it, said Popkin, who teaches political science at the University of Southern California.

"No one could have handled that kind of international attention without any preparation whatsoever."

Which once again puts to question McCain's decision making abilities and spontanious actions.

But others say many of Palin's unexpected shortcomings forced the McCain campaign to keep her out of the media spotlight.

"Her lack of fundamental understanding of some key issues was dramatic," another McCain source told CNN. The source said it was probably the "hardest" to get her "up to speed than any candidate in history."

Burn.... well.... that's what Creationism Education does to ya. :lol:

Recent polls suggest Palin has been a significant drag on the Republican ticket despite being popular among the party's core supporters, with most of those surveyed saying they have no confidence she has the qualifications to be vice-president.

And one of the reasons why the core supporters support her, is because they are core supporters and would support a "Pig with Lipstick" if that was their only option. They don't do too well thinking for themselves.

She's also been dogged with scandal since joining the ticket. She was found guilty of abusing her power as governor in the so-called "Troopergate" scandal over the firing of her ex-brother-in-law, and is now facing another probe over whether she violated ethics rules in the affair.

Last week, there was more controversy when it was revealed $150,000 had been spent on clothes for Palin, a self-styled down-home "hockey mom," since late August.

Sounds like they're pretty well screwed and even if they're not, and they somehow actually win by some miracle of God, this is a sign of things to come in their administration..... two thick headed, impulsive fools who will end up bickering with one another like an old married couple and send the country further down the tube.

 

[scratch]

Well if the last post about her corrupt ways was the final nail in the coffin and my last post about Alaska's biggest newspaper backing Obama was the first shovel of dirt...... then this has to be the homeless guy pouring a bottle of rum on their grave......

..... after he drinks it of course.

John McCain hugs his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Thursday, Oct. 9, 2008, during a rally in Waukesha, Wis.

CTV.ca | McCain, Palin insiders declare war on one another



Hey it's not their fault she's stupid.... it's just their fault for picking her to get the female voters.



Which once again puts to question McCain's decision making abilities and spontanious actions.



Burn.... well.... that's what Creationism Education does to ya. :lol:



And one of the reasons why the core supporters support her, is because they are core supporters and would support a "Pig with Lipstick" if that was their only option. They don't do too well thinking for themselves.



Sounds like they're pretty well screwed and even if they're not, and they somehow actually win by some miracle of God, this is a sign of things to come in their administration..... two thick headed, impulsive fools who will end up bickering with one another like an old married couple and send the country further down the tube.

In 8 days we will know!

 

[Zzarchov]

Her point is, she isn't stupid.

Stupid people don't overthrow established order and become star governors with huge approval ratings.


The McCain Campaign though has done their best to work up her "Folksy angle" , which makes her look stupid.

They also no doubt prevent her from speaking about things (as the media complains) or speaking in anything beyond talking points they set out.


Now don't get me wrong, thats normal treatment for a VP. The Job said to be worth less than a bucket of warm spit.


But she shouldn't sit there and let the McCain campaign ruin her career either. Not only that, she is still the Governor of Alaska, she has to think about her duties there as well. "Invest Alaska, we were dumb enough to elect SNL's Sara Palin so we probably have lots of skilled workers" isn't a very catchy slogan.


While I find her views outdated and at odds with my own, I do not find her to be of poor character, not corrupt, stupid or any number of other things.


Why must one assault someones character because you don't like their views? Isn't refuting the views what matters?

 

[Praxius]

Her point is, she isn't stupid.

Naw.... she's more stupid then Dion.

Stupid people don't overthrow established order and become star governors with huge approval ratings.

Overthrow established order with total ignorance and stupidity..... star governor with the help of multi-thousand dollar collection of clothing and mooching off the female hype that came from Clinton's chances of running..... (Very original) ..... and huge approval ratings based on what? Based on who?

The McCain Campaign though has done their best to work up her "Folksy angle" , which makes her look stupid.

No, when typical and straight forward questions are presented to her by the media.... questions which every candidate has been generally asked since TV was invented, she looks stupid.

