Study: Half of U.S. doctors prescribe placebos

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Fake alcohol makes you drunk

Simply the belief that you are drinking alcohol can impair judgement and dent memory, say researchers.

According to Seema Assefi and Maryanne Garry, two psychologists at Victoria University in New Zealand, memory can be affected by an alcohol placebo.

Tests showed that participants in an experiment who were told they were drinking vodka, but were not, were more swayed by misleading information and more certain their memory was correct than those who were told they were drinking tonic water.

Dr Garry says the research has given new insights into how human memory works and how both social and non-social influences can affect a person's recall of events.

'What we have done is that we have made people's memory worse by telling them that they were intoxicated even though they had drunken nothing stronger than plain flat tonic water with limes,' he adds.

Thinking yourself tipsy

For the study, 148 students were split into two groups, half being told they were getting vodka and tonic and the rest told they were getting just tonic. In reality, all were getting just plain tonic.

The research was carried out in a bar-like room equipped with bartenders, vodka bottles, tonic bottles, and glasses.

Flat tonic water was poured from sealed vodka bottles to appear genuine. The deception was completed by rimming glasses with limes dunked in vodka.

After consuming their drinks, the students watched a sequence of slides depicting a crime. They also read a summary of the crime that contained misleading information.

'We found people who thought they were intoxicated were more suggestible and made worse eyewitnesses compared with those who thought they were sober,' Seema Assefi says.

'In fact the 'vodka and tonic' students acted drunk, some even showing physical signs of intoxication,' she adds.

Giggling girls

When told, the sober students reacted with disbelief.

'When students were told the true nature of the experiment at the completion of the study, many were amazed that they had only received plain tonic, insisting that they had felt drunk at the time,' she comments.

Dr Garry concludes: 'It showed that even thinking you've been drinking affects your behaviour.

'Even on plain tonic water, the male students flirted with Seema as she conducted the experiment and the girls giggled a lot.'

The serious point behind the research is that it demonstrates that memory is not just about filing away information like a computer does. It is what we use to understand and remember events in a social setting, such as witnessing a crime.

The research is published in Psychological Science, published by the American Psychological Association.

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Fake medicine can make you feel well too. This is the most important aspect of new age, alternative medicine and faith healing. It works because people think it works. It is a placebo.
 

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what's 'in your head' bears much more weight and effects your health much more than you realize.
 

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I think this article mistakenly gives the impression doctors aren't prescribing real drugs. The drugs are real, the doctors just doubt the drugs will cure the condition but are willing to give em a try anyways.

btw, stress doesn't cause ulcers, that's an old wives tale.
 

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I think this article mistakenly gives the impression doctors aren't prescribing real drugs. The drugs are real, the doctors just doubt the drugs will cure the condition but are willing to give em a try anyways.

That's even worse, because then your intaking medications your body doesn't need and increases the chances of side-effects or even worse...... that was my original concern..... sure wasting your money on something that doesn't work is one thing.... but wasting your money on something that could cause more harm due to being an actual drug isn't any better.

Take Oxycotton and Dilotteds (sp) here in the Maritimes.... the Valley area in paticular. Many idiot doctors wouldn't look at the symtoms and problems someone was having and they just wrote Px of these things left and right like they were candy...... now it's a big issue because a crap load of people are now addicted to them and are buying them off the streets. A few Doctors got in some serious crap over it..... but the problem still isn't solved.
 

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Take Oxycotton and Dilotteds (sp) here in the Maritimes.... the Valley area in paticular. Many idiot doctors wouldn't look at the symtoms and problems someone was having and they just wrote Px of these things left and right like they were candy...... now it's a big issue because a crap load of people are now addicted to them and are buying them off the streets. A few Doctors got in some serious crap over it..... but the problem still isn't solved.

Over across the bay, our doctors try NOT to prescribe either of those....you have to grovel pretty hard to get those here. Unless you're lucky, and have a psycho doctor who trades you a 'script in return for torching her car....I mean, never mind, that didn't happen.
 

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I have notes from five neuroimmunology books that all disagree with you.


Stress can worsen symptoms (as it does with any condition), but there is a reason treating h. pylori with antibiotics cures ulcers without changing a person's stress levels. I had to listen to this one a lot when I was diagnosed with an ulcer. "Well, you just need to stress less. If you didn't worry about things all the time your ulcer would get better on its own"... I'm a pretty low stress person already. It was a huge joke with my friends down here. One of them actually has a diagnosed anxiety disorder and I'm the one who got the ulcer:lol:

90% of ulcers are linked with H pylori. Antibiotics and proton pump inhibitors which decrease stomach acid production taken for a week or two will cure the ulcer and prevent its recurrence in almost 95% of cases. It's not a psychosomatic illness. The two doctors who discovered this bacteria actually won the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 2005 I think.

I'm a real believer in the mind body connection, but I think in some cases it's given too much credit. It doesn't serve people well to say that their condition is caused by stress when research has shown an antibiotic will fix it.
 

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Considering the horrible side effects of many medicines I think any conscientious doctor who doubted a patients claims to illness would be doing a great service to their patient by first trying a placebo.
 