They also no doubt prevent her from speaking about things (as the media complains) or speaking in anything beyond talking points they set out.

No, they already gave her chances of speaking out about things and she made things far worse.... then they prevented her from speaking out, because she's stupid.....

but don't worry, I'm a fair person.... McCain is equally stupid.... for picking her.

Now don't get me wrong, thats normal treatment for a VP. The Job said to be worth less than a bucket of warm spit.

But she shouldn't sit there and let the McCain campaign ruin her career either. Not only that, she is still the Governor of Alaska, she has to think about her duties there as well. "Invest Alaska, we were dumb enough to elect SNL's Sara Palin so we probably have lots of skilled workers" isn't a very catchy slogan.

While I find her views outdated and at odds with my own, I do not find her to be of poor character, not corrupt, stupid or any number of other things.

Well I didn't exactly hate Dion, I figured he has a brain somewhere and may have actually cared about where this country was heading..... but when it came to winning me over and explaining his goals in a clear and straight forward manner, he blew it..... as a politician, he looked, sounded and acted like an idiot.... as a leader of the nation, that was even more scary to more then just myself.

Nobody else makes you out to be an idiot other then yourself (General Comment) And if you can't keep up, if you can't catch onto people, if you can't clearly explain yourself and half of what comes out of your mouth sounds stupid..... then chances are, you probably are stupid.

Why must one assault someones character because you don't like their views? Isn't refuting the views what matters?

If you live and practice what your views and beliefs are as one should, then they are one in the same. If you want to express your views and objectives in a way that makes you sound stupid, then perhaps those views and objectives are stupid....... which may make you seem totally stupid.

And in a situation like this, there's too much risk involved. Sure they sound dumb and stupid right now.... they may do a good job when they get into office..... but what if they don't? That's a pretty big risk to take when all the signs and proof is right in front of you that they make poor decisions and respond in a very dumb manner, only to give them office as leaders of a country...... and then they just continue their stupid ways as your first instincts told you would happen from the begining.

And we all know what they say about first impressions. They've had their chances.... lots of them.... and the more chances given, the worse they seem to get.

Now doing the math, if more chances are given, and they continually do worse and worse..... if they're given 4-8 years out of sympathy of how they were treated in the media..... then the math would say that what the world has been going through for the last 8 years is just going to get even worse....

To hell with that. Palin and McCain might be nice people to hang around with depending on if your a super christian or a war nut..... but as leaders of any nation, they're a nightmare.

 

[Zzarchov]

Seriously? You think she's stupid? She had 80% approval ratings in her home state and Im sorry, but in any major population of people, 80% aren't going to be retarded.

And when the McCain campaign started controlling her actions and making ship up, her ratings tanked to 68/70%. Still popular, but losing badly in a few months.

And the reason is simple, rather than just saying "Ya, she's a governor, her speciality is domestic policy" they say "She has foreign policy exerience, she can see Russia", and thus she now has to stick with that point. Even though its retarded and no one really believes it.

as for the $150,000 in clothes for her family for a year. I'd still like to know what the others have spent. How much has Obama (rightfully) spent for clothes for his wife and kids and himself? Those suits are 5 to 10 grande a pop or more, with his family he's probably spent 2 or 3 times what Palin has. And thats because thats whats expected of someone. He cant' show up in sweat pants and a metallica T-Shirt anymore than she can.

I can bet you if you'd let Palin speak as Palin, rather than someone they want to Shoehorn into a mold to shore up "deficiencies" she'd come off alot smarter.

Because you really don't get into high office if your stupid. Even Bush for all his dumb seeming moments really isn't stupid. He's done pretty well for himself, his priorities are just not yours.

 

[Praxius]

Seriously? You think she's stupid?

I sure do. She's about as stupid as a wind-up toy walking into a wall.

She had 80% approval ratings in her home state and Im sorry, but in any major population of people, 80% aren't going to be retarded.

Nope, they probably arn't 80% all retarded.... but what I see in your comments is that she "Had" 80% approval.

But then again, it's not all that suprising if she did have 80% approval within her own State..... that's like expecting most of Montreal to show up to the Stanley Cup finals if the Habs had a chance of winning. Usually everybody tends to root for the home town guy over anybody else..... that doesn't mean any brains are put into that support.... they just want someone from their area in office.... it could have been Satan himself with fire shooting out of his arse.... if he came from your hometown, yer gonna vote for them.... it's a bandwagon mentality.

As it goes for her current approval rating within Alaska, as of October 1st... her approval rating in Alaska has dropped from 80% to somewhere around 68%.... and reports are claiming it is still dropping the more information comes out about her corrupt ways and dumb ass mentality.

Source?

Sure....

KTUU.com | Alaska's news and information source | Palin's approval points plummet

Oh wait.... this one's more updated.... by 8 days, and she dropped to 65%..... certainly might be good by most standards, but based on a few reports I was just looking at, isn't anywhere near the highest rating of other gov. in the US.

And when the McCain campaign started controlling her actions and making ship up, her ratings tanked to 68/70%. Still popular, but losing badly in a few months.

Go even further down.

And by any other standards, 65% might still be pretty popular, but coming from your own home State? That's not all that great. And many of her blunders are from herself and what she said when she opens her mouth. You can blame McCain, or the Media, or everybody else under the sun.... hell blame me for her screw ups all you want.... it still doesn't change a thing.

She's an idiot.... and if she wanted to actually come off like she had a clue, perhaps she should have stayed home and studied a bit more on what she may have to do in the future so she could answer those questions better..... rather then wasting her time fancying up her fashion with thousands of dollars worth of clothing and jewlery.

That would have been the "Smart" thing to do..... but as I said before.... she's stupid.

And the reason is simple, rather than just saying "Ya, she's a governor, her speciality is domestic policy" they say "She has foreign policy exerience, she can see Russia", and thus she now has to stick with that point. Even though its retarded and no one really believes it.

Well she should have corrected the records and/or explained the situation better..... instead, in one interview in paticular, she was asked if it was true..... she said yes, being close to Russia gives her forign experience..... she was asked to elaborate, and she broke up and blundered like someone whacked her in the back of the head with a board...... she ran around the question and provided no logical explination, let alone one anybody could understand..... if she wasn't stupid, she should have figured out that someone was eventually going to ask her to elaborate and should have at least took a few minutes of her time to think of some sort of lie or piss poor excuse.....

but she didn't, therefore, she's stupid.

as for the $150,000 in clothes for her family for a year.

Nope... all I heard was it was $150,000 for clothes and fashionable crap just for her.... not her family.

That wouldn't make much sense to buy all that for her family only for McCain to claim it'll all be donated to Charity after the campaign..... then their kids wouldn't have any fancy clothing..... poor poor them.

But seriously, give me a break.... you're gonna try and justify to me $150,000 of clothing and fashionable crap for your entire family..... for what? Doesn't she get a normal paycheque to cover those things? I didn't know Alaskan Govonors are so hard up for cash that she needs to hit up the Republican party to cloth her poor children.

Geez, someone should call child protection. :roll:

I'd still like to know what the others have spent. How much has Obama (rightfully) spent for clothes for his wife and kids and himself? Those suits are 5 to 10 grande a pop or more, with his family he's probably spent 2 or 3 times what Palin has. And thats because thats whats expected of someone. He cant' show up in sweat pants and a metallica T-Shirt anymore than she can.

When you've been in the government for as long as both of them have, logically one would think they would already have had suits and clothing for the job in the past..... where the hell do they get off in buying $150,000 worth of new clothing..... for what? to show off?

Maybe the reason why you don't hear about Obama and his family splurging on the same crap, might be because they either A) - Paid for them theirselves out of their own pockets.... not the party's..... or B) - the costs wern't anywhere near the amount she's blown.

And don't forget, this is Palin... who used tax payer's money to cart her little spawns around to government functions they were not even invited to in the first place..... she has already shown her ability to manage money.... money not even hers..... I can certainly doubt that Obama has matched her costs.