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There was a local radio discussion on the subject just the other day. In the view of the doctor interviewed, this study is seriously flawed and the percentage of doctors who do this is far lower.
 

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Considering the horrible side effects of many medicines I think any conscientious doctor who doubted a patients claims to illness would be doing a great service to their patient by first trying a placebo.

Or they could do a better service by being professional and telling them straight up that there is nothing wrong with them and wasting their money on something won't do any good, and may make things worse if the doctor missed something and Px'd something that makes it worse (esspecially if they don't think anything is wrong but there is.)
 

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That's even worse, because then your intaking medications your body doesn't need and increases the chances of side-effects or even worse...... that was my original concern..... sure wasting your money on something that doesn't work is one thing.... but wasting your money on something that could cause more harm due to being an actual drug isn't any better.

Take Oxycotton and Dilotteds (sp) here in the Maritimes.... the Valley area in paticular. Many idiot doctors wouldn't look at the symtoms and problems someone was having and they just wrote Px of these things left and right like they were candy...... now it's a big issue because a crap load of people are now addicted to them and are buying them off the streets. A few Doctors got in some serious crap over it..... but the problem still isn't solved.

The drugs they speak of as placebos are not a dangerous class of drugs by any means (antibiotics, vitamins, OTC pain relievers and sedatives). They may not help, but they don't seem harmful. They are a loooooooooooooonnnnnnnggggg way off from Oxycontin and Dilaudid. I doubt many doctors would prescribe narcotics as a placebo.
 

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Or they could do a better service by being professional and telling them straight up that there is nothing wrong with them and wasting their money on something won't do any good, and may make things worse if the doctor missed something and Px'd something that makes it worse (esspecially if they don't think anything is wrong but there is.)

Most of the time that would be a good idea. There are occasions when such an appeal to good sense wouldn't work though.

I read somewhere that we'll get over our ailments naturally 80% of the time but that a doctor visit is 10% likely to make us better and 10% likely to make us more ill. I don't remember where I read that but at the time I realized this solved a great mystery for me. I had always wondered why in ancient times people visited the doctor. Presumably the chances they could heal you were a lot less than they are today, so why go? I then realized people don't go to the doctor to get better; they go for the hope the doctor provides. That hope is still the greatest medicine the doctor has to offer after penicillin and setting bones of coarse.
 

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Fake alcohol makes you drunk

Simply the belief that you are drinking alcohol can impair judgement and dent memory, say researchers.

According to Seema Assefi and Maryanne Garry, two psychologists at Victoria University in New Zealand, memory can be affected by an alcohol placebo.

Tests showed that participants in an experiment who were told they were drinking vodka, but were not, were more swayed by misleading information and more certain their memory was correct than those who were told they were drinking tonic water.

Dr Garry says the research has given new insights into how human memory works and how both social and non-social influences can affect a person's recall of events.

'What we have done is that we have made people's memory worse by telling them that they were intoxicated even though they had drunken nothing stronger than plain flat tonic water with limes,' he adds.

Thinking yourself tipsy

For the study, 148 students were split into two groups, half being told they were getting vodka and tonic and the rest told they were getting just tonic. In reality, all were getting just plain tonic.

The research was carried out in a bar-like room equipped with bartenders, vodka bottles, tonic bottles, and glasses.

Flat tonic water was poured from sealed vodka bottles to appear genuine. The deception was completed by rimming glasses with limes dunked in vodka.

After consuming their drinks, the students watched a sequence of slides depicting a crime. They also read a summary of the crime that contained misleading information.

'We found people who thought they were intoxicated were more suggestible and made worse eyewitnesses compared with those who thought they were sober,' Seema Assefi says.

'In fact the 'vodka and tonic' students acted drunk, some even showing physical signs of intoxication,' she adds.

Giggling girls

When told, the sober students reacted with disbelief.

'When students were told the true nature of the experiment at the completion of the study, many were amazed that they had only received plain tonic, insisting that they had felt drunk at the time,' she comments.

Dr Garry concludes: 'It showed that even thinking you've been drinking affects your behaviour.

'Even on plain tonic water, the male students flirted with Seema as she conducted the experiment and the girls giggled a lot.'

The serious point behind the research is that it demonstrates that memory is not just about filing away information like a computer does. It is what we use to understand and remember events in a social setting, such as witnessing a crime.

The research is published in Psychological Science, published by the American Psychological Association.

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Fake medicine can make you feel well too. This is the most important aspect of new age, alternative medicine and faith healing. It works because people think it works. It is a placebo.


your mind makes you drunk.
My wife and I had a party once, the 1st drink I gave her was a rum n coke,after that, it was coke all night. She was paraletic, took 2 of us to carry her to bed.
She didnt believe me when I told her, but I had a couple of witnesses to back me.
There have been times when I can fall flat on my face after 6 beers and other times when I have consumed more than a case of beer and still been pretty well sober....tis a state of mind......have a few drinks when you're pissed off and see what happens.

Maybe some of these docs have a conscience and prescribe placebos for someones perceived ailment, when a phamaracuetical drunk isnt required and/or could do damage. the mind is a powerful thing if used correctly.