And at least if she did show up in some ratty clothing, with her hair all pinned up, in a jersy.... people might actually believe that "Little ol Hockey Mom" BS line she keeps passing around.

The only Hockey Moms I know of who dress like that are the one's who have sons in the NHL making multi-million dollar saleries..... certainly not average.

I can bet you if you'd let Palin speak as Palin, rather than someone they want to Shoehorn into a mold to shore up "deficiencies" she'd come off alot smarter.

Yeah well she had her chance, and like Dion.... you only get one. I've heard her on and off the campaign.... talking before her nomination and after..... explaining things as she feels and sees it.... and she's pretty stupid.

Sure she might be smart running around in Alaska, and sure I might sound smart here in Nova Scotia... but when it comes to running a country and all the complexities that come with the job..... I'd do a hell of a lot better job then she would..... simply because she's more stupid, she doesn't bother to listen to people, take advice, has continually shown her selfish desires that go behind the doors of proper morality and law and bends the rules to suit what she thinks..... not what is best for those she is supposed to represent.

Why I would simply be better? The difference between a closed mind and an open mind...... The difference in knowing how to straight talk and how to bullsh*t around the question until everybody forgets what the question was...... let alone what you're talking about.

And if I beat her out on those simple things, then there's millions more people out there who can do the job better then her.

Because you really don't get into high office if your stupid. Even Bush for all his dumb seeming moments really isn't stupid. He's done pretty well for himself, his priorities are just not yours.

Just because someone is smart when it comes to knowing how to tie your shoe, doesn't relate the same way when you are put into another position that is more complex. Bush has done pretty well for himself.... he hasn't drowned in a bathtub just yet, I'll give him that.

But when you consider all the vast intelligence, advice and resources at Bush's disposal while being president, He's gotta be some damn stupid to let the country end up the way he's leaving it..... just plain dumbass stupid. Half the damn blunders he's made over the years I predicted months and even years ahead of him taking action.... that's how stupid he is. I don't have all that information and resources at my disposal, yet I figured it all out long before he ever could conjur up a brain fart.

Maybe that's the difference in his IQ and mine of 164..... I never understood the point between IQ levels, but watching bush over the last 8 years, I think I'm starting to see how those numbers translate into stupidity the lower it goes. At first I thought maybe it just tested you on what you knew/understood..... but now I see it tests just how stupid people really are..... I'm suprised it could be that simple.... that trivial.... but it has it's value I guess.

And as much as it taste like curdling sour milk chunks on the back of my touge when I say this, Bush compared to Palin..... Bush is a frigging Genius.... while Palin is a simple space monkey who opened the hatch and was never seen again.

 

[karrie]

So, they've essentially declared the fight lost and are already squabbling over whose fault it was? Wow. I won't even need to turn the on the television on the 4th. Good to know.

 

[damngrumpy]

Who put her there

Does this not question McCains judgement? She is really running for 2012 not for right now.
We have one running for President that does not understand the economy and the modern world and Ms Palin who understands nothing she can't see outside her window in Alaska.
Come to think of it, its dark there six months of the year right?
The final nail in the coffin is when the Republicans didn't come to the people with a plan for
the future direction of the country. They didn't understand, people want to be independant
in good times and they want security in bad times, and this is the nail in their coffin.
The wheels are about to come off the Republican campaign, and this will spill over into State races, for almost everything. The other problem for the Republicans is with serious losses they won't be able to mount a comeback for years. I predict it will be the biggest majority for
the Democrats since Johnson back in 1964.

 

[Kreskin]

Yet, this election is still likely to be close. I don't think these polls are necessarily accurate. Don't they have a "do not call list" in the US? If they do there are probably more Republicans on it.

 

[scratch]

Yet, this election is still likely to be close. I don't think these polls are necessarily accurate. Don't they have a "do not call list" in the US? If they do there are probably more Republicans on it.

Kreskin you krack me!

 

[fubbleskag]

Yet, this election is still likely to be close.

sad, but true